105 mins and a substantial meal, my arse

Their first wave never really ended. They just ploughed on with the pure stupidity and ignorance that some would like us to do here.

rob316

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Remember when the UK opened pubs (2 months ago). Super Saturday they called it. There were clips of tons of drinkers out on a street in London after closing. People were pissing themselves saying there will be a second wave.

Was there a 2nd wave? Nope.

Black Lives Matter protests? Remember when everyone said it was like Spanish Flu all over, the 2nd wave would be worse than the 1st.

Girl I know went for a half naked swim in the fountain in the city centre last christmas after a night out. She shared the video of killarney on FB with the comment "absolute disgrace".

It's sad how we are turning on people for having fun.

The government must be so relieved that people are so stupid.

Hardly anyone putting pressure on them about the continuing outbreaks in meat factories.
Hardly anyone questioning why we didn't do more to keep Covid out of the one place were it is very dangerous - Nursing homes
Hardly anyone pressing them about flights coming in from the US and the fact it is almost optional to isolate.

Instead people are focusing on house parties and recording some teenagers causing trouble.

If only we bothered focusing on the areas actually causing issues.

rob316

Molly Hissing Baton wrote: »

Their first wave never really ended. They just ploughed on with the pure stupidity and ignorance that some would like us to do here.

We were told we need to flatten the curve we did. We stayed locked in our homes from the 28th March to May 18th. We are told we have to live with the virus, which we are doing.

50 people have a song and dance on the streets of killarney and its "we need a lock down again"

rob316

Deleted User wrote: »

The government must be so relieved that people are so stupid.

Hardly anyone putting pressure on them about the continuing outbreaks in meat factories.
Hardly anyone questioning why we didn't do more to keep Covid out of the one place were it is very dangerous - Nursing homes
Hardly anyone pressing them about flights coming in from the US and the fact it is almost optional to isolate.

Instead people are focusing on house parties and recording some teenagers causing trouble.

If only we bothered focusing on the areas actually causing issues.

That's the hysteria and paranoia.

That bloke who danced on the box in his jocks, will be hounded out of his job for just been a drunken idiot.

un5byh7sqpd2x0

niallo27 wrote: »

All my grandparents are dead, am i technically allowed have the craic so, that i cant kill my granny.

No, because you might kill someone else’s granny instead

Padre_Pio

Rylie Limited Riverside wrote: »

No, because you might kill someone else’s granny instead

Someone else's granny should be taking the appropriate measures so they don't get the virus.

Someone who has regular contact with at risk people should be taking appropriate steps.

SAMTALK

The attitude of people amazes me more and more every day.

Someone in this thread said we did as we were asked during 1st lockdown but not anymore.

Do people think the government are making this up ? Do they think the virus was going to magically disappear after 1st lockdown ?

Now it's a case of I've done my bit now back to normal for me. The guys involve in Golfgate broke regulations so I'm going to do as I like .

Pathetic attitude and if people cannot see that the government / HSE are trying to prevent the winter months becoming uncontrollable with hospital admissions then I despair

Padre_Pio

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Someone else's granny should be taking the appropriate measures so they don't get the virus.

Someone who has regular contact with at risk people should be taking appropriate steps.

Everyone should be taking appropriate steps, whether they are in contact with at risk people or not.

While someone may not be directly in contact with at risk people, that doesn't mean they won't infect someone else, who then goes home an infects their granny.

Its not rocket science.

greenspurs

30,000 people die on average in Ireland annually.

Last year 421 people dies by taking their own lives.

So far (according to the HSE) there has been 1777 COVID RELATED deaths (not the same as dying DUE TO covid)

29,000 people have been infected/tested positive for covid 19.

relax people.

Padre_Pio

SAMTALK wrote: »

The attitude of people amazes me more and more every day.

Someone in this thread said we did as we were asked during 1st lockdown but not anymore.

Do people think the government are making this up ? Do they think the virus was going to magically disappear after 1st lockdown ?

It's not going to disappear no matter what we do, but it's far more manageable now, based on the figures coming out of every European country.
Infection levels and deaths are minuscule now compared to March.
We'll keep doing our bit, but vilifying people who are enjoying themselves is a step too far.

Some posters are calling for fines and jail time FFS.

SAMTALK wrote: »

Now it's a case of I've done my bit now back to normal for me. The guys involve in Golfgate broke regulations so I'm going to do as I like .

Pathetic attitude and if people cannot see that the government / HSE are trying to prevent the winter months becoming uncontrollable with hospital admissions then I despair

There's no evidence that says Winter will be uncontrollable. Its Winter in the southern hemisphere now and they're not seeing runaway case figures, why would we?

SAMTALK

Padre_Pio wrote: »

It's not going to disappear no matter what we do, but it's far more manageable now, based on the figures coming out of every European country.
Infection levels and deaths are minuscule now compared to March.
We'll keep doing our bit, but vilifying people who are enjoying themselves is a step too far.

Some posters are calling for fines and jail time FFS.


There's no evidence that says Winter will be uncontrollable. Its Winter in the southern hemisphere now and they're not seeing runaway case figures, why would we?

I agree the calling for fines / jail time is going too far but at the same time scenes like this are not helping when people are trying to do whats best for the country.

The truth is there is a lot of unknown about this virus and as we know we dont have the best hospital set ups at the best of times.

GhostyMcGhost

Padre_Pio wrote: »

We'll keep doing our bit, but vilifying people who are enjoying themselves is a step too far.

Enjoing themselves? Is that what we're calling it now? ....I've said it already but i'll say it again, you can enjoy yourself without being an irresponsible arsehole

Climbing up phone boxes etc is not having fun, it's being a gob****e. Doing it in a pandemic, is being an even bigger gob****e

Letting them "enjoy themselves" means that this whole charade is made longer for everyone. Society turning on those clowns is not vilification, it's society saying to them, "you know what, grow up. This behaviour is not acceptable in the current situation" ...

Go to the pub, have a drink, chat with your friends, no problem going out and socialising ... but that behaviour is just not acceptable with everything going on

GhostyMcGhost

GhostyMcGhost wrote: »

..........

Go to the pub restaurant, have a drink with your meal, chat with your friends, no problem going out and socialising ... but that behaviour is just not acceptable with everything going on

greenspurs

GhostyMcGhost wrote: »

Enjoing themselves? Is that what we're calling it now? ....I've said it already but i'll say it again, you can enjoy yourself without being an irresponsible arsehole

Climbing up phone boxes etc is not having fun, it's being a gob****e. Doing it in a pandemic, is being an even bigger gob****e

Letting them "enjoy themselves" means that this whole charade is made longer for everyone. Society turning on those clowns is not vilification, it's society saying to them, "you know what, grow up. This behaviour is not acceptable in the current situation" ...

Go to the pub, have a drink, chat with your friends, no problem going out and socialising ... but that behaviour is just not acceptable with everything going on

is it just the climbing on the phonebox that you are so enraged about ?

You do realise you are 'still at risk' by even just going to the pub , having a drink etc etc ….

If you are that paranoid and hysterical about it …

niallo27

SAMTALK wrote: »

The attitude of people amazes me more and more every day.

Someone in this thread said we did as we were asked during 1st lockdown but not anymore.

Do people think the government are making this up ? Do they think the virus was going to magically disappear after 1st lockdown ?

Now it's a case of I've done my bit now back to normal for me. The guys involve in Golfgate broke regulations so I'm going to do as I like .

Pathetic attitude and if people cannot see that the government / HSE are trying to prevent the winter months becoming uncontrollable with hospital admissions then I despair

Why does every other government in europe not think the same as us with regards opening of pubs, are every other government not thinking of the winter months as well.

greenspurs

greenspurs wrote: »

So far (according to the HSE) there has been 1777 COVID RELATED deaths (not the same as dying DUE TO covid)

29,000 people have been infected/tested positive for covid 19.

relax people.

I wasn't going to say anything, but I really can't let this go.

This really is an incredibly hurtful and insensitive thing to post about those who have died, and for their families to read.

I can assure you, my Mother's death certificate does not say her death was "covid related". It says cause of death, Covid19.

The HSE SCOPI research also estimates that the number of infected is more than double that figure. Which means the chances of an at risk person coming into contact with an infected person is much higher.

But sure, once the pubs are open, I guess you think its fine.

NegativeCreep

We did our bit when the virus was out of control. It’s in control now and feck all deaths any more. People should be allowed to enjoy themselves after being on lockdown all summer. The disease is here to stay. If people get outraged at every social gathering that occurs from now until a vaccine, sales of blood pressure medication will be through the roof.

We locked down to flatten the curve, not eradicate the virus.

breezy1985

The issue is the curve can unflatten again very quickly

NegativeCreep

NegativeCreep wrote: »

We did our bit when the virus was out of control. It’s in control now and feck all deaths any more. People should be allowed to enjoy themselves after being on lockdown all summer. The disease is here to stay. If people get outraged at every social gathering that occurs from now until a vaccine, sales of blood pressure medication will be through the roof.

We locked down to flatten the curve, not eradicate the virus.

And it can get out of control again in a heart beat which is why many don’t want the schools opening it as it could be serious petrol on the fire.

We are already too open as we are imo and should be holding things much tighter. People sicken me their whole “people should be allowed enjoy themselves” why? Keeping the virus at bay is more important, it’s like staying at home is hard, it’s not it’s easy. Look at all the people who found the lockdown a very positive experience (id count myself in that camp). It has accelerated the move to work from home which is a massive advantage for the majority and people were very happy working away during the lockdown, no commute, no having to go places just spend time at home, relax, time with family, bbq and beer in the lovely weather etc etc.

NegativeCreep

breezy1985 wrote: »

The issue is the curve can unflatten again very quickly

Hasn’t been happening in the rest of Europe though

DebDynamite

Molly Hissing Baton wrote: »

And it can get out of control again in a heart beat which is why many don’t want the schools opening it as it could be serious petrol on the fire.

We are already too open as we are imo and should be holding things much tighter. People sicken me their whole “people should be allowed enjoy themselves” why? Keeping the virus at bay is more important, it’s like staying at home is hard, it’s not it’s easy. Look at all the people who found the lockdown a very positive experience (id count myself in that camp). It has accelerated the move to work from home which is a massive advantage for the majority and people were very happy working away during the lockdown, no commute, no having to go places just spend time at home, relax, time with family, bbq and beer in the lovely weather etc etc.

Why would you say we’re already too open when we’ve gone 8 days without a death, ICU cases have been static hovering around 5 patients, and we’ve barely gone over 30 hospitalisations. How many phases would you like to see us go back?

rob316

Molly Hissing Baton wrote: »

And it can get out of control again in a heart beat which is why many don’t want the schools opening it as it could be serious petrol on the fire.

We are already too open as we are imo and should be holding things much tighter. People sicken me their whole “people should be allowed enjoy themselves” why? Keeping the virus at bay is more important, it’s like staying at home is hard, it’s not it’s easy. Look at all the people who found the lockdown a very positive experience (id count myself in that camp). It has accelerated the move to work from home which is a massive advantage for the majority and people were very happy working away during the lockdown, no commute, no having to go places just spend time at home, relax, time with family, bbq and beer in the lovely weather etc etc.

Too open? We are one of the most restricted countries in Europe still.
Staying at home isn't easy for young people, or do you forget what is was like to be young?

A positive experience? Not for me anyway, its not something I ever want to experience again. Going out meeting friends, going to the gym, going shopping. All things I missed. What if you can't work from home? Or your business was shut?
There was nothing positive about the lockdown.

NegativeCreep

DebDynamite wrote: »

Why would you say we’re already too open when we’ve gone 8 days without a death, ICU cases have been static hovering around 5 patients, and we’ve barely gone over 30 hospitalisations. How many phases would you like to see us go back?

Lockdown suits people, like they said. It doesn’t effect them so to hell with everyone else. It’s selfish, the same type of selfishness they accuse others of having when they want to go out.

niallo27

Molly Hissing Baton wrote: »

And it can get out of control again in a heart beat which is why many don’t want the schools opening it as it could be serious petrol on the fire.

We are already too open as we are imo and should be holding things much tighter. People sicken me their whole “people should be allowed enjoy themselves” why? Keeping the virus at bay is more important, it’s like staying at home is hard, it’s not it’s easy. Look at all the people who found the lockdown a very positive experience (id count myself in that camp). It has accelerated the move to work from home which is a massive advantage for the majority and people were very happy working away during the lockdown, no commute, no having to go places just spend time at home, relax, time with family, bbq and beer in the lovely weather etc etc.

What a selfish attitude, as long as your happy and it suits you, **** everyone else. What about the tens of thousands out of work.

DebDynamite

DebDynamite wrote: »

Why would you say we’re already too open when we’ve gone 8 days without a death, ICU cases have been static hovering around 5 patients, and we’ve barely gone over 30 hospitalisations. How many phases would you like to see us go back?

The real answer is that I would have done the whole opening up very differently so by now we may even be more open than we are now if the virus was all but supressed. I would have maintained the hard 2km lockdown for much longer, at least another month and then assess the numbers but likely even longer this coupled with closing airports and ports at the very start of the lockdown and maintaining it indefinitely. Doing this I would expect us to be having days without a single case by now not over 100 many days as we are. Opening up the country even more than it is but keeping airports closed would be a very real possibility using the plan I outlined above. Shorter harder lockdowns are much better than prolonged half hearted ones.

Having let the horse bolt as we have and in an attempt to recover things I would close all restaurants and other social things again, schools would remain closed and stronger rules to stop public gatherings. I would close hotels to stop people staycationing and spreading virus around and introduce large fines for people in holding or attending house parties etc.

rob316 wrote: »

A positive experience? Not for me anyway, its not something I ever want to experience again. Going out meeting friends, going to the gym, going shopping. All things I missed. What if you can't work from home? Or your business was shut?
There was nothing positive about the lockdown.

There are a lot of people who found it positive, there is another thread started asking how are people dealing with the "boredom" but you will see many of the responses are in fact commenting on how the whole thing was a positive period for them and their family.

niallo27 wrote: »

What a selfish attitude, as long as your happy and it suits you, **** everyone else. What about the tens of thousands out of work.

Hilarious really coming from the people calling for everything to get back to "normal" and **** everyone else and who cares if people die from a deadly virus :rolleyes:. You couldn't make it up.

ShyMets

Molly Hissing Baton wrote: »

The real answer is that I would have done the whole opening up very differently so by now we may even be more open than we are now if the virus was all but supressed. I would have maintained the hard 2km lockdown for much longer, at least another month and then assess the numbers but likely even longer this coupled with closing airports and ports at the very start of the lockdown and maintaining it indefinitely. Doing this I would expect us to be having days without a single case by now not over 100 many days as we are. Opening up the country even more than it is but keeping airports closed would be a very real possibility using the plan I outlined above. Shorter harder lockdowns are much better than prolonged half hearted ones.

Having let the horse bolt as we have and in an attempt to recover things I would close all restaurants and other social things again, schools would remain closed and stronger rules to stop public gatherings. I would close hotels to stop people staycationing and spreading virus around and introduce large fines for people in holding or attending house parties etc.



There are a lot of people who found it positive, there is another thread started asking how are people dealing with the "boredom" but you will see many of the responses are in fact commenting on how the whole thing was a positive period for them and their family.



Hilarious really coming from the people calling for everything to get back to "normal" and **** everyone else and who cares if people die from a deadly virus :rolleyes:. You couldn't make it up.

So in essence. You would keep the country in lock down until we have a vaccine or effective treatment.

I'm sorry, that approach is just crazy. Its economic suicide. And yes, I know that sounds cold but we need a functioning economy to fund the Health System.

By the way I don't disagree with some of your points. I believe the days of everyone having to be in the office 5 days a week is over and that's not a bad thing.

But there needs to be a balanced approach. We can't expect people just to sit in there houses until this passes

ShyMets

ShyMets wrote: »

So in essence. You would keep the country in lock down until we have a vaccine or effective treatment.

.................

Such a strategy isn't at all workable.
Even with a vaccine we shall be social distancing and wearing masks until it's rolled out across the country.

Treatments will likely be beneficial to those who are quite ill and in hospital so we won't just all go back to normal when there's a treatment either IMO as the hospitals won't have capacity.

We are going to have to potter on much as we are and hopefully folk will continue to play their part in reducing the spread.

We are doing very well it has to be said, far from perfect no doubt.

Richard Hillman

The curve was never flattened. It just spiked despite lockdown. The 2nd waves are from countries that tried to suppress the virus by shuting the borders,and they are getting for what their waves should have been.

Spain is a bit of an outlier. Although they went on a very extreme lockdown with the virus rampant in certain regions. Then when they opened up, the other regions got it. There are very little hospitalisations in places like Madrid.

It's over folks. It has weakened. Herd immunity doesn't just happen when it reaches a certain percentage. It's a gradual thing. We are at the stage where people are not dieing anymore but will feel unwell.

MrStuffins

Richard Hillman wrote: »

It's over folks. It has weakened. Herd immunity doesn't just happen when it reaches a certain percentage. It's a gradual thing. We are at the stage where people are not dieing anymore but will feel unwell.

If this is true, and I hope it is, what an amazing job the Irish Govt. have done in keeping us safe and protecting the vulnerable from this.

It would be great if we could get back to normal soon, but not too soon of course. Nobody wants more people to die due to this.