Wokeism of the day *Revised Mod Note in OP and threadbanned users*

Biker79

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Yes I do.

My brother was paid to do his phd in computer engineering. But they owned his research. the patent like

It was part-owned by a company and part-owned by the uni.

Many adjunct professors actually ...are not paid by unis ...but by companies.

You get lots of masters that are doing testing on components for companies etc.

Sure, they will pay for subjects that they will get a return on - like CS.

Can't see any company paying for a post-grad in whining though. In fact, the diversity consultants I have seen have been contracted staff paid to provide a few presentations so that HR can tick a box saying ' diversity training completed '

Anyway, going well off topic...

ILoveYourVibes

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Thats true, much better to keep our legal eagles rolling in it with appeal after appeal than help verified refugees....

Well this is true.

ILoveYourVibes

Biker79 wrote: »

Sure, they will pay for subjects that they will get a return on - like CS.

Can't see any company paying for a post-grad in whining though. In fact, the diversity consultants I have seen have been contracted staff paid to provide a few presentations so that HR can tick a box saying ' diversity training completed '

Anyway, going well off topic...

What is his phd in?

Quantum Erasure

Chaucer to be scrapped as University of Leicester 'decolonises' curriculum

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/chaucer-to-be-scrapped-as-british-university-decolonises-curriculum-20210121-p56vrn.html

Management told the English department that courses on canonical works would be dropped in favour of modules that "students expect" as part of plans now under consultation.

Foundational texts such asThe Canterbury Tales and the Anglo-Saxon epic Beowulf would no longer be taught, under proposals to scrap medieval literature.
New modules described as "excitingly innovative" would cover: "A chronological literary history, a selection of modules on race, ethnicity, sexuality and diversity, a decolonised curriculum, and new employability modules."

well, at least they're including employability modules, whatever they'll consist of

ILoveYourVibes

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

Chaucer to be scrapped as University of Leicester 'decolonises' curriculum

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/chaucer-to-be-scrapped-as-british-university-decolonises-curriculum-20210121-p56vrn.html



well, at least they're including employability modules, whatever they'll consist of

Chaucer is a load of .....i mean its a class social studies students take on the side tbh

Danzy

silverharp wrote: »

Science and maths is racist, m'kay

https://twitter.com/JonathanTurley/status/1353338791004614656

The modern left is going through a Red Guard, Year Zero period of madness.

ILoveYourVibes

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

This is silly.

Whenever someone takes a place in uni or a job someone else loses out.

Everyone takes someone else's place.

The difference being that the acceptance into the PHD program would be based on their performance, the interview, and such. It's a relatively level playing field which people can prepare for because the requirements are generally well known..

When the place is given out to a failed Asylum seeker, how can others compete?

EmmetSpiceland

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Chaucer is a load of .....i mean its a class social studies students take on the side tbh

Ah, there’s some gems in ‘The Canterbury Tales’, I. They could have just said they were “modernising” the course.

ILoveYourVibes

Deleted User wrote: »

The difference being that the acceptance into the PHD program would be based on their performance,

Its also based on academic connections.

ILoveYourVibes

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Ah, there’s some gems in ‘The Canterbury Tales’, I. They could have just said they were “modernising” the course.

Don't mind me i am a peasant! :P

Danzy

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Don't mind me i am a peasant! :P

No one progressive is a peasant.

Minor nobility, Merchant class or a Church Deacon and up.

ILoveYourVibes

Biker79 wrote: »

PhD in 'Education, Language, culture, and teaching' ...in one instance.

The other was a masters in something similar. Not sure exactly.

what language?

ILoveYourVibes

Danzy wrote: »

No one progressive is a peasant.

Minor nobility, Merchant class or a Church Deacon and up.

Awh you are so sweet.

I don't deserve you so i don't.

:P

I am a Church Deacon!

Quantum Erasure

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

what language?

C++

ILoveYourVibes

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

C++

AHHHH

Computer languages ....i am not smart enough for them!

Quantum Erasure

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

AHHHH

Computer languages ....i am not smart enough for them!

im only takin the piss...

The PHd he was accepted onto is titled

"Institutionalized inhumanity: Direct Provision & the Threshold of Inhuman Treatment"


jhgf

ILoveYourVibes

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Its also based on academic connections.

nvm. Probably best to just move on, since the previous point has been made repeatedly already.

ILoveYourVibes

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes, of course. But again, these are measurable/known requirements depending on the PHD course in question. As such, candidates compete by preparing themselves in the best possible ways to obtain the position.

When all of that is bypassed by a university choosing to 'virtue signal' by giving a place to a failed asylum seeker, another person who may have applied for the position, will have missed out. Another person who has likely invested a lot of time in preparing for their application, since such positions are limited.

I see it differently ..and as we are unlikely to see eye to eye ...its useless really to continue.

Quantum Erasure

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

Chaucer to be scrapped as University of Leicester 'decolonises' curriculum

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/chaucer-to-be-scrapped-as-british-university-decolonises-curriculum-20210121-p56vrn.html



well, at least they're including employability modules, whatever they'll consist of

How is Chaucer or any of the old or mediaeval English stuff "colonisation". It was long before the colonial era. What it is of course is difficult, and that is the problem.

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Chaucer is a load of .....i mean its a class social studies students take on the side tbh

Its mostly taught as part of a classical English language education. It is still taught like that in many universities. Not really social studies.

EmmetSpiceland

[Deleted User] wrote: »

How is Chaucer or any of the old English stuff "colonisation". It was long before the colonial era. What it is of course is difficult, and that is the problem.

Haha, Chaucer isn’t “difficult”! ‘The Canterbury Tales’, that is.

Some parts can drag on but it’s certainly not as boring as, say, Langland’s ‘Piers Plowman’. But you couldn’t, really, call that “difficult” either.

ILoveYourVibes

Deleted User wrote: »

Its mostly taught as part of a classical English language education. It is still taught like that in many universities. Not really social studies.

Its something that they take though. Trust me.

ILoveYourVibes

This thread just comes off as a load of bitter people dumbing on this guy for doing the best who could with his life

Begrudgery.

ILoveYourVibes

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I see it differently ..and as we are unlikely to see eye to eye ...its useless really to continue.

Pretty much.

EmmetSpiceland

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Haha, Chaucer isn’t “difficult”! ‘The Canterbury Tales’, that is.

Some parts can drag on but it’s certainly not as boring as, say, Langland’s ‘Piers Plowman’. But you couldn’t, really, call that “difficult” either.

It's probably more difficult than grievance studies. Or course both medieval texts and old English in particular are going to be difficult for people coming in with a fairly weak A level, which might also be the reason.

ILoveYourVibes

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

This thread just comes off as a load of bitter people dumbing on this guy for doing the best who could with his life

Begrudgery.

I thought you were going to leave it? :rolleyes:

It's not "begrudgery". It's nothing to do with envy. It's feeling that the person doesn't deserve the place.

He failed his asylum application, and since he's gotten this position, he will be allowed to stay, and likely receive funding/supports (since he's apparently poor) to provide for him while he's here.

I feel that the position and funding would be better given to either an Irish native, a European, or an approved asylum seeker. You feel different. Grand.

EmmetSpiceland

https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-40213340.html

“Thousands of Brazilians have taken to the streets for a second day to call for the impeachment of President Jair Bolsonaro, who is under fire for his government’s response to coronavirus which has killed more than 216,000 people in the country.”

Annasopra

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-40213340.html

“Thousands of Brazilians have taken to the streets for a second day to call for the impeachment of President Jair Bolsonaro, who is under fire for his government’s response to coronavirus which has killed more than 216,000 people in the country.”

How is that woke?

ILoveYourVibes

Deleted User wrote: »

I thought you were going to leave it? :rolleyes:

It's not "begrudgery". It's nothing to do with envy. It's feeling that the person doesn't deserve the place.

You think another inhumane phd student was lining up behind him? Doesn't seem like there would be many to take it away from.

Lots of people don't deserve their success and lots of people who don't have success deserve it.

Shrug.


Maybe he just deserved it in a diff way.

Give a guy a break dude.

Rothko

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

How is that woke?

He has no idea what woke is.

ILoveYourVibes

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

You think another inhumane phd student was lining up behind him? Doesn't seem like there would be many to take it away from.

Based on what? Courses that lack students don't stay on a program for long. So, it makes more sense that there would be other students aiming to take the position, and probably waiting on responses to their own applications.

Lots of people don't deserve their success and lots of people who don't have success deserve it.

Shrug.

What success? He got a Masters through a scholarship in South Africa. That's the only success I see so far. He got refused on his asylum application. So... where's the success? Oh! you mean being successful in bypassing our immigration system. Yeah..

Maybe he just deserved it in a diff way.

Give a guy a break dude.

Why should I? Had he been accepted under the Asylum process, I'd have no issue with the university or government providing the place and funding for his PHD (although I think the course itself is inappropriate, and will just lead to a more divided society in the future).

IAMAMORON

I don't understand how his failed asylum application should have any relevance to the university awarding him the opportunity to do the PhD.

I recognise the behemoth controversial elephant in the room there, but it is the prerogative of the university to offer the PhD.

I still cannot respect persons disrespecting his right to apply, for asylum or for a place in college. It is no one elses' business.

Hellokitty1212

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I don't understand how his failed asylum application should have any relevance to the university awarding him the opportunity to do the PhD.

I recognise the behemoth controversial elephant in the room there, but it is the prerogative of the university to offer the PhD.

I still cannot respect persons disrespecting his right to apply, for asylum or for a place in college. It is no one elses' business.

Because a failed application for asylum should be followed by a swift deportation.

NewMan1982

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I don't understand how his failed asylum application should have any relevance to the university awarding him the opportunity to do the PhD.

I recognise the behemoth controversial elephant in the room there, but it is the prerogative of the university to offer the PhD.

I still cannot respect persons disrespecting his right to apply, for asylum or for a place in college. It is no one elses' business.

If his asylum has been rejected then he is not a legal citizen.
I am assuming the Irish state will not be on the hook for an expenses whatsoever for someone who has been refused entry?

If his PHD is costing the state money then Im absolutely opposed to it. If he is not costing the state money then my other objection would be if an Irish citizen had applied and was refused.

There is plenty of legal citizens that we could fund in their endeavours.

Zebra3

Deleted User wrote: »

How is Chaucer or any of the old or mediaeval English stuff "colonisation". It was long before the colonial era.

English colonialism started long before Chaucer was born with Wales.

Zebra3

Zebra3 wrote: »

English colonialism started long before Chaucer was born with Wales.

Leading up to the mediaeval period "England" was being invaded by numerous European tribes, Vikings, Anglo Saxons Normans , even the Irish invaded Scotland. The invaders of Wales were the Normans who were at the time still rulers of the Anglo Saxons who had invaded centuries earlier.

COVID

Deleted User wrote: »

Leading up to the mediaeval period "England" was being invaded by numerous European tribes, Vikings, Anglo Saxons Normans , even the Irish invaded Scotland. The invaders of Wales were the Normans who were at the time still rulers of the Anglo Saxons who had invaded centuries earlier.

''Woke-ism of the day''

DelaneyIn

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I don't understand how his failed asylum application should have any relevance to the university awarding him the opportunity to do the PhD.

Because the whole reason this bum is in the country is on the back of his bogus asylum claim.

Rothko

Rothko wrote: »

He has no idea what woke is.

To "put" it "mildly"

It might not be immediately clear but even the fact that TUD are offering such a PhD is a good example, symptom and cause of the woke nonsense. If only ITs were focussed on industry and practical education.

Strumms

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I don't understand how his failed asylum application should have any relevance to the university awarding him the opportunity to do the PhD.

I recognise the behemoth controversial elephant in the room there, but it is the prerogative of the university to offer the PhD.

I still cannot respect persons disrespecting his right to apply, for asylum or for a place in college. It is no one elses' business.

He can apply for asylum...where if successful he can be offered safety, accommodation and healthcare... free gratis.... that costs tens of thousands per individual accepted over a year.. we the citizens pay for that...should we also see an Irish person overlooked for that place in third level in addition to the tens of thousands we pay for the upkeep and comforts of said individual ? No chance should we do that...

NewMan1982

It’s probably time to move on from the PHD issue. We aren’t going to agree on it.

stefanovich

Zebra3 wrote: »

English colonialism started long before Chaucer was born with Wales.

Colonialism - A word used by some to justify denial of UK citizens' rights.

paw patrol

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I still cannot respect persons disrespecting his right to apply, for asylum or for a place in college. It is no one elses' business.

unless he has a benevolent sponspor - we are paying for it
so it is our business. very much so.
This was sneaky way to circumvent our process

NewMan1982 wrote: »

If his asylum has been rejected then he is not a legal citizen.
I am assuming the Irish state will not be on the hook for an expenses whatsoever for someone who has been refused entry?

If his PHD is costing the state money then Im absolutely opposed to it. If he is not costing the state money then my other objection would be if an Irish citizen had applied and was refused.

There is plenty of legal citizens that we could fund in their endeavours.

agreed
and what a fcuking course too - a PHd in white man bad
what is he gonna do with that but sit on an NGO or a university sucking more taxpayers money from our childrens hospitals.

Esho

Danzy wrote: »

The modern left is going through a Red Guard, Year Zero period of madness.

Yes, because they cant do f all about zero hours contracts and so much cheap work

IAMAMORON

Strumms wrote: »

He can apply for asylum...where if successful he can be offered safety, accommodation and healthcare... free gratis.... that costs tens of thousands per individual accepted over a year.. we the citizens pay for that...should we also see an Irish person overlooked for that place in third level in addition to the tens of thousands we pay for the upkeep and comforts of said individual ? No chance should we do that...

More begrudgery.

This nonsense about a few grand for an asylum seeker to do a PhD... as if he is making the country broke.

Oh , and ... some poor little Irish student didn't get a course as result, oh no?

" overlooked " - how destitute.

The plight of the modern Irish student, the neglection onset by the scourge parasite of the foreign student, taking all our college places.

AdrianBalboa

IAMAMORON wrote: »

More begrudgery.

This nonsense about a few grand for an asylum seeker to do a PhD... as if he is making the country broke.

Oh , and ... some poor little Irish student didn't get a course as result, oh no?

" overlooked " - how destitute.

The plight of the modern Irish student, the neglection onset by the scourge parasite of the foreign student, taking all our college places.

It’s interesting that the kind of people who moan about any of kind of positive discrimination ie hiring more women in management positions are also the same kind of people who think university places should be kept only for Irish people.

AdrianBalboa

I love the way the core objection has been consistently ignored. That the person was refused Asylum, but giving him this course position, allows him to stay in the country. And since he's poor, the University or the government will have to provide a standard of living for him in Dublin.

Instead, we get a ream of posters who try to guilt posters into agreeing that "it's a good thing". Typical woke nonsense. If you disagree with the virtue signalling, then you're a bad person, begrudging the success of others.

AdrianBalboa wrote:

It’s interesting that the kind of people who moan about any of kind of positive discrimination ie hiring more women in management positions are also the same kind of people who think university places should be kept only for Irish people.

And you're basing this on what?

CarProblem

AdrianBalboa wrote: »

It’s interesting that the kind of people who moan about any of kind of positive discrimination ie hiring more women in management positions

Who "moans" about more women in management positions? If the person being hired/promoted is the best/most suitable applicant go for it (regardless of gender, race etc)

I'm not claiming my cohort of friends, colleagues, acquaintances are representative of the Irish population but I know a grand total of zero women in favour of gender quotas. I would often hear words to the effect of "I'd be mortified if I only got my position due to being a woman"

CarProblem

Deleted User wrote: »

And you're basing this on what?

Tbh I always assumed the poster in question was a WUM

IAMAMORON

CarProblem wrote: »

Who "moans" about more women in management positions?

Well if I am being really really honest ......

Only messing girls , cheeky smiley face