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RandRuns

Cienciano wrote: »

Colin kaepernick was a victim on cancer culture from the right

Poor Colin got cancelled because he was an utterly shíte quarterback who hoped to get rich by raising his profile for his shenanigans when he realised he was going to get canned. Look up his stats - he just isn't good enough.

km991148

[Deleted User] wrote: »

However, the "anti"-woke sentiment is growing rather fast online, which will feed gradually into other areas.

I'm curious, on what basis do you make that statement?

(I don't really care either way woke/anti woke btw, more so how you would be able to determine that)

km991148

km991148 wrote: »

I'm curious, on what basis do you make that statement?

(I don't really care either way woke/anti woke btw, more so how you would be able to determine that)

The number of channels on Youtube, Odysee, etc I've seen, which have reasonably large (300k-400k) subscription bases. I know about 6 different channels each with sizable subscriber or membership bases, and they're pretty dedicated to pointing out or taking the piss out of the woke stuff. Then, there's a host of smaller channels I've encountered doing similar.

I'd also point to the number of websites showing statistics or highlighting the problems with feminism, the bias about domestic abuse, etc. A few years ago, there was simply nothing out there.. now, there's a growing number all pointing out the problems, and seeking to represent the issues affecting men.

km991148

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The number of channels on Youtube, Odysee, etc I've seen, which have reasonably large (300k-400k) subscription bases. I know about 6 different channels each with sizable subscriber or membership bases, and they're pretty dedicated to pointing out or taking the piss out of the woke stuff. Then, there's a host of smaller channels I've encountered doing similar.

I'd also point to the number of websites showing statistics or highlighting the problems with feminism, the bias about domestic abuse, etc. A few years ago, there was simply nothing out there.. now, there's a growing number all pointing out the problems, and seeking to represent the issues affecting men.

Yeah, you need to be a little careful here. The more you watch, the more you are served up (on any given topic). It's really hard to spot a trend from within the bubble.

I'm asking as I'm more curious about different trends and how different viewpoints gain traction (i.e. I don't really care about the woke Vs anti woke brigade in of themselves).

It's hard to work out what actually is going on and how good or bad things are, especially even you consider there is a whole industry invested in serving up controversy (you mention it yourself in terms of subscriber numbers.. that generates a lot of revenue..)


But anyway, different topic for a different thread I guess..

Cienciano

RandRuns wrote: »

Poor Colin got cancelled because he was an utterly shíte quarterback who hoped to get rich by raising his profile for his shenanigans when he realised he was going to get canned. Look up his stats - he just isn't good enough.

Ah, so the Dixie Chicks would be an example then.

RandRuns

Cienciano wrote: »

Ah, so the Dixie Chicks would be an example then.

I'm confused, what exactly are you trying to prove here?

I know nothing about the dixie chicks other than there some band I've heard of, and have no idea how they relate to Gillette, but if they were a victim of cancel culture, why are you telling me about them, I'm totally opposed to cancel culture?

You seem to have lost your point somewhere along the line, from cheering on woke culture to getting upset over some band, and somehow thinking I care.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Cienciano wrote: »

Go woke, go broke. That's fine. But cancel culture is bad. Strange world we live in.

Please tell me you can see the difference between these two things?

km991148

km991148 wrote: »

Yeah, you need to be a little careful here. The more you watch, the more you are served up (on any given topic). It's really hard to spot a trend from within the bubble.

I'm not in any kind of bubble. I don't have any social media accounts, beyond my website surfing.. and TBF most of those involved are not-foaming-at-the-mouth agitators, but people seeking to present things in a balanced manner.. since they know how easy it is to be dismissed as 'right wing' or whatever.

I'm asking as I'm more curious about different trends and how different viewpoints gain traction (i.e. I don't really care about the woke Vs anti woke brigade in of themselves).

You can tailor news and website streams to bring you that kind of info... there's a variety of software out there.

It's hard to work out what actually is going on and how good or bad things are, especially even you consider there is a whole industry invested in serving up controversy (you mention it yourself in terms of subscriber numbers.. that generates a lot of revenue..)

But anyway, different topic for a different thread I guess..

Generally you'll find that the more balanced people admit where they're getting their funding from. Subscriber bases don't produce that much anymore, with most funds coming from advertising.

And.. no.. it's not really that hard to figure out what's going on. You just have to do the research to get the software, the lists of streams, and then organise yourself. I did so... about three years ago, when I started working with some Male Rights workshops, and many of those who were involved in that, have moved into other areas.. Then, there's also word of mouth and networking, so you can gain access to a lot of information that isn't necessarily so public.

The issue is more to do with how people don't want to put in the work to find information. Instead, expecting it to land in their laps at the height of convenience...

km991148

Cool! Glad you are on it!

1800_Ladladlad

Biscuits for fup sake lol

https://twitter.com/Oreo/status/1365038991469281280

biko

Oreo kicking in open doors. No one has claimed trans people don't exist.

biko

biko wrote: »

Oreo kicking in open doors. No one has claimed trans people don't exist.

Not conflating;

But white people exist

Paedophiles exist

Furries exist.

Murderers exist.

So what biscuit people?

rightmove

mary robinson exists and she will be given full platforming rights on the LLLLLLLLS

Dyr

Cienciano wrote: »

For every Gillette there's a netflix, Google, Microsoft, nike that have the same "woke" shít and are successful. And quit the opposite, companies are targeting college kids more than boomers. 18-35 is the target group for most advertising as it's seen as more lucrative.

I mean, you say "obese" people don't buy a lot of anything is clearly not true :pac:

Most the kids I know in the teens-twenties range think the woke stuff is nonsense and laugh at it. 30s is a different story

Maybe I only know alt right nazis in the younger age range.

Cienciano

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Please tell me you can see the difference between these two things?

Trying to learn the difference. Was Colin Kapernick getting blackballed cancel culture? OR the Dixie Chicks?

If you don't know, it's here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chicks#2003%E2%80%932005:_Iraq_War_comments_and_backlash

Cienciano

Cienciano wrote: »

Trying to learn the difference. Was Colin Kapernick getting blackballed cancel culture? OR the Dixie Chicks?

If you don't know, it's here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chicks#2003%E2%80%932005:_Iraq_War_comments_and_backlash

Cancel culture isn’t new and isn’t left wing, was traditionally right wing. Mostly Christian. Used to be called censorship.

Achebe

[Deleted User] wrote: »

All the companies you mention are doing a balancing act with their wokeness.. and it's still early days on the backlash against woke agendas. There's momentum building on consumers not having patience with these agenda driven companies.. and the whole go-woke go-broke was more to do with bad strategy or shoddy productions, than an actual reaction from consumers. For now.

However, the "anti"-woke sentiment is growing rather fast online, which will feed gradually into other areas. I'd expect to continue see companies show their wokeness for another year or two, before there's enough resistance to make them pause in consideration.. but that day is coming. Thankfully.

A few years ago, YouTube was full of "anti SJW" people. That didn't really amount to much. I doubt the people you're on about will either.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Cienciano wrote: »

Trying to learn the difference. Was Colin Kapernick getting blackballed cancel culture? OR the Dixie Chicks?

If you don't know, it's here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chicks#2003%E2%80%932005:_Iraq_War_comments_and_backlash

I don’t agree with anybody being cancelled, whatever their politics. I don’t agree with what happened to the Dixie Chicks. I remember that happening at the time and I did not agree with it.

So again, do you not understand the difference between cancel culture (people losing employment because of their stated views for example) and consumers choosing not to buy products from moralising companies? That choice to not buy from a company might not even be a strong stance or reaction, just a weariness at being preached to by a commercial concern who in pretty much every case is only moralising in an attempt to boost their bottom line. This has happened to me recently. I have stopped buying a certain brand because I disagree with something they took a stance on recently. It’s not something that gets me fired up. I simply do not reach for their product on the shelves now. I just want companies to shut the fuck up and sell me things. I don’t need to be preached to. It’s only ever about the bottom line for companies to take these stances and I consider it hopelessly naive to think otherwise. A consumer choosing not to buy a product is very different from a concerted effort to blacklist somebody whether it’s loss of employment or being stopped from speaking at a university because of your views on transgender people like Germaine Greer or being blacklisted from radio stations over criticism of Bush in the case of the Dixie Chicks.

I think you hoped that the Dixie Chicks and Colin Kaepernick examples would be gotchas. Nah, not for me.

km991148

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Cancel culture isn’t new and isn’t left wing, was traditionally right wing. Mostly Christian. Used to be called censorship.

Yeah, I don't subscribe to this notion that cancel culture is the preserve of "the left" only. I know plenty on all sides of the political spectrum that cry over things they don't agree with. I think in most cases it's absolutely absurd - if you don't like something by all means campaign to change - but why get rid altogether?

If a celebrity makes a mistake it depends how they handle it after. Same with the bigger things like 'defund' groups you see. Don't like RTE? fine, buy try and have it changed before you ban it completely. It's like there are no shades of grey anymore. No context or understanding.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

km991148 wrote: »

Yeah, I don't subscribe to this notion that cancel culture is the preserve of "the left" only. I know plenty on all sides of the political spectrum that cry over things they don't agree with. I think in most cases it's absolutely absurd - if you don't like something by all means campaign to change - but why get rid altogether?

If a celebrity makes a mistake it depends how they handle it after. Same with the bigger things like 'defund' groups you see. Don't like RTE? fine, buy try and have it changed before you ban it completely. It's like there are no shades of grey anymore. No context or understanding.

Actually, some of the critics of modern day cancel culture have made this very point. Andrew Doyle, the left wing commentator behind the Titania McGrath parody Twitter account, has made the point that modern day woke culture has a lot in common with right wing censorship of the past. He made the point that that particular branch of the left wing are the new Mary Whitehouses. I find it hard to disagree with him. They certainly have the Mary Whitehouse-esque humourlessness down pat. It’s an interesting development.

There are still right wing groups trying to get things banned. But why are strands of the left wing now joining them?

km991148

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Actually, some of the critics of modern day cancel culture have made this very point. Andrew Doyle, the left wing commentator behind the Titania McGrath parody Twitter account, has made the point that modern day woke culture has a lot in common with right wing censorship of the past. He made the point that that particular branch of the left wing are the new Mary Whitehouses. I find it hard to disagree with him. They certainly have the Mary Whitehouse-esque humourlessness down pat. It’s an interesting development.

There are still right wing groups trying to get things banned. But why are strands of the left wing now joining them?

It's almost like it's not really something that can be attributed to one political leaning, but more a general human behaviour. Even something is intolerable people want it gone with little motivation for understanding, reflection or change.

Anyway, that's twice today I've went off topic, let the woke bashing continue!

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

km991148 wrote: »

It's almost like it's not really something that can be attributed to one political leaning, but more a general human behaviour. Even something is intolerable people want it gone with little motivation for understanding, reflection or change.

Anyway, that's twice today I've went off topic, let the woke bashing continue!

It’s a new development that parts of the left wing are getting involved and it’s making many left-leaning people - myself included - start to feel politically homeless. Not so much here in Ireland but if I still lived in the UK, I’d no longer vote for Labour. And I wouldn’t vote Tory. And definitely not Lib Dem or Greens. I would not know who to vote for if I still lived there. So, it matters.

km991148

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

It’s a new development that parts of the left wing are getting involved and it’s making many left-leaning people - myself included - start to feel politically homeless. Not so much here in Ireland but if I still lived in the UK, I’d no longer vote for Labour. And I wouldn’t vote Tory. And definitely not Lib Dem or Greens. I would not know who to vote for if I still lived there. So, it matters.

Yeah, it matters, I just didn't want to drag the thread away with further musings. This is supposed to be an after hours thread about the woke in general.

Achebe

Achebe wrote: »

A few years ago, YouTube was full of "anti SJW" people. That didn't really amount to much. I doubt the people you're on about will either.

They're influencers. They influence other people with the information they release (which is often not available through mainstream media), and encourage discussion on topics. They're not there to "do" anything themselves.

Just as the host of feminist driven websites, and yes, youtube channels did influence people to believe certain things to be true, and in turn, that affected their actions in their own lives. In some cases, motivating them into creating chapters/groups of their own, to promote the same agenda.

And we're now, in an even more internet focused society than before, so the influence of these people can be greater than ever before.

Sure.. perhaps you're completely resistant to the influence that others may have over you.. but the same can't be said for a lot of other people out there, especially those who view their influencers as some kind of rolemodel.

Necro

Mod:

Folks, quit acting the muppet or this thread will be locked. I've just deleted 9 posts that are outright trolling.

RandRuns and COVID - don't post in this thread again

Cienciano

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I don’t agree with anybody being cancelled, whatever their politics. I don’t agree with what happened to the Dixie Chicks. I remember that happening at the time and I did not agree with it.

So again, do you not understand the difference between cancel culture (people losing employment because of their stated views for example) and consumers choosing not to buy products from moralising companies? That choice to not buy from a company might not even be a strong stance or reaction, just a weariness at being preached to by a commercial concern who in pretty much every case is only moralising in an attempt to boost their bottom line. This has happened to me recently. I have stopped buying a certain brand because I disagree with something they took a stance on recently. It’s not something that gets me fired up. I simply do not reach for their product on the shelves now. I just want companies to shut the fuck up and sell me things. I don’t need to be preached to. It’s only ever about the bottom line for companies to take these stances and I consider it hopelessly naive to think otherwise. A consumer choosing not to buy a product is very different from a concerted effort to blacklist somebody whether it’s loss of employment or being stopped from speaking at a university because of your views on transgender people like Germaine Greer or being blacklisted from radio stations over criticism of Bush in the case of the Dixie Chicks.

I think you hoped that the Dixie Chicks and Colin Kaepernick examples would be gotchas. Nah, not for me.

I just wanted to see if someone could admit the right do the same thing. At least you did, fair play. RandRuns couldn't do it, had to make excuses.
That's all.

Cordell

Deleted User wrote: »

Cancel culture isn’t new and isn’t left wing, was traditionally right wing. Mostly Christian. Used to be called censorship.

How so? Was there common to have your life destroyed for merely saying things that went against the official narrative? Because I can tell you where this actually happened, in the far left socialist Eastern Europe.

whisky_galore

Rothko wrote: »

Honestly, what is the point in that?

If I were cynical, which I am, a subtle change in packaging and boom - worldwide free advertising for the company who make Mr/Mrs/Whatever Potato Head toys.

Max exposure for very little cost.

AllForIt

If the Right were cancelling people left right and centre most of the same people contributing on this thread would be criticizing them as well,including myself, I'd imagine. But it is the Left that are at hand right now so there is no point in 'musing' about how the right do it/used to do it. To do so just looks like a sneaky attempt to suggest this thread is really an anti-left thread created by rabid right wingers, which is isn't.

Also, as far as I can see anti-woke sentiment is everywhere at the moment (thankfully), and you don't have to be part of some echo chamber online to see it. Hardly a day goes by you don't see people complaining about it either on daytime TV, rolling news or talk radio without even looking for it. When you hear ppl say there is noting to worry about, your making a big fuss about nothing THAT is when you ears should prick up and be alert to what's going on.

Kermit.de.frog

I take real issue with those today who intentionally blur the line between sex and gender because it has consequences particularly when it comes to males competing in female sports (or the other way round although oddly that doesn't seem to happen as much!). The second (gender) is a choice, the first is a fact.

People are free to make whatever choices they like in their own lives and that includes gender. I draw the line myself when basic fundamental biological fact is challenged on top of that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QTNh3d1LLk