Wokeism of the day *Revised Mod Note in OP and threadbanned users*

anewme

Im not sure people are being totally transparent here with this story.

I had a look at the piece on the Guardian for it. it claims this rightwing writer incited hatred and made false claims and falsely edit videos.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/mar/10/winston-marshall-break-mumford-and-sons-rightwing-commentator-andy-ngo

What I do find extremely 2 faced is the rest of the Band - having been aligned to that Petersen guy, they are now turning turk on one of them. They more than likely share the same views. Money talks though and he who pays the piper calls the tune.

WrenBoy

Also he has to live with the fact that he is a grown man who has no principles and his beliefs are dependent on what other people tell him they are.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Turquoise Hexagon Sun wrote: »

I read this in the news this morning. I mean, come on.. a book on Antifa written by a journalist that was attacked by them. An Asian minority journalist at that, if we care about identity politics (which I don't but they do).

The thing is, the fact that he (NGO) identifies as conservative is like he's "literally Hitler" in their eyes. The issue is that conservatism for these people isn't just having a different mindset or view on things, it means you are inherent "ist" in their eyes.

Incredibly one of my own family members thought Antifa got a bad rap. Why? Cause he consumes mainstream publications a lot that for some reason are really sympathetic to those destructive and violent larpers that want to see the destruction of western civilisation.

I'm left-leaning on most issues but I don't have a hissy fit when I meet people with conservative views. It's just a different mindset. But making this guy go off a reeducate himself for wrongthink is deplorable and ridiculous.

NEVER apologise for reading a book and trying to educate yourself, ffs. And now people have to hide their views because the irony is that we're heading in to another culturally conservative era that if you say something a bit different you get cancelled by a loud vocal minority of censorious new-conservative fascistic loonies that will come after you if you don't agree with their views. Insane!

That's the problem, reversed.

I'm totally with you, but there have been plenty of incidents - even on this thread - where people have used the word "liberal" ad an insult when they see anything left-leaning.

One particular poster stands out - it's like liberal and antifa are the same thing to him.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Would YOU say that you were being racist?

Good point. No I wouldn't.

But to be fair, I wouldn't say I am what I am regularly accused of being here.

But I see your point.

statesaver

https://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1369458273557098502

TomTomTim

I think I preferred old school authoritarianism, where people went along with whatever their leader wanted purely out of fear of legal consequences, where the people were genuinely oppressed from above. In the modern world our authoritarianism is self imposed, it's done by the people for the supposed good of the people. To me, this a far scarier concept than the former, as there's no need for oppressive laws or a dictator, yet the outcome is much the same.

Salvation Tambourine

I'm left-leaning on most issues but I don't have a hissy fit when I meet people with conservative views

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

That's the problem, reversed.

I'm totally with you, but there have been plenty of incidents - even on this thread - where people have used the word "liberal" ad an insult when they see anything left-leaning.
.

If all liberal and conservative leaning people adopted the above everything would be so much better. I think at least 90% of people do, it's the 10% that shout loudest though.

Turquoise Hexagon Sun

anewme wrote: »

Im not sure people are being totally transparent here with this story.

I had a look at the piece on the Guardian for it. it claims this rightwing writer incited hatred and made false claims and falsely edit videos.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/mar/10/winston-marshall-break-mumford-and-sons-rightwing-commentator-andy-ngo

What I do find extremely 2 faced is the rest of the Band - having been aligned to that Petersen guy, they are now turning turk on one of them. They more than likely share the same views. Money talks though and he who pays the piper calls the tune.

This is why I'll never read The Guardian or most mainstream articles. The level of sensationalism and bias is incredible.

Ngo is a conservative journalist. In 2019, Jacobin magazine described him as “the most dangerous grifter in America” for what they regarded as attempts to incite harassment against left-wing protestors in part through the spread of false claims and selectively edited videos. In a review, the LA Times described Unmasked as “supremely dishonest”.

- The Guardian

Look at the choices of quotes they use to frame this guy. Andy Ngo is a harmless moderate/conservative at worst.

And as someone that got the **** beaten out of him by Antifa and doxxed by them, I think he's entitled to report on them. Of course The Guardian will skim over that.

https://youtu.be/aC4u1zo6OpQ

anewme

I dont know who's who, liberal etc, to be honest.

It was reported in The Independemt as well

Turquoise Hexagon Sun

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

That's the problem, reversed.

I'm totally with you, but there have been plenty of incidents - even on this thread - where people have used the word "liberal" ad an insult when they see anything left-leaning.

One particular poster stands out - it's like liberal and antifa are the same thing to him.

Absolutely agree. If you look at the extremists on both ends, the most vocal, each think the extreme tips represent the rest of us. Not true! We have to stop letting the vocal extremists dictate the narrative.

Radical centrists unite! :P

MisterAnarchy

anewme wrote: »

Im not sure people are being totally transparent here with this story.

I had a look at the piece on the Guardian for it. it claims this rightwing writer incited hatred and made false claims and falsely edit videos.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/mar/10/winston-marshall-break-mumford-and-sons-rightwing-commentator-andy-ngo

What I do find extremely 2 faced is the rest of the Band - having been aligned to that Petersen guy, they are now turning turk on one of them. They more than likely share the same views. Money talks though and he who pays the piper calls the tune.

Ngo was one of the few writers/journalists that covered Antifas activities last year.
He uploaded lots of videos of their violence, racism, and attacks.
This is an organisation along with BLM that caused 2bn dollars worth of damage across America last year.

The MSM didnt want to cover these mostly peaceful protests.
The Democrats fundraised to bail these hoodlums out of jail so that they could reoffend.

People tried to ban his book which made the New York Times bestseller list.

Once Antifa and BLM had served their purpose and Biden was in power, everything must be swept under the carpet.

That Petersen guy.....

The Guardian is an absolute rag.

Look at the other articles written by that journalist this month

Britney Spears: congressmen demand hearing on use of conservatorships

Women fell back in race for inclusion in 2020 pop charts

Ian Brown pulls out of music festival over Covid vaccination row

St Vincent: ‘I’d been feral for so long. I was sort of in outer space’

Taylor Swift rebukes Netflix over 'deeply sexist' joke about her love life

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Nokotan wrote: »

If all liberal and conservative leaning people adopted the above everything would be so much better. I think at least 90% of people do, it's the 10% that shout loudest though.

It's the people that go for the fringe and extremist or "alt" degrees. Moderates on both side are fine.

The further you go from center, the more rationale becomes hysteria and ignorance and then oppression.

Invidious

anewme wrote: »

Im not sure people are being totally transparent here with this story.

I had a look at the piece on the Guardian for it. it claims this rightwing writer incited hatred and made false claims and falsely edit videos.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/mar/10/winston-marshall-break-mumford-and-sons-rightwing-commentator-andy-ngo

What I do find extremely 2 faced is the rest of the Band - having been aligned to that Petersen guy, they are now turning turk on one of them. They more than likely share the same views. Money talks though and he who pays the piper calls the tune.

Andy Ngo and Jordan Peterson both articulate reasonable points of view that should be heard. Ngo's arguments about Antifa — a lawless group that uses violence, threats, intimidation, and destruction to achieve its goals — are sound and timely. Peterson has made numerous good arguments on issues ranging from preferred pronouns to the so-called gender pay gap. He is a tenured professor at a respected Canadian university.

It's now a common tactic for people to dismiss points of view they don't like as "divisive" and "far right." Antifa is trying to prevent people from buying Ngo's book and punishing others for reading it. Employees at Peterson's publisher tried to have his most recent book cancelled before it came out. This is beginning to resemble Soviet totalitarianism, where only officially approved viewpoints can be discussed.

Sir Oxman

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

One of the members of mumford and sons, Winston Marshall had posted a picture of the book by a US journalist Andy Ngo, “Unmasked: Inside Antifa’s Radical Plan to Destroy Democracy”, which seemed too have successfully exposed the relentless violent mob, aka Antifa, who have been trying to get Ngos book banned through various means. The comical thing about this situation is, does his retraction of the "endorsement" serve as approval for hateful, divisive, and violent behavior by Antifa than his original maybe unintended endorsement? It really says alot about society today...He read a book.....


bjl

Perfect example of a hugely cowardly, abject failure of a human being.
Perfect example of how a new breed of authoritarian, sanctimonious, mouthbreathing gickholes work the circuit.

anewme

Invidious wrote: »

Andy Ngo and Jordan Peterson both articulate reasonable points of view that should be heard. Ngo's arguments about Antifa — a lawless group that uses violence, threats, intimidation, and destruction to achieve its goals — are sound and timely. Peterson has made numerous good arguments on issues ranging from preferred pronouns to the so-called gender pay gap. He is a tenured professor at a respected Canadian university.

It's now a common tactic for people to dismiss points of view they don't like as "divisive" and "far right." Antifa is trying to prevent people from buying Ngo's book and punishing others for reading it. Employees at Peterson's publisher tried to have his most recent book cancelled before it came out. This is beginning to resemble Soviet totalitarianism, where only officially approved viewpoints can be discussed.

I'm not well upon American politics whatsoever.

I have never heard of NGO before.

I have heard of Peterson, would not have much time for his way of thinking. Seems like someone hankering after the past.

keano_afc

In a move that will shock absolutely nobody, Reddit ban r/SuperStraight.

Ash.J.Williams

she's not even black

kildare lad

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

she's not even black

Most of them aren't black .

silverharp

keano_afc wrote: »

In a move that will shock absolutely nobody, Reddit ban r/SuperStraight.

the SSLGBTQI community shouldnt stand for this

kildare lad

Turquoise Hexagon Sun wrote: »

This is why I'll never read The Guardian or most mainstream articles. The level of sensationalism and bias is incredible.

- The Guardian

Look at the choices of quotes they use to frame this guy. Andy Ngo is a harmless moderate/conservative at worst.

And as someone that got the **** beaten out of him by Antifa and doxxed by them, I think he's entitled to report on them. Of course The Guardian will skim over that.

https://youtu.be/aC4u1zo6OpQ

I've followed Andy ngo on twitter and he does come from a more conservative angle but not far right . If I was in America I'd agree with his views more so than the people he's reporting on. I don't know how you can look at his page and think he's this " hitler " that the woke media try and portray him as . The people in Antifa he reports on are not left wing protestors, they're anarchists.

They smashed up the democratic offices the night biden got elected. They burned out trucks that deliver food for children in school the other day They've been continually vandalizing businesses and attacking cops in Portland for the last year . The cops arrests them and the justice system let's them go . Then you've morons criticizing his reporting on it as facism. While giving the people doing all the destruction a pass because they were against trump.

MisterAnarchy

kildare lad wrote: »

I've followed Andy ngo on twitter and he does come from a more conservative angle but not far right . If I was in America I'd agree with his views more so than the people he's reporting on. I don't know how you can look at his page and think he's this " hitler " that the woke media try and portray him as . The people in Antifa he reports on are not left wing protestors, they're anarchists.

It seems if you oppose Antifa you are far right now.
Does that make Antifa the centrist position ?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/bizarre/14276503/mumford-sons-kick-winston-marshall-out-tweet/

A source close to the band said: “Winston’s staunchly right wing political views have been causing tension for some time now within the band.

“There has been a rift forming for the past four years with some people even going as far to say he has been ‘radicalised’.

Radicalised, lol , we live in the age of hypocrisy.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

silverharp wrote: »

the SSLGBTQI community shouldnt stand for this

YOu mean the SSKKK

silverharp

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

It seems if you oppose Antifa you are far right now.
Does that make Antifa the centrist position ?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/bizarre/14276503/mumford-sons-kick-winston-marshall-out-tweet/


Radicalised, lol , we live in the age of hypocrisy.

reminds me of this meme

MisterAnarchy

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

It seems if you oppose Antifa you are far right now.
Does that make Antifa the centrist position ?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/bizarre/14276503/mumford-sons-kick-winston-marshall-out-tweet/


Radicalised, lol , we live in the age of hypocrisy.

Just downloaded Ngo's audio book there. Only a chapter in but it's quite the interesting read/listen.

Highly recommended

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

It seems if you oppose Antifa you are far right now.
Does that make Antifa the centrist position ?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/bizarre/14276503/mumford-sons-kick-winston-marshall-out-tweet/

By the standards of the Sun, yes - absolutely. What's changed?

Invidious

anewme wrote: »

I have heard of Peterson, would not have much time for his way of thinking. Seems like someone hankering after the past.

Not so much someone "hankering after the past" as someone warning about what the dangerous excesses of identity politics, radical feminism, and political correctness are doing to our society.

I have no time for numerous woke progressive thinkers, but as an old-fashioned liberal I still support their right to express and debate their ideas. But the effort that has been invested into trying to cancel Peterson, Ngo, and anyone else who disagrees with the woke priesthood is truly extraordinary.

They are the new heretics that must be burned at the stake.

CarProblem

https://twitter.com/MartinSLewis/status/1369064993078018049

Saw that this morning. While I've never heard of the man, 1.1m followers suggests he's well known / high profile

On one hand I'm thinking he shouldn't give in to the mob, on the other for him and others attacked there's probably a case of "why bother, you can't win". The 2nd option is understandable but it's a sad state of affairs

keano_afc

CarProblem wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MartinSLewis/status/1369064993078018049

Saw that this morning. While I've never heard of the man, 1.1m followers suggests he's well known / high profile

On one hand I'm thinking he shouldn't give in to the mob, on the other for him and others attacked there's probably a case of "why bother, you can't win". The 2nd option is understandable but it's a sad state of affairs

I'm unsure which is the most spinless, pathetic tweet; this one or the Mumford and Sons "apology".

MisterAnarchy

keano_afc wrote: »

I'm unsure which is the most spinless, pathetic tweet; this one or the Mumford and Sons "apology".

Its setting a dangerous precedent when a man like Martin Lewis has to delete a tweet because one of his 1.1m followers is upset.

Even 1 unwittingly upset is too many. So I've deleted.

This is a man who set up Moneysavingexpert.com and has been a consumer rights and financial rights activist .
He launched and funded the Money and Mental Health Policy Institute.
He was appointed an Officer of the Order of the British Empire (OBE) in the 2014 Birthday Honours for services to consumer rights and to charitable services.

Certain people, the perpetually outraged are just intent on stirring up trouble and conflict.

MisterAnarchy

https://twitter.com/DouglasKMurray/status/1369667393962840069

statesaver

CarProblem wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MartinSLewis/status/1369064993078018049

Saw that this morning. While I've never heard of the man, 1.1m followers suggests he's well known / high profile

On one hand I'm thinking he shouldn't give in to the mob, on the other for him and others attacked there's probably a case of "why bother, you can't win". The 2nd option is understandable but it's a sad state of affairs

No room for humour anymore.

Invidious

Invidious wrote: »

Not so much someone "hankering after the past" as someone warning about what the dangerous excesses of identity politics, radical feminism, and political correctness are doing to our society.

Agreed. I don't particularly like JP, but I do appreciate the work he's done to give structure (and voice) to what's been happening with regards to feminism, identity politics, in society. It's amazing how much effort has been made to silence anyone who opposes the woke movement.

More importantly, he's encouraging people to not meekly stand by, while these initiatives become established, and therefore harder to remove later. If he's "hankering after the past", then he's hankering for a time when there was common sense and far few applications of double standards.

1800_Ladladlad

‘Mumford & Sons’ Guitarist Steps Away From Band For Promoting Book From Conservative Reporter



mknjbh

Sir Oxman

CarProblem wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MartinSLewis/status/1369064993078018049

Saw that this morning. While I've never heard of the man, 1.1m followers suggests he's well known / high profile

On one hand I'm thinking he shouldn't give in to the mob, on the other for him and others attacked there's probably a case of "why bother, you can't win". The 2nd option is understandable but it's a sad state of affairs

He's a weak, weak human being.

Sir Oxman

Progress! Idiot stylee.
Socio-economic class/poverty - forget that!



https://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1369653330205683715

ingalway

At last, a Green politician in the UK has taken a stance on gender politics and has resigned from the Party, giving very clear reasons why:
https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/statement-by-dom-armstrong-ex-green?r=1nhrr&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&utm_source=copy

biko

Little girls are also kinky...



Apparently all OK with Twitter

A tweet with an image of trans activist and writer Alok Vaid-Menon alongside a very predatory tweet is trending on Twitter.

Instead of deleting the offending tweet they are banning anyone who challenges it.

https://www.sausageroll.com.au/tech/twitter-defends-gross-little-girls-are-kinky-tweet-by-alok-vaid-menon/

I couldn't find the tweet now, maybe they did delete it after all.

ingalway

More Trans wisdom for your contemplation:


"The asshole is a universal vagina through which femaleness can always be accessed"

"The idea that being seen as a 'sex object' is universally a bad thing is too simple, like many tenets of feminism"

biko

biko wrote: »

Little girls are also kinky...
.

I dunno what the acceptable standards are but that's just extremely messed up. No, seriously warped.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Deleted User wrote: »

I dunno what the acceptable standards are but that's just extremely messed up. No, seriously warped.

It's not the fact that kids can or can't be kinky (I certainly was), it's the idea that kids being messed around with in bathrooms is something people just have to "deal" with, or is the kid's fault.

Rothko

biko wrote: »

Little girls are also kinky...

That is sick

biko

Idiots like this guy ruins it for the regular transgender people that just want to live a happier life.

Danzy

Cordell wrote: »

If only white privilege existed.
But since it doesn't, royal families are a perfect example of being born into wealth and power privilege of various colours.

They used be called out for class privilege but as most Progressives, modern Left are middle class and up, class politics had to go.

stefanovich

Danzy wrote: »

They used be called out for class privilege but as most Progressives, modern Left are middle class and up, class politics had to go.

*Poor people are all racists anyway. Why should they help them?

*This is sarcasm, don't ban me

Ri_Nollaig

biko wrote: »

Little girls are also kinky...

is that an actual real quote?!?!?!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Ri_Nollaig wrote: »

is that an actual real quote?!?!?!

Interesting question - their Twitter is very inactive and shows no sign of it. If it isn't, you'd have thought that there'd be denials published.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Interesting question - their Twitter is very inactive and shows no sign of it. If it isn't, you'd have thought that there'd be denials published.

https://www.sausageroll.com.au/tech/twitter-defends-gross-little-girls-are-kinky-tweet-by-alok-vaid-menon/

Seemingly so. Was an old quote on his Facebook apparently

Ri_Nollaig

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Interesting question - their Twitter is very inactive and shows no sign of it. If it isn't, you'd have thought that there'd be denials published.

Its basically openly admitting to a crime, as much as I'd love to jump on the woke-types, would they be that stupid/arrogant to make a comment like that?

Just I am also slow to assume some bad comment next to a picture is automatically true. Its like that quote from Abe Lincoln, "don't believe everything you read on the internet"

stefanovich

Ri_Nollaig wrote: »

Its basically openly admitting to a crime, as much as I'd love to jump on the woke-types, would they be that stupid/arrogant to make a comment like that?

Just I am also slow to assume some bad comment next to a picture is automatically true. Its like that quote from Abe Lincoln, "don't believe everything you read on the internet"

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/85812.Dialectic_of_Enlightenment

This book will go a long way to explain his behaviour and why he is so open about it.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Ri_Nollaig wrote: »

Its basically openly admitting to a crime, as much as I'd love to jump on the woke-types, would they be that stupid/arrogant to make a comment like that?

Yes. Asbolutely they would.

They have this kind of smug glee when they see something like this and the emotion overrides the logical part of the brain.

Woke is not about inteligent or tyring to build a better or more inclusive world, it's about emotion and being the one who finds the injustice. It's about being popular, not about being right, and that means finding something - anything - to put you in the spotlight.

Just I am also slow to assume some bad comment next to a picture is automatically true. Its like that quote from Abe Lincoln, "don't believe everything you read on the internet"

Same here. I think it's more a case of soething taken out of context usually than totally fabricated.

Totally fabircated would be more of an alt-right thing.