Wokeism of the day *Revised Mod Note in OP and threadbanned users*

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Deleted User wrote: »

Sure, it is... but that's not the point. It generates the perception of support for BLM... and seeks to punish those who don't bend the knee. Many people will be happy to promote awareness about racism, but not support BLM, which has too many political connections... associations that those people don't want to support.



Being that social change directly affects the laws of the land... Whereas in China/Russia, the opposite is true.

And you put two different points within a single sentence. Which I responded to.



That it doesn't need this sudden outburst such as you're doing right now, suggesting that people need to take action about it, otherwise they're part of the problem.

Racism in Ireland is already completely unacceptable. The same can be said for most European countries, or there is definite movement towards that acceptance.



You're seeking a black/white declaration. Which is why you can't accept nuance.



I really don't need you to tell me what my attitude is... it's right up there where I wrote it. I also don't need you to reinterpret what I've said...

Because that's precisely what you've just done.



We're going around in circles because you keep making assumptions based on nothing I've said. I didn't say that authorities were not racist, nor did I say that they were racist. You introduced that all by yourself... after the fact.

I wonder do you really understand what we're talking about here, because you're constantly shifting goalposts and the parameters of the conversation.



Actively reinterpreting everything to suit your worldview.. :rolleyes:



Yes. I have in a variety of countries, from assault to discrimination. Have you?

At this point, I'm bowing out.

You're using a lot of arguements that you wnt to be true that aren't, and some I didn;t even say! All hightlighted in bold.

I can only argue my point - I can't argue your misinterpretation of it.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

At this point, I'm bowing out.

You're using a lot of arguements that you wnt to be true that aren't, and some I didn;t even say! All hightlighted in bold.

I can only argue my point - I can't argue your misinterpretation of it.

Hilarious. Misinterpretation? Nah. But sure, let's finish up.. I don't see the point of arguing with someone who feels the need to reinterpret others posts to suit their own narrative to disagree with.

1800_Ladladlad

I am horrified and I'm absolutely outraged. A homophobic footballer in the premier league smashed an LGBT corner flag during an act of hate today. The FA must release a statement on this immediately and I demand the player be suspended for the foreseeable future and lose all their social credits. This was clearly a homophobic gesture made by cis white male and anybody who disagrees is homophobic.


vrf

I have reported it to the twitter PD.

Morathi

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

Im am horrified and I'm absolutely outraged. A homophobic footballer in the premier league smashed an LGBT corner flag during an act of hate today. The FA must release a statement on this immediately and I demand the player be suspended for the foreseeable future and lose all their social credits. This was clearly a homophobic gesture made by cis white male and anybody who disagrees is homophobic.


vrf

I have reported it to the twitter PD.

XD XD


I am suitably offended, and it feels good, thank you.

IAMAMORON

Ice Cream manufacturers should be cancelled imo.

In fairness they changed this one up in the 90's. Shrewd enough down the marketing department in HB.



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Barna77

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Ice Cream manufacturers should be cancelled imo.

In fairness they changed this one up in the 90's. Shrewd enough down the marketing department in HB.

That reminds me of a brand of drinking chocolate that we have in Spain, sold since the 1940s.

In the 50s they ran an ad which had a song, telling the story of a happy black man who happily collected cocoa to make the chocolate. That song became quite iconic, as it's so catchy. Everyone in Spain can recognise it.

In the 1990s they made a new ad, same song, but with three well payed black football players singing it. Very tongue in cheek and I don't remember if there was any fuss or hassle. In college I had an Irish teacher who was horrified after watching the ad and said that you'd never have anything like that here in Ireland (a couple of years later I moved to Ireland; I was very amused when I saw lots of ads or campaigns with girls, pretty much half naked promoting the lottery, mortgages and such (the famous ad for a housing estate with a couple over a kitchen island :rolleyes:) )

This year they released a new ad campaign, changing the lyrics perceived as racist. Though there's a line that sounds like "take a gram of happiness" hahaha

Quantum Erasure

https://www.buzz.ie/movies-tv/monster-hunter-pulled-from-chinese-cinemas-amid-racism-row-404744?


The film ‘Monster Hunter’ has been pulled from Chinese cinemas after a controversy stormed online relating to a joke in the film considered to be racially offensive.

The controversy revolves around a 10-second exchange in which Asian-American actor rapper/actor Jin Au-Yeung (aka MC Jin) riffs to his partner “Look at my knees. What kind of knees are these? Chinese.”

This is felt to be a reference to the racist playground rhyme “Chinese, Japanese, dirty knees, look at these”, which is considered offensive.

storker

Sardonicat wrote: »

But 'handbags'? Who does that offend? Aggressive old ladies?

Possibly the Batley Townswomen's Guild...

Sardonicat

storker wrote: »

Possibly the Batley Townswomen's Guild...

Thank you. I meant to post that myself!

O'Neill

Not sure if this has been posted before but would it be fair to put the anti-vaxxers into the ‘woke’ group?

AllForIt

O'Neill wrote: »

Not sure if this has been posted before but would it be fair to put the anti-vaxxers into the ‘woke’ group?

Only if they wish to identify as woke themselves.

O'Neill

O'Neill wrote: »

Not sure if this has been posted before but would it be fair to put the anti-vaxxers into the ‘woke’ group?

I don't think so, since I know a number of anti-vaxxers and their desires/interests only extend to themselves. They don't seem to be interested in forcing everyone else to not only accept their choices (they seem not to care too much), but also aren't demanding that everyone else play by their rules.

IMHO The woke crowd generally demand that everyone else lives by their rules, and by their standards (whether those standards apply to themselves is an entirely different question).

Biker79

Anti-vaxxers seem to have a strong faith in their own immune systems.

There was a time when the immune system was left to fend for itself, so I suppose it makes sense, in a certain context.

Wouldnt have thought of them as Woke though. Seems more of a pagan/ hippy thing.

EmmetSpiceland

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

This is felt to be a reference to the racist playground rhyme “Chinese, Japanese, dirty knees, look at these”, which is considered offensive.

Only if you do the “eye thing” while saying it, Q. Talking about Chinese knees is just, personal, anatomy.

IAMAMORON

Biker79 wrote: »

Anti-vaxxers seem to have a strong faith in their own immune systems.

There was a time when the immune system was left to fend for itself, so I suppose it makes sense, in a certain context.

Wouldnt have thought of them as Woke though. Seems more of a pagan/ hippy thing.

Sure Jehovah's Witness refuse blood transfusions. Madness. I think it is disrespectful to previous medical innovation that people underutilise its' progress, to what end, prove some ideal that they don't even have the mental capacity to comprehend?

Billions of hours of human brainpower, has spent thousands of epochs, developing medical science to where it is today? Yet there exists people who are not even qualified to know better, thinking that they are an authority on it?

Thinking that your immune system is capable of single handedly repelling every illness or ailment the earth can throw at you.. is akin to ending an argument with your fingers in your ears shouting , "I don't care, I am not listening to you anymore, nah nah nah nah nah nah nah, em ememememe" ad lib to fade.

Ask the almost 32 million people who have died of AIDS what they think about their immune system and how bullet proof the Antivaxxers told them it should be?

But no, there is actually very little correlation between Anti Vaxxers and Wokism, apart from the irony that whilst they both think they are both on the ball and have a clue, they are actually massively detached from reality they are so phucking stupid.

We used to say “money please” instead of “look at these”.

EmmetSpiceland

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

We used to say “money please” instead of “look at these”.

Same here. Think I’d have preferred the other one, though.

Sardonicat

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Same here. Think I’d have preferred the other one, though.

'Look at these' here, as an early developer I'd give a little jiggle just to drive home the point. Could we have a non-racist version that I can adapt to make upright people uncomfortable again?

EmmetSpiceland

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Same here. Think I’d have preferred the other one, though.

The outsides of the eyes were pulled upwards for Chinese and downwards for Japanese. God knows why, I don’t think I’d seen either by that stage of my life.

Biker79

Biker79 wrote: »

Anti-vaxxers seem to have a strong faith in their own immune systems.

There was a time when the immune system was left to fend for itself, so I suppose it makes sense, in a certain context.

Is it Darwinism and survival of the fittest and all that? Natures natural way of culling the sick, the weak, the unfortunate and, well, the stupid.

Nature is brutal.

EmmetSpiceland

Sardonicat wrote: »

'Look at these' here, as an early developer I'd give a little jiggle just to drive home the point. Could we have a non-racist version that I can adapt to make upright people uncomfortable again?

Would really depend on their trousers.

Biker79

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Is it Darwinism and survival of the fittest and all that? Natures natural way of culling the sick, the weak, the unfortunate and, well, the stupid.

Nature is brutal.

Yeah exactly. Basically, if you're not healthy, which is largely your immune system and its ability to fight off disease, then you don't pass your genes on to the next generation because you die - usually early in childhood.

Brutal, but after a few generations, it produces healthy populations able to thrive without much medical intervention.

Conversely, successive generations who rely on medical intervention for various illnesses become reliant on medicine to survive and thrive, thus further weakening the genome in the general population...or so the theory goes.

I think its a lifestyle that only makes sense in relatively small isolated populations. It's a bad idea in urban populations.

IAMAMORON

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Sure Jehovah's Witness refuse blood transfusions. Madness. I think it is disrespectful to previous medical innovation that people underutilise its' progress, to what end, prove some ideal that they don't even have the mental capacity to comprehend?

Billions of hours of human brainpower, has spent thousands of epochs, developing medical science to where it is today? Yet there exists people who are not even qualified to know better, thinking that they are an authority on it?

You could say the same thing about Psychology, and that's still very iffy, in spite of all the claims of being scientific.

In terms of modern medicine, I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but I can understand their reluctance. Just looking at the state of the US in terms of drug addiction, and the influence of the Pharma companies, tends to make me avoid most medicine intake. (the sheer amount of side effects and damage that modern medicine can do to the body, also makes be very very wary)

Not getting into a discussion on this, since it was done to death on CA before, but, I don't find the anti-vaxxers to be morons for thinking the way they do.. Medicine and the effects it has on the body, isn't the hard science that many wish to make it out to be. (Yes, I have permanent damage done to my internal organs due to medicine cocktails which top specialists in their fields told me to take... ) I used to be a believer in western medicine as the go-to answer for everything.. not anymore.

sbsquarepants

Deleted User wrote: »

You could say the same thing about Psychology, and that's still very iffy, in spite of all the claims of being scientific.

All sciences are not created equally, social sciences can be very vague and open to interpretation. I don't think you could find 5 economists who all agree on anything!

Deleted User wrote: »

In terms of modern medicine, I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but I can understand their reluctance. Just looking at the state of the US in terms of drug addiction, and the influence of the Pharma companies, tends to make me avoid most medicine intake. (the sheer amount of side effects and damage that modern medicine can do to the body, also makes be very very wary)
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I've been recently accused of spouting dangerous anti-vaxxer nonsense merely for saying i'd rather hang back for a bit and see how the vaccine works out in practice, rather than be first in the que!

The reason being i don't feel that a rushed study of 30,000 however rigorous could accurately detect 1/10,000 or 1/100,000 side effects.


I personally think the rush to take these vaccines is a bit premature, and born more of hope and lockdown fatigue than any inherent faith in their safety or effectiveness. There is just no substitute for time. I know all the vaccines i have taken or have given my kids are safe because of the millions of people who have taken them for decades, not because of a one off trial of 10,000 or whatever.

Kivaro

And for my contribution to woke-ism of the day:
Breakdancing has been added as an Olympic sport for the 2024 games being held in Paris.
WTF.

Cordell

Nothing wrong with that, certainly not more wrong than having abused little girls doing gymnastics while wearing revealing tight costumes. And it is a physically demanding endeavor, so not out of place.



https://www.polygon.com/reviews/22158019/cyberpunk-2077-review-cd-projekt-red-pc-ps4-xbox-one-stadia

Thankfully, your character’s gender is not tied to your choice of genitals. You can create a dude with a vagina or a lady with a penis, that’s no problem. But because of everything else about how the game handles trans identity, this hardly feels like the progressive step it should be.

And so it goes for about half of it complaining it's not designed with trans people feelings and enjoyment in mind, because, you know, since they are such an important demographics they need to be front and center and everything to accommodate them first.

sbsquarepants

Kivaro wrote: »

And for my contribution to woke-ism of the day:
Breakdancing has been added as an Olympic sport for the 2024 games being held in Paris.
WTF.

Not all that different from gymnastics really.....but you do kind of get the idea that they are just running out of sports!

IAMAMORON

Kivaro wrote: »

And for my contribution to woke-ism of the day:
Breakdancing has been added as an Olympic sport for the 2024 games being held in Paris.
WTF.

It is about time Hip Hop got its' chance at the games?

If you can get a gold medal for waving your legs in the air from a Swimming pool,you should definitely be able to get one for doing the most head spins and how fluid your downrocking style is? At last, some decent recognition for modern dance.

biko

Kivaro wrote: »

Breakdancing has been added as an Olympic sport for the 2024 games being held in Paris.

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Not all that different from gymnastics really.

Indeed, I'm sure it's a very athletic activity, but
1) it's not a sport, it's dancing.
2) the expressed reason is woke - “more gender balanced, more youthful and more urban”.

Stovepipe

Some alleged academic in the UK is complaining about a Rex Whistler painting because it depicts a slave, one of five or six people in the painting. Clearly, somebody with nothing to do with his time...

EmmetSpiceland

Stovepipe wrote: »

Some alleged academic in the UK is complaining about a Rex Whistler painting because it depicts a slave, one of five or six people in the painting. Clearly, somebody with nothing to do with his time...

What’s the issue there?

biko

https://www.artnews.com/art-news/news/tate-britain-restaurant-rex-whistler-mural-ethics-committee-1234578338/
‘Racist’ Mural in Tate Britain Restaurant Is Deemed ‘Offensive’ by Ethics Committee

sbsquarepants

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

What’s the issue there?

You'll usually find yourself wondering this, once you hear the words academic and complaining in the same sentence i find!

Cordell

biko wrote: »

https://www.artnews.com/art-news/news/tate-britain-restaurant-rex-whistler-mural-ethics-committee-1234578338/
‘Racist’ Mural in Tate Britain Restaurant Is Deemed ‘Offensive’ by Ethics Committee

They should also address the lack of diversity in their customers. All fancy restaurants that serve expensive food need to be more inclusive and have cheap food and drinks for the underprivileged, and drop any dress code. Clearly they are made to cater only for the white privileged class and we can't have that.
And in case you wonder, no, not having a more diverse upper middle class is not the real problem that needs t be addressed. No, clearly the restaurants are the problem, and the works of art. We don't need to uplift anyone from working class poverty, we only need to be woke about their feelings (ours really, on their behalf).

sbsquarepants

sbsquarepants wrote: »

All sciences are not created equally, social sciences can be very vague and open to interpretation. I don't think you could find 5 economists who all agree on anything!

Oh, I agree... but that extends to science and medicine too, since medicine contains so many sub-categories, and yet, we're expected to accept them all equally. It's like how cancer treatment was performed thirty years ago, versus what is done now, versus what is being developed and understood better through new acquisition of technology.

I've been recently accused of spouting dangerous anti-vaxxer nonsense merely for saying i'd rather hang back for a bit and see how the vaccine works out in practice, rather than be first in the que!

The reason being i don't feel that a rushed study of 30,000 however rigorous could accurately detect 1/10,000 or 1/100,000 side effects.

I find that to be perfect sense tbh.

I personally think the rush to take these vaccines is a bit premature, and born more of hope and lockdown fatigue than any inherent faith in their safety or effectiveness. There is just no substitute for time. I know all the vaccines i have taken or have given my kids are safe because of the millions of people who have taken them for decades, not because of a one off trial of 10,000 or whatever.

I'm wary simply because the use of mass vaccines is still a relatively new social experiment, without hard facts (too early to be sure of anything) on it's effects over time, and might come from that acceptance (i'm also wary of this demand that everyone fall into line and accept their usage.. it gives too much power to private business)

Still.. thanks. Great response.

Get Real

biko wrote: »

https://www.artnews.com/art-news/news/tate-britain-restaurant-rex-whistler-mural-ethics-committee-1234578338/
‘Racist’ Mural in Tate Britain Restaurant Is Deemed ‘Offensive’ by Ethics Committee

A mural from almost 100 years ago. You'd think context would apply here. If anything it could be argued it's an important piece to keep, demonstrating how societal values have evolved.

I don't get looking for things to be offended by, or causes to work on. Alot of people involved in these things should look at the basics first.

I know a girl, based here in Dublin. Lives in a multi million euro seafront property, still with her parents. Never had to work in college, got an allowance. Had a college pad even though her family home was 10km away. Got drunk and p1ssed in the street, shouted at McDonald's staff etc.

Has the pronouns on twitter, tweets about "issues" in the world. How about basic manners and get a proper job for experience?wouldnt that make a bigger change to the world?

Having a pop at the "priveleged" and white males. While she's the most priveleged person I know.

Cordell

since medicine contains so many sub-categories, and yet, we're expected to accept them all equally

If you're talking about "medicine" branches like acupuncture and homeopathy you're going into the woke medicinal marxism territory.
Not all medicines are equal, just like not all cultures are. In fact, there is only one medicine and quite a few of quackeries and frauds.

Cordell

Cordell wrote: »

If you're talking about "medicine" branches like acupuncture and homeopathy you're going into the woke medicinal marxism territory.
Not all medicines are equal, just like not all cultures are. In fact, there is only one medicine and quite a few of quackeries and frauds.

nope.

I meant the disciplines involved within medicine.

like: Forensic pathology, Neurodevelopmental disabilities, or Molecular genetic pathology.

Just an example, not listing these in particular as being worthy of suspicion...

In any case, we're off topic here.

sbsquarepants

Deleted User wrote: »

Oh, I agree... but that extends to science and medicine too, since medicine contains so many sub-categories, and yet, we're expected to accept them all equally. It's like how cancer treatment was performed thirty years ago, versus what is done now, versus what is being developed and understood better through new acquisition of technology.

Exactly. People seem to either forget, or just be unaware that a lot of stuff we look at now and know to be wrong, crazy even, was once the accepted wisdom. There's a weird, and i think completely unfounded, belief that we've left those days behind, that it's somehow inconceivable that todays percieved wisdom could be tomorrows crackpottery

(is crackpottery a word, if it's not i'd like to officially coin it:D)

Deleted User wrote: »

I find that to be perfect sense tbh.

Well you must be a dangerous anti-vaxxer....like myself apparently!

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm wary simply because the use of mass vaccines is still a relatively new social experiment, without hard facts (too early to be sure of anything) on it's effects over time, and might come from that acceptance (i'm also wary of this demand that everyone fall into line and accept their usage.. it gives too much power to private business)

Still.. thanks. Great response.

It also merits mentioning that a lot of these private businesses have also repeatedly proven themselves to be very unscrupulous and dishonest.

I honestly just don't see why anyone wouldn't be a bit weary! Pfizer for example hold the dubious honour of having recieved the largest criminal fine in history, and not back in their dim and distant past, it was only 10 years ago......but you can trust us this time, honest you can!

It's just a case of group think / don't question the official narrative. If you express any concern then you clearly just out for yourself, you just don't care about poor old missus Jones down the road or some such bollox. There is nothing wrong with being concerned about your own well being!

Quantum Erasure

biko wrote: »

Indeed, I'm sure it's a very athletic activity, but
1) it's not a sport, it's dancing.
2) the expressed reason is woke - “more gender balanced, more youthful and more urban”.

'urban'? You can't say that any more...

1800_Ladladlad

I think this can be applied to lefty journalists and bellend with pronouns in their bio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7CxM1anfPE

EmmetSpiceland

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55186459

Might upset a few in this thread, Germany is looking to revert to their pre-Nazi era phonetic alphabet.

Gervais08

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

'urban'? You can't say that any more...

What’s the woke-English translation now?

I thought Urban was grand!!!

Biker79

Biker79 wrote: »

Yeah exactly. Basically, if you're not healthy, which is largely your immune system and its ability to fight off disease, then you don't pass your genes on to the next generation because you die - usually early in childhood.

Brutal, but after a few generations, it produces healthy populations able to thrive without much medical intervention.

Conversely, successive generations who rely on medical intervention for various illnesses become reliant on medicine to survive and thrive, thus further weakening the genome in the general population...or so the theory goes.

Really? I could have sworn populations and life expectancy stayed pretty stable between agriculture and the improvements in medicine many centuries later.

EmmetSpiceland

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Might upset a few in this thread, Germany is looking to revert to their pre-Nazi era phonetic alphabet.

What "upsets" me is that you're misrepresenting what they're doing. What they should do is revert, instead they're considering new terms. So if they put new words in rather than those removed by the Nazis then they're basically not undoing the act.

IAMAMORON

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55186459

Might upset a few in this thread, Germany is looking to revert to their pre-Nazi era phonetic alphabet.

It is a shuddering piece of Anti German propaganda if you ask me. The Brits love putting the boot in there when they can, " don't mention the war " hint hint nudge nudge wink wink. In saying that no one can argue that the Nazi's were a gang of undeniable chunts.

This is the website for the German Institute for Standardisation. English version. Worth a look, the Germans are all about perfection and getting things correct and up to standard.

https://www.din.de/en

Only in Germany would you get a website indicating accepted norms and standards.

Quantum Erasure

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55186459

Might upset a few in this thread, Germany is looking to revert to their pre-Nazi era phonetic alphabet.

Ah, bay, tsey, day, eyy, eff, GAY...

Biker79

Deleted User wrote: »

Really? I could have sworn populations and life expectancy stayed pretty stable between agriculture and the improvements in medicine many centuries later.

Lifespan has been constant whereas life expectancy has fluctuated according to the particular environment. Life expectancy as a statistic has nothing to do with how long a population would live, all things being equal.

Improvements in medicine after the industrial revolution saw a growth in population along with a parallel increase in less healthy individuals. They survived childhood due to medical assistance. Whereas, in pre-industrial times they would have been part of the 20 - to 50% child mortality rate because they weren't able to fight off illness by themselves.

Biker79

Biker79 wrote: »

Lifespan has been constant whereas life expectancy has fluctuated according to the particular environment. Life expectancy as a statistic has nothing to do with how long a population would live, all things being equal.

Improvements in medicine after the industrial revolution saw a growth in population along with a parallel increase in less healthy individuals. They survived childhood due to medical assistance. Whereas, in pre-industrial times they would have been part of the 20 - to 50% child mortality rate because they weren't able to fight off illness by themselves.

Not strictly true since you're looking at cities... but in the countryside, improvements in farming meant greater and more reliable yields, allowing for retaining more of the crops, improving their immune system, in addition to greater profits, which led to better facilities, and education leading to more awareness of medical conditions. Cities, for a rather long period in their history, grew from people moving from the countryside...

Kivaro

Netflix, and other "entertainment" companies are becoming a pain in the hole with their multitude of warnings before their shows e.g. sexual references, scenes of discrimination, a full screen warning about an episode depicting eating disorders etc. etc.
So in a movie with gruesome gore and many decapitations, there may be one sexual reference in 2 hours that you should worry about .... according to Netflix.

Just scale back on the woke alerts and go back to normal ratings e.g. adult, 16+ etc. I think that society can handle that; well, the majority can anyway.