Wokeism of the day *Revised Mod Note in OP and threadbanned users*

Nigel Fairservice

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Do you know anyone with a Doctorate who wants to be referred to as Doctor?

I worked with a woman who insisted on being called Doctor. Her email signature had Doctor in it and all her letters. Her PhD had nothing to do with her job and she wasn't using it in a professional capacity. I found it cringey. We worked with another guy who also had a PhD. He was very modest and even had a few books published. Many of our colleagues didn't know he had a PhD.

Morathi

Reminds me of back in the day, Ben Kingsley would ask people to call him Sir, after he got his knighthood (an anachronism that should be shelved imo). I think he's since stopped and apologised.

It's fiercely arrogant, and shows quite a bit of insecurity imo.

Tony EH

Gervais08 wrote: »

a black actress can play the very white Anne Boleyn

Wait, what?

EmmetSpiceland

Morathi wrote: »

Reminds me of back in the day, Ben Kingsley would ask people to call him Sir, after he got his knighthood (an anachronism that should be shelved imo). I think he's since stopped and apologised.

It's fiercely arrogant, and shows quite a bit of insecurity imo.

At least he asked. No one is required to use anyone’s title, earned or not. It’s just being polite, or “woke”.

I think there’s something about only using the “sir” title when on British soil. Could be wrong on that.

I’ve a couple of mates with PhDs, one would never use it on correspondence while the other would, always. Both apply to their fields of work but neither would introduce themselves as a “doctor”.

To be honest, considering all the effort that was put into getting it I’d be happy enough to “plaster” it everywhere and wouldn’t begrudge anyone who did.

thomasdylan

Sardonicat wrote: »

Is there a trained health professional will get you someone who is competent in CPR, which is what they're looking for if they're making an announcement like that. A nurse or paramedic will do. A Dr wont be able to do anything else on a plane and only asking for a Dr excludes any other trained professional who can do what they need. They are just trying to avoid having to do it themselves, which they have been trained to do.in any case, no health professional is obliged to volunteer and most wouldn't, for fear litigation.

You should look up Angus Wallace. Stuck a cobbled together chest drain into someone with an tension pneumothorax.

46 Long

Satire is officially dead

https://twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1339977959508226048

Morathi

You mean that satirical account? :pac: ( I jest btw)

Ash.J.Williams

Morathi wrote: »

You mean that satirical account? :pac:

She/he catches everyone out

Morathi

I do love that account. It's depressing and hilarious how prescient he's been.

46 Long

Morathi wrote: »

You mean that satirical account? :pac: ( I jest btw)

No, I mean the concept in general, at least in a woke context. I don't think it's possible to satirize a world view that lambasts Hellen Keller for her 'white privilege'.

the purple tin

46 Long wrote: »

No, I mean the concept in general, at least in a woke context. I don't think it's possible to satirize a world view that lambasts Hellen Keller for her 'white privilege'.

That's true. Nobody could write funnier material than Trump.
It had got to the point where those US comedy news shows like Kimmel etc. were just more or less reporting what he said and did.

99nsr125

the purple tin wrote: »

One of the most played-out US TV and film tropes of the last decade or two.
Overweight, aggressive black lady. She is usually a receptionist or somebody dealing with the public and is always really rude to customers.
Stock catchphrases include:

'Oh Hell, No!'
'Oh no you didn't!'

Scrubs

Biker79

46 Long wrote: »

Titania McGrath

Wonder if she has a nickname.

olestoepoke

46 Long wrote: »

Satire is officially dead

https://twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1339977959508226048

Surely thats a wind up?

Sardonicat

olestoepoke wrote: »

Surely thats a wind up?

Soot is racist?

olestoepoke

Sardonicat wrote: »

Soot is racist?

Soot?

Tony EH

olestoepoke wrote: »

Soot?

He was a little bigot.

Sardonicat

Sardonicat wrote: »

Soot is racist?

In the above quoted tweet, Julie Andrews is lambasted for taking part in black face for having soot on her face in a performance of a song about chimney sweeps in the film Mary Poppns. Chimney sweeps tended to get a covered in soot when carrying out there work, but that seems to be lost on the tweeter, unless that is a parody account. Please let that be parody.

Sardonicat

Tony EH wrote: »

He was a little bigot.

No, it was Sweep. Named after a trade renowned for donning black face.

Sir Oxman

Titania McGrath is a *parody account (frequently the account is taken down by Twitter due to complaints by humourless right-ons then reinstated) created by Andrew Doyle.
The newspaper articles quoted etc aren't parody!

*Juts for anyone who doesn't know about Titania.

Tony EH

How anyone doesn't know that that account is pure parody is a truly scary thing.

Sardonicat

Tony EH wrote: »

How anyone doesn't know that that account is pure parody is a truly scary thing.

As pointed out above, while the account is parody the articles it posts are real.

JPCN1

Morathi wrote: »

Reminds me of back in the day, Ben Kingsley would ask people to call him Sir, after he got his knighthood (an anachronism that should be shelved imo). I think he's since stopped and apologised.

It's fiercely arrogant, and shows quite a bit of insecurity imo.

I think crews referred to him as Sir King Bensley.

CtevenSrowder

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Wait, is it now considered “woke” for those with doctorates be referred to as doctor?

I don't think it's considered woke, but as was pointed out earlier, there is the unwritten rule that the title is reserved for MDs and not academics in other disciplines. The one I find is that this so called woke brigade, on Twitter, usually have PhD after their name on Twitter, usually followed by their pronouns.

Danzy

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

I don't think it's considered woke, but as was pointed out earlier, there is the unwritten rule that the title is reserved for MDs and not academics in other disciplines. The one I find is that this so called woke brigade, on Twitter, usually have PhD after their name on Twitter, usually followed by their pronouns.

Never heard that. Given she worked in education, it is very common to have academic titles used. It's the norm in fact.

Danzy

Tony EH wrote: »

How anyone doesn't know that that account is pure parody is a truly scary thing.

Titania McGrath used be satire but is a moderate these days.

ShagNastii

https://youtu.be/YRsf6by2NhI

Another one of those parodies that is so good it could be real.

Sir Oxman

Just to push the Titania love

"The Votes of Black Americans Should Count Twice
Vote reparations would empower us to replace oppressive institutions with life-affirming structures of equality."

https://twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1340542236954660866?s=20

ExMachina1000

46 Long wrote: »

Satire is officially dead

https://twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1339977959508226048

https://twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1339978020556316673?s=20

Keep pushing

IAMAMORON

Titania is a forward thinking counter culture wokephobe.

As a unit of confined solidarity we can finally put a stop to her antisocial pedantic prophecies and leanings, together we can mismanage her aspersions.

Technopaganism is a modern philosophic quagmire poisoning the minds of our children,neighbours and our polarised cultural oppressors.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/-brexit-shows-democracy-doesn-t-work-an-interview-with-titania-mcgrath

Dyr

https://nypost.com/2020/12/19/professor-gets-heat-after-saying-whiter-elderly-should-wait-for-vaccine/

There is no middle ground now.


“Older populations are whiter, ” Harald Schmidt told the New York Times. “Society is structured in a way that enables them to live longer. Instead of giving additional health benefits to those who already had more of them, we can start to level the playing field a bit.”

Bambi

Bambi wrote: »

https://nypost.com/2020/12/19/professor-gets-heat-after-saying-whiter-elderly-should-wait-for-vaccine/

There is no middle ground now.


“Older populations are whiter, ” Harald Schmidt told the New York Times. “Society is structured in a way that enables them to live longer. Instead of giving additional health benefits to those who already had more of them, we can start to level the playing field a bit.”

He may be correct in saying that health care workers should be vaccinated first, but for completely the wrong reasons.

Health care workers who are vaccinated are less likely to be carriers, thus protecting more vulnerable people.

To bring in race to a purely medical issue, is wrong on all counts.

silverharp

made me laugh , fun that it will be hitting the class of people that are the most woke (at least in public)

https://twitter.com/SwipeWright/status/1340199529891549184

biko

Deleted User wrote: »

Health care workers who are vaccinated are less likely to be carriers, thus protecting more vulnerable people.

There is currently no support for this statement.

The new vaccines will probably prevent you from getting sick with Covid.
No one knows yet whether they will keep you from spreading the virus to others — but that information is coming.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/08/health/covid-vaccine-mask.html

Danzy

silverharp wrote: »

made me laugh , fun that it will be hitting the class of people that are the most woke (at least in public)

https://twitter.com/SwipeWright/status/1340199529891549184

The richer the student body the more woke and radical left it is.

I remember a time when being left wasn't a signifier of class wealth

54k a year tuition fee for a primary school, no wonder they are so woke

the purple tin

silverharp wrote: »

made me laugh , fun that it will be hitting the class of people that are the most woke (at least in public)

https://twitter.com/SwipeWright/status/1340199529891549184

Whackos have been doing this throughout history. Indoctrinate and brainwash the children and in 10 or 15 years you will have your own personal army.

RLF71

Whatever happened to common sense and good manners? Is that still a thing or am I that old now? That is has all been replaced by this BS we know now as being Woke? How soft younger generations are becoming. They are ruining their own future and yet blaming the past how distorted it is in their eyes. And all the media on the bandwagon for ratings. There will be no end to it now.

RLF71

RLF71 wrote: »

Whatever happened to common sense and good manners? Is that still a thing or am I that old now? That is has all been replaced by this BS we know now as being Woke? How soft younger generations are becoming. They are ruining their own future and yet blaming the past how distorted it is in their eyes. And all the media on the bandwagon for ratings. There will be no end to it now.

Common sense must give way when people are increasingly becoming more sensitive to criticism, and/or perceived offensive behavior.

Dunno if it's that younger generations are becoming soft. I've found a lot of people my own generation (mid 40s) are buying into this attitude of being offended, and showing less patience towards others.

It won't end until there is a major pushback, but I don't really see that happening for another decade or more. It will become a lot worse, before it starts to become better.

Omackeral

Black people must’ve been the only oppressed people ever?

RLF71

Omackeral wrote: »

Black people must’ve been the only oppressed people ever?

They weren't really. In America the Chinese were oppressed and exploited into building the railroad system. The Irish coming off the boats were enlisted in the Union army on arrival during the Civil War.

EmmetSpiceland

RLF71 wrote: »

They weren't really. In America the Chinese were oppressed and exploited into building the railroad system. The Irish coming off the boats were enlisted in the Union army on arrival during the Civil War.

Both we’re paid, in some form. Cant really compare that to black slavery.

Wibbs

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Is that why all the mixed race couples in advertising and TV shows are a black/brown man with a white woman and never the other way around?

There seem to be a few reasons for this. Black women are nearly as "invisible" as White men in the woke narrative and certainly in the wider culture reflected in marketing. African American women commentators on this sorta thing have long noted this. While in that culture the Black man is both feared and fetishised in about equal measure the Black woman is either not present or a figure of fun. Hell, you even see this in US produced porn. Look for interracial and it's almost entirely Black bloke with as White a women as possible. Black women are also seen as less "saleable", less "attractive" than White women when selling to a majority White audience. They're perceived as less attractive full stop. Even famous Black women are regularly photoshopped to have paler skin and when was the last time you saw a Black women in the media with her natural afro hair? White men are of course the oppressor/coloniser stand in so him being seen with a Black women would be grating for some. Also a White woman with "jungle fever" is more palatable than the other way around. So a couple where he's White and she's Black wrinkles noses on a few levels and that's mainly why you don't see them in my humble.

Omackeral

Omackeral wrote: »

Black people must’ve been the only oppressed people ever?

They're the most oppressed because it happened in the US. The millions working on colonial plantations or such in Asia, or S.America don't count because they weren't brought into a western nation. As such, everyone else gets a back seat in claiming victimhood. That slavery and oppression existed long before white people appeared in Africa, or pretty much everywhere, doesn't matter. It only matters that there are African Americans in America today.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

46 Long wrote: »

Satire is officially dead

https://twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1339977959508226048

I’ve actually been blocked by Andrew Doyle, the Titania McGrath creator, on Twitter. And I was somebody who really enjoyed his comic output and pretty much all his tweets. But when he meets with mild disagreement, he’s quite liberal with the ol’ block tool. He was quite testy in our exchange and I found that surprising for somebody who rails against wokeness and the intolerance that comes with it. He’s pretty intolerant of viewpoints that challenge his, for all his posturing. My tweet that he initially took issue with was really quite mild. I was surprised at his response.

Omackeral

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I’ve actually been blocked by Andrew Doyle, the Titania McGrath creator, on Twitter. And I was somebody who really enjoyed his comic output and pretty much all his tweets. But when he meets with mild disagreement, he’s quite liberal with the ol’ block tool. He was quite testy in our exchange and I found that surprising for somebody who rails against wokeness and the intolerance that comes with it. He’s pretty intolerant of viewpoints that challenge his, for all his posturing. My tweet that he initially took issue with was really quite mild. I was surprised at his response.

Any chance of some context here? Interesting post.

Sir Oxman

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I’ve actually been blocked by Andrew Doyle, the Titania McGrath creator, on Twitter. And I was somebody who really enjoyed his comic output and pretty much all his tweets. But when he meets with mild disagreement, he’s quite liberal with the ol’ block tool. He was quite testy in our exchange and I found that surprising for somebody who rails against wokeness and the intolerance that comes with it. He’s pretty intolerant of viewpoints that challenge his, for all his posturing. My tweet that he initially took issue with was really quite mild. I was surprised at his response.

When I was on Twitter, before I got sense I had a to and fro with him over Brexit (I can't remember the exact point, it was nearly two years ago) and he was nothing but patient and courteous!

Tony EH

Deleted User wrote: »

Common sense must give way when people are increasingly becoming more sensitive to criticism, and/or perceived offensive behavior.

Dunno if it's that younger generations are becoming soft. I've found a lot of people my own generation (mid 40s) are buying into this attitude of being offended, and showing less patience towards others.

It won't end until there is a major pushback, but I don't really see that happening for another decade or more. It will become a lot worse, before it starts to become better.

It's weaponised "offence". It's just a method of closing something down before it snowballs to a point where a person has to adjust their ideas and thought processes. It just a debate tactic and one that's easily negotiated by saying "Fine, you're offended".

The problem here is not that people are using a particular method to offset an argument, it's that being wrong has somehow become the most abhorrent thing one can be. This isn't helped, of course, by others employing another conversational tactic, the falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus method, whereby, the accusation of being wrong once means that you're wrong in everything else.

Being wrong is a natural state of being. I'd say we're wrong about 80% of the time, either in part or in whole. But that's how we learn. The thing is you have to allow yourself to learn from mistakes and that's the real trick.

Of course, certain views are no longer tolerated and shouldn't be, like racist ones, because A. they're baloney and B. we have ample evidence of where such thinking can lead and it ain't pretty. So, there's rightfully a lid placed on that type of hair brained gibberish.

Being "offended" is an easy conversational tactic to employ, but as said earlier, it's also easy to get around. If you're offended, you're offended. Now what?

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115673646&postcount=8114

How does someone end up with one white hand and one brown hand????

Tony EH

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I’ve actually been blocked by Andrew Doyle, the Titania McGrath creator, on Twitter. And I was somebody who really enjoyed his comic output and pretty much all his tweets. But when he meets with mild disagreement, he’s quite liberal with the ol’ block tool. He was quite testy in our exchange and I found that surprising for somebody who rails against wokeness and the intolerance that comes with it. He’s pretty intolerant of viewpoints that challenge his, for all his posturing. My tweet that he initially took issue with was really quite mild. I was surprised at his response.

Mmmm...quite often I've found that those who constantly rail against "wokeness" are one's that get quite het up themselves over the mildest of disagreements.

Frankly, I don't know who's worse. The so called "woke" crowd or the ones that constantly bleat on and on about it.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Omackeral wrote: »

Any chance of some context here? Interesting post.

So if I recall, he posted an article by some journalist where she said that little girls who weren’t into girly things were way less boring. My response was a comment on the article, not him. It was along the lines of “Oh, that’s weird judging kids in that way” because I do think it’s kind of strange to write off tiny humans as boring or not based on the things they are into. He was straight in saying “That’s that writer’s PREFERENCE, I find it weird that somebody’s opinion would upset you”. Me: “I’m not upset. This person wrote an article for public consumption and I, a member of the public, am flapping my gums about it”. Him “Yes, but why get upset about somebody’s preference?” and it went on like that back and forth for a while. I did say I thought it was would be pretty odd for an adult to have a rigid preference for how they like children to act. I believe I was blocked not long after that.

But anyway, I thought his response was a bit disproportionate. I mean, why feckin’ comment on anyone’s expressed opinion in that case? And the idea that I was upset by the journalist’s article. I wasn’t, I was just commenting on it.

I’ve seen him block people for saying that he only really has one joke. That joke can be frequently funny but they’re kinda right there. It’s kinda mean to say that to him but I guess I expect comedians to be way more thick-skinned than that.