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Cordell

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The trans Korean thing is satire.

It's scary how difficult is to tell the difference these days, isn't it?

BattleCorp

Cordell wrote: »

It's scary how difficult is to tell the difference these days, isn't it?

It appears to be real. Well Sky News seem to think so.

https://news.sky.com/story/oli-london-british-influencer-defends-identifying-as-korean-after-surgery-to-look-like-bts-star-12344765

silverharp

zom wrote: »

Wonder if I can demand citizenship this way?


USA national pride was one of the last tolerated in western world - good to see it is falling down like all the others. Now I wait for something like that in Israel.

here is how the pros do it

https://twitter.com/TheKingIsBack80/status/1409848258021793799

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I've spoken to many transgender people who condemn transracialism in very extreme terms.

Which is odd. Where is the inclusion for transracialists?

Even if I find transracialism nonsense myself, I do wonder why many transgender people cannot accept transracialists into the community.

Surely the more consistent view is to accept what they are saying / doing to their bodies.

The difference is in the reason. Transgender people go through the surgery for serious reasons, transracial is just cosmetic.

As in said, transitional surgery for publicity belittles transitional surgery for health reasons

ingalway

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

The difference is in the reason. Transgender people go through the surgery for serious reasons, transracial is just cosmetic.

As in said, transitional surgery for publicity belittles transitional surgery for health reasons

Many trans gender people never have surgery, especially males identifying as females. Is that then not just cosmetic?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

ingalway wrote: »

Many trans gender people never have surgery, especially males identifying as females. Is that then not just cosmetic?

I never said they did...? How can not henning surgery be cosmetic surgery?

Potential-Monke

Wait, so me, the whitest of white gingers, can feck off and spend money on dodgy surgery and procedures in order to turn my skin black, and I can then pretend that I was born black and am from Compton? I could move from the rare ginger hair blue eyes to the even rarer ginger hair, blue eyes and black skin. Maybe I could change it up a bit after that then, and claim I'm from Jamaica, and then transition to an Asian and move to Japan...

No, just no.

Strumms

zom wrote: »

Wonder if I can demand citizenship this way?


USA national pride was one of the last tolerated in western world - good to see it is falling down like all the others. Now I wait for something like that in Israel.

No problem with national pride, it’s a positive thing.. yes some people don’t express it responsibly or in good taste but that just reflects on them...

Better be proud of who you are and where you are from then this modern shtick of muppets that are proud of what they do to earn a living..

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

The difference is in the reason. Transgender people go through the surgery for serious reasons, transracial is just cosmetic.

I'm probably going to regret asking this, because I don't want to seem like I'm likening the two, and anyway I'll look like a cnut. For the record, I don't think the two procedures are in the same ballpark.

But what is a trans surgery if not cosmetic? It's about appearance.

If it improves mental health, when many of them are suffering desperately, obviously trans surgery is a positive thing.

Is there a genuine transracial surgery, and are people really distressed about being transracial? It seems unlikely, but I can somewhat see how it would disress someone who is seen as black by white people, and not black enough by black people. It's cosmetic, but it might be distressing.

Strumms

I wonder will we ever see the day, or has it already been seen, where a person could apply using a medical card or some sort of grant / public money to have a sex change ?

Strumms

Strumms wrote: »

I wonder will we ever see the day, or has it already been seen, where a person could apply using a medical card or some sort of grant / public money to have a sex change ?

Much better to have someone be utterly miserable, avail of psychological services over a lifetime, than to simply offer a (for what it's worth, cheaper) remedy?

Why do people talk about trans surgery as if it's a luxurious pastime? It's major surgery. Nobody is doing it for fun.

Strumms

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I'm probably going to regret asking this, because I don't want to seem like I'm likening the two, and anyway I'll look like a cnut. For the record, I don't think the two procedures are in the same ballpark.

But what is a trans surgery if not cosmetic? It's about appearance.

If it improves mental health, when many of them are suffering desperately, obviously trans surgery is a positive thing.

Is there a genuine transracial surgery, and are people really distressed about being transracial? It seems unlikely, but I can somewhat see how it would disress someone who is seen as black by white people, and not black enough by black people. It's cosmetic, but it might be distressing.

If I turned up to see a psychologist and after several consultations I convinced him I’m likely to kill myself unless I’m bought a Mercedes Maybach ? Should the government give me 170,000 euros to buy one ? Or just say, dude, we’ll get you some more help ok...

People having mental health problems as a result of convincing themselves they are born in the wrong body hmmmm

Strumms

Strumms wrote: »

If I turned up to see a psychologist and after several consultations I convinced him I’m likely to kill myself unless I’m bought a Mercedes Maybach ? Should the government give me 170,000 euros to buy one ? Or just say, dude, we’ll get you some more help ok...

People having mental health problems as a result of convincing themselves they are born in the wrong body hmmmm

Having major surgery <<<<<< taking your mates for a spin in a new Maybach

Come on man.

Geuze

Strumms wrote: »

I wonder will we ever see the day, or has it already been seen, where a person could apply using a medical card or some sort of grant / public money to have a sex change ?

It happens.

No need for a medical card.

It is provided in hospitals, but it seems not here:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/hse-funds-treatment-for-28-people-to-change-gender-in-2016-1.2979930

30,000 euro per person.

Cordell

for 30k probably they will just snip the mick off and let you go your way

The cost of female-to-male operations is higher than male-to-female procedures, a HSE spokesman said.

If paired together can't they just swap the parts?

Strumms

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Having major surgery <<<<<< taking your mates for a spin in a new Maybach

Come on man.

That’s a disingenuous statement..

Considering the cost ( to the taxpayers ) and whereby I’ll say again, people are being REFUSED inpatient hospital rehabilitative treatments following brain injuries, nerve disorders, and a host of other long term illnesses..... the case I know of funding wasn’t available and been made aware of others..., where this was around April or May so not the end of the financial year...but patient told to swing for it, their hopes and expectations of a normal life tossed onto the rocks ...Doolaghs Park... NO... NRH... NO... YET people want to change gender get tens of millions of funding... somewhat fûcked up...

Geuze

Geuze wrote: »

It happens.

No need for a medical card.

It is provided in hospitals, but it seems not here:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/hse-funds-treatment-for-28-people-to-change-gender-in-2016-1.2979930

30,000 euro per person.

From the article:

"Recent research found up to 40 per cent of transgender people in the State had considered or attempted suicide in the previous 12 months"

We are currently in the midst of pretty extreme restrictions on life in order to protect the health of a minority (rightly so, in this poster's opinion).

Working along similar principles, this seems like a no-brainer. It's an obvious choice to intervene and reduce people's distress, let alone loss of life.

Strumms

Strumms wrote: »

That’s a disingenuous statement..

Considering the cost ( to the taxpayers ) and whereby I’ll say again, people are being REFUSED inpatient hospital rehabilitative treatments following brain injuries

Ok, but those neurosurgeons aren't kept busy doing gender reassignments. That's not their job.

Nobody would defend delays in rehabilitative medical care. Obviously gender reassignment (and most surgeries) should occupy a lower priority. But that doesn't mean they are ignored until all neurology cases are sorted.

A Tyrant Named Miltiades!

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

From the article:

"Recent research found up to 40 per cent of transgender people in the State had considered or attempted suicide in the previous 12 months"

We are currently in the midst of pretty extreme restrictions on life in order to protect the health of a minority (rightly so, in this poster's opinion).

Working along similar principles, this seems like a no-brainer. It's an obvious choice to intervene and reduce people's distress, let alone loss of life.

Has it been shown that sex reassignment surgery improves mental health outcomes?

Larbre34

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Has it been shown that sex reassignment surgery improves mental health outcomes?

Yes. But not universally.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Has it been shown that sex reassignment surgery improves mental health outcomes?

Yes

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6974860/

Strumms

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

From the article:

"Recent research found up to 40 per cent of transgender people in the State had considered or attempted suicide in the previous 12 months"

We are currently in the midst of pretty extreme restrictions on life in order to protect the health of a minority (rightly so, in this poster's opinion).

Working along similar principles, this seems like a no-brainer. It's an obvious choice to intervene and reduce people's distress, let alone loss of life.

Why is their plight more important then a person with...another medical Syndrome, ? A nerve disorder that need extra in some are terminal, in other quality of life limiting and only a small minority will recover and that most will like needing a degree of care...? As I experienced the likelihood is your government won’t want to know..

I could have pulled the suicide card myself but chose to get on with it...

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Strumms wrote: »

That’s a disingenuous statement..

Considering the cost ( to the taxpayers ) and whereby I’ll say again, people are being REFUSED inpatient hospital rehabilitative treatments following brain injuries, nerve disorders, and a host of other long term illnesses..... the case I know of funding wasn’t available and been made aware of others..., where this was around April or May so not the end of the financial year...but patient told to swing for it, their hopes and expectations of a normal life tossed onto the rocks ...Doolaghs Park... NO... NRH... NO... YET people want to change gender get tens of millions of funding... somewhat fûcked up...

Are you implying that transgender surgeries are being prioritised over brain injuries, stating it as fact, or just guessing because it sounds like it's happening?

Strumms

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Yes

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6974860/

Multiple psychological assistances and help can do that too, without your government giving you tens of thousands while others sit on poxy long waiting lists for treatments for illness. Like second class citizens.

Potential-Monke

I'll keep it short so as not to overly offend, but like the Mica case, why should I have to pay for someone else to change their sex? You mention that it replaces mental health services over time. Are they the same mental health services I can't avail of because I'm working so don't get them for free and can't afford to pay for them myself because I earn less than the minimum standard of living wage? Those ones?

We've to feel sorry for these people (not in a "these" people way, just these people) and pay for all this so they can be happy, but I've to fund my own happiness? How is that fair?

Strumms

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Are you implying that transgender surgeries are being prioritised over brain injuries, stating it as fact, or just guessing because it sounds like it's happening?

I’m stating it as fact, hence the ‘case I know’ comment...

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Strumms wrote: »

I’m stating it as fact, hence the ‘case I know’ comment...

If this anecdotal or have you something to share?
The case you know of was a funding issue - connected to transgender or guesswork?

Strumms

Strumms wrote: »

Why is their plight more important then a person with...another medical Syndrome

I dunno man. Why do obesity clinics exist when there are people dying of brain cancers? Why are people with schizophrenia sometimes seen by a Consultant before people with kidney disease? I guess we have to walk and chew gum at the same time.

You're asking about completely different specialties.

Strumms wrote: »

Multiple psychological assistances and help can do that too, without your government giving you tens of thousands while others sit on poxy long waiting lists for treatments for illness. Like second class citizens.

I suspect it's cheaper to provide once-off gender reassignment than offer ongoing psychiatric healthcare, given what we know about the positive effects of gender reassignment. That's all.

Strumms

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Ok, but those neurosurgeons aren't kept busy doing gender reassignments. That's not their job.

Nobody would defend delays in rehabilitative medical care. Obviously gender reassignment (and most surgeries) should occupy a lower priority. But that doesn't mean they are ignored until all neurology cases are sorted.

Errrr...Who mentioned neurosurgeons ?

Brain surgery is rare, the brain heals itself, but is slow, nerve disorders require extremely intensive, and long term rehabilitation, 5/6/7 years in some cases, physio, exercise of an intensive and expert nature..

Gender realignment a lower priority ? Yes, that’s how medicine works..

By your logic why not take a couple of cancer specialists, heart specialists and retrain and realign to expand the gender reassignment program?

Maybe I’d have got the help I needed publicly for my illness if I’d threatened to top myself, but I just had to be content with waiting, being told no... then paying my own way...

Strumms

Strumms wrote: »

By your logic why not take a couple of cancer specialists, heart specialists and retrain and realign to expand the gender reassignment program?

There is no gender reassignment programme in this country.

We avail of expertise in other countries instead. I agree, it's expensive to send them to the UK. The price (about 30k) doesn't seem extraordinary when you consider the cost of ongoing psychiatric care -- all of the candidates for gender reassignment will have been under the care of a psychiatrist.

To me, this doesn't sound like a financial issue. Financially, it makes sense. It sounds like some kinda grudge, with respect.