Wokeism of the day *Revised Mod Note in OP and threadbanned users*

Necro

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Sorcha Dhuisigh _She_Her_, that's quite enough trolling for one day out of you. Don't post in this thread again

biko

twitter. com/Lanarkshire_Pol/status/1358734342684610560?s=19

RIP sir Tom, but to be arrested for a tweet?

Invidious

Deleted User wrote: »

That's one of the core problems with woke-ism: namely, that comments otherwise considered objectionable are now becoming increasingly considered criminal.

This is a shocking development.

Agreed.

The woke want to create credible fear that any objectionable, derogatory or off-colour remark will result in criminal charges -- and thus make people afraid to speak their minds in the first place. Authoritarian movements (of which wokeness is one) have long used such tactics to suppress dissent.

We urgently need greater protections around free speech. Unless it's a clear case of threats, incitement to violence, etc., nobody should ever have the police knocking on their door over an "objectionable Tweet."

biko

biko wrote: »

twitter. com/Lanarkshire_Pol/status/1358734342684610560?s=19

RIP sir Tom, but to be arrested for a tweet?

Ironic when you consider that he and most WWII fought to allow free speech.


I agree that the tweet was offensive, but to arrest someone for that is OTT, he should have simply been left to see the negative responses it deserved.

MisterAnarchy

Invidious wrote: »

Ridiculous that someone is facing charges over this.

We could see something similar here in the future with the proposed Hate Speech legislation.

Scotland is trying to pass a controversial Hate Crime Bill
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18844317.warning-hate-crime-bill-will-make-offence-insult/

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

46 Long wrote: »

Tesco have boxes of sanitary towels for as little as €0.45

If a household cannot afford that it would raise serious doubts on the parents ability to provide food, schoolbooks and other basic toiletries such as toothbrushes, soap, shower gel etc.

It sure does. There are welfare worries there but the immediate issue has to be dealt with. Personal hygiene is really important.

COVID

COVID wrote: »

The generosity of spirit on this thread is truly overwhelming.

We went through the exact same discussion a few pages back, and various people supported it. Myself included, since I don't believe it should be a worry/concern in a first world nation, considering the crap the government already spends on. Subsidizing tampons to make it easier for people to avail of wouldn't be a bad thing.

Now... on the other hand, I probably wouldn't be the most generous of spirit on a wide range of other topics.

Mike Murdock

Invidious wrote: »

Ridiculous that someone is facing charges over this.

Huge swathes of the British public revere their Armed Forces. And particularly a decorated veteran like Tom Moore. You can't say a word against them.

It is not ridiculous in that context.

Necro

Mod:

Can we leave the discussion of Travellers and the Roma out of this thread folks - as with all discussions that go in that direction it will inevitably end in the thread being shut down because people are unable to be civil.

It's completely off topic in any case.

Mike Murdock

Mike Murdock wrote: »

Huge swathes of the British public revere their Armed Forces. And particularly a decorated veteran like Tom Moore. You can't say a word against them.

It is not ridiculous in that context.

It's still nuts. It gives the police/govt license to arrest people for anything deemed offensive online. I had a look at the tweet. I've seen far worse on the Trump threads on CA.

People complain about the PRC control over their domestic internet, and social media.. and yet, that's where we're going with Western laws/arrests over internet speech/behavior. Maybe not immediately, but within 20 years, I doubt there will be much freedom on the internet unless it matches the approved outlook.

Necro

Necro wrote: »

Mod:

Can we leave the discussion of Travellers and the Roma out of this thread folks - as with all discussions that go in that direction it will inevitably end in the thread being shut down because people are unable to be civil.

It's completely off topic in any case.

okie dokie.

Invidious

Deleted User wrote: »

People complain about the PRC control over their domestic internet, and social media.. and yet, that's where we're going with Western laws/arrests over internet speech/behavior. Maybe not immediately, but within 20 years, I doubt there will be much freedom on the internet unless it matches the approved outlook.

With this cancel culture, insanely overbroad "hate speech" laws, and so on, I think we're seeing the rise of a culture where many more people will actively use cryptography and pseudonyms to prevent reprisal against their real-world identities. I think we'll still have a free internet, but it will be a very different environment where people will carefully separate their offline and online identities.

If 50% of teenagers in Ireland are living in such crippling poverty that their families can't pay for tampons/towels then tbh the country is completely ****ed.
If.

Dr. Bre

[Deleted User] wrote: »

okie dokie.

Okie wokie

Danzy

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

Free speech campaigners today blasted Police Scotland over its decision to charge a man over an offensive tweet about Captain Sir Tom Moore.

A Police Scotland spokeswoman said: "On Friday 5 February 2021, we received a report of an offensive tweet about Sir Captain Tom Moore who died on Tuesday 2 February.

"A 35-year-old man has subsequently been arrested and charged in connection with communication offences and is due to appear at Lanark Sheriff Court on Wednesday 17 February."

A tweet sent shortly after war hero's death last Tuesday read: 'The only good Brit soldier is a deed one, burn auld fella, buuuuurn.'

The Sturgeon wing if the SNP is going down a very righteous and holy path, a new Kirk.

Hope they don't blow it with this bull.

It was crass and inappropriate but it's not an arrestable offence, that's real tin pot dictatorship stuff.

Dyr

Invidious wrote: »

With this cancel culture, insanely overbroad "hate speech" laws, and so on, I think we're seeing the rise of a culture where many more people will actively use cryptography and pseudonyms to prevent reprisal against their real-world identities. I think we'll still have a free internet, but it will be a very different environment where people will carefully separate their offline and online identities.

When the internet first came about people instictively knew that exposing your true identity to the world forever was a bad idea so they didnt. It took some evil marketing to normalise to the detriment of society.

Speaking of evil:

stefanovich

Bambi wrote: »

When the internet first came about people instictively knew that exposing your true identity to the world forever was a bad idea so they didnt. It took some evil marketing to normalise to the detriment of society.

Speaking of evil:

What's a unwoman?

AllForIt

stefanovich wrote: »

What's a unwoman?

That's a woman on the outside but a man on the inside.

Invidious

Another woke purge at the New York Times, where science writer Donald McNeil, who was being considered for a Pulitzer for his reporting on Covid-19, has been ousted following weeks of manufactured outrage about allegedly racist language he used on a student trip to Peru in 2019.

His crime? Referring to the n-word while discussing the rights and wrongs of suspending a 12-year-old from school for saying it.

Although the newspaper initially investigated and disciplined McNeil, it found that "it did not appear that his intentions were hateful or malicious." Then, over 150 other staff turned on him, writing an open letter saying that "we have given a prominent platform – a critical beat covering a pandemic disproportionately affecting people of color – to someone who chose to use language that is offensive and unacceptable by any newsroom's standards."

Journalists are regularly being purged from the NYT now ... it has become the epicenter of US media wokeness.

Hande hoche!

Invidious wrote: »

Another woke purge at the New York Times, where science writer Donald McNeil, who was being considered for a Pulitzer for his reporting on Covid-19, has been ousted following weeks of manufactured outrage about allegedly racist language he used on a student trip to Peru in 2019.

His crime? Referring to the n-word while discussing the rights and wrongs of suspending a 12-year-old from school for saying it.

Although the newspaper initially investigated and disciplined McNeil, it found that "it did not appear that his intentions were hateful or malicious." Then, over 150 other staff turned on him, writing an open letter saying that "we have given a prominent platform – a critical beat covering a pandemic disproportionately affecting people of color – to someone who chose to use language that is offensive and unacceptable by any newsroom's standards."

Journalists are regularly being purged from the NYT now ... it has become the epicenter of US media wokeness.

Worth mentioning that he was at the paper since 1976.

ExMachina1000

Invidious wrote: »

Another woke purge at the New York Times, where science writer Donald McNeil, who was being considered for a Pulitzer for his reporting on Covid-19, has been ousted following weeks of manufactured outrage about allegedly racist language he used on a student trip to Peru in 2019.

His crime? Referring to the n-word while discussing the rights and wrongs of suspending a 12-year-old from school for saying it.

Although the newspaper initially investigated and disciplined McNeil, it found that "it did not appear that his intentions were hateful or malicious." Then, over 150 other staff turned on him, writing an open letter saying that "we have given a prominent platform – a critical beat covering a pandemic disproportionately affecting people of color – to someone who chose to use language that is offensive and unacceptable by any newsroom's standards."

Journalists are regularly being purged from the NYT now ... it has become the epicenter of US media wokeness.

Such a sad end to an illustrious career.

Wokeism and those you bring it must be resisted

keano_afc

Invidious wrote: »

Another woke purge at the New York Times, where science writer Donald McNeil, who was being considered for a Pulitzer for his reporting on Covid-19, has been ousted following weeks of manufactured outrage about allegedly racist language he used on a student trip to Peru in 2019.

His crime? Referring to the n-word while discussing the rights and wrongs of suspending a 12-year-old from school for saying it.

Although the newspaper initially investigated and disciplined McNeil, it found that "it did not appear that his intentions were hateful or malicious." Then, over 150 other staff turned on him, writing an open letter saying that "we have given a prominent platform – a critical beat covering a pandemic disproportionately affecting people of color – to someone who chose to use language that is offensive and unacceptable by any newsroom's standards."

Journalists are regularly being purged from the NYT now ... it has become the epicenter of US media wokeness.

Yet Sarah Jeong still writes for the NYT. Some racism is worse than others.

Danzy

keano_afc wrote: »

Yet Sarah Jeong still writes for the NYT. Some racism is worse than others.

For the Woke and many in the modern left, some types are better, not less worse.

Mike Murdock

keano_afc wrote: »

Yet Sarah Jeong still writes for the NYT. Some racism is worse than others.

Yes but apparently she was being "sarcastic" in her Tweets...

Invidious

keano_afc wrote: »

Yet Sarah Jeong still writes for the NYT. Some racism is worse than others.

Indeed. At the New York Times, a female Asian journalist can Tweet sentiments such as "#CancelWhitePeople," "Oh man, it’s kind of sick how much joy I get out of being cruel to old white men," and "Are white people genetically disposed to burn faster in the sun, thus logically being only fit to live underground like groveling goblins?" and still keep her job. Because apparently that's not racist?

Mad_maxx

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Worth mentioning that he was at the paper since 1976.

Roe McDermot is looking for a gig i believe

New York can be cold in February but still

Rodin

Invidious wrote: »

Indeed. At the New York Times, a female Asian journalist can Tweet sentiments such as "#CancelWhitePeople," "Oh man, it’s kind of sick how much joy I get out of being cruel to old white men," and "Are white people genetically disposed to burn faster in the sun, thus logically being only fit to live underground like groveling goblins?" and still keep her job. Because apparently that's not racist?

It's not possible to be racist against whites in this new-world and men can't be sexually discriminated against.

RandRuns

Invidious wrote: »

Indeed. At the New York Times, a female Asian journalist can Tweet sentiments such as "#CancelWhitePeople," "Oh man, it’s kind of sick how much joy I get out of being cruel to old white men," and "Are white people genetically disposed to burn faster in the sun, thus logically being only fit to live underground like groveling goblins?" and still keep her job. Because apparently that's not racist?

It is a basic premise of wokeness that white people are sub-human untermensch, and not subject to the protections everyone else gets.

When you dig down into it, wokeness, like most extremisms, is the very thing they claim to fight.

Rodin

RandRuns wrote: »

It is a basic premise of wokeness that white people are sub-human untermensch, and not subject to the protections everyone else gets.

When you dig down into it, wokeness, like most extremisms, is the very thing they claim to fight.

And white men are the scum of the earth...

RandRuns

RandRuns wrote: »

It is a basic premise of wokeness that white people are sub-human untermensch, and not subject to the protections everyone else gets.

When you dig down into it, wokeness, like most extremisms, is the very thing they claim to fight.

Unless you're female... in which case you're exempted as being a marginalised/discriminated group, except for individuals who get the gold star in persecution. Don't forget there's a load of crossover between the woke and radical feminist movements.

Victims of the world unite!

ButtersSuki

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Roe McDermot is looking for a gig i believe

New York can be cold in February but still

Pity she wouldn’t leave Ireland seeing as she hates it so much, and take her brother with her.

RandRuns

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Pity she wouldn’t leave Ireland seeing as she hates it so much, and take her brother with her.

I've never heard of this Roe McDermott character, so Googled her there - first result:

Creator Hag. Writer, Fulbright Nerd, Next Generation Artist. she/her. Burning the ****ing myths to the goddamn ground

Yup, don't need to know any more.

Hande hoche!

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Worth mentioning that he was at the paper since 1976.

they seem to have found a novel way of getting out of paying him his retirement pension.

ExMachina1000

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Such a sad end to an illustrious career.

Wokeism and those you bring it must be resisted

His Wikipedia page is surprisingly light on information (his dismissal takes up most of the article), just an ordinary journalist doing an ordinary job.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Donald_McNeil_Jr.

RandRuns

Deleted User wrote: »

they seem to have found a novel way of getting out of paying him his retirement pension.

He is also an old-style science writer, with all the baggage of scientific proof and method that it carries, and that has gone completely out of fashion, in this age of change-your-car-and-you-change-the-global-climate and that-vaccine-is-perfectly-safe-because-the-nice-man-from-Pfizer-says-it-is "scientific" belief.
Modern media organisations (they're not newspapers anymore) want people who dress up press releases, and can parrot the correct lingo, not awkward white men who ask questions.

Omackeral

RandRuns wrote: »

I've never heard of this Roe McDermott character, so Googled her there - first result:

Creator Hag. Writer, Fulbright Nerd, Next Generation Artist. she/her. Burning the ****ing myths to the goddamn ground

Yup, don't need to know any more.

That will generally do it alright.

ButtersSuki

RandRuns wrote: »

I've never heard of this Roe McDermott character, so Googled her there - first result:

Creator Hag. Writer, Fulbright Nerd, Next Generation Artist. she/her. Burning the ****ing myths to the goddamn ground

Yup, don't need to know any more.

I’m genuinely sorry for introducing you to her then.

I woii I do try and avoid The Last Word when she’s on it if I were you......

RandRuns

ButtersSuki wrote: »

I’m genuinely sorry for introducing you to her then.

I woii I do try and avoid The Last Word when she’s on it if I were you......

I've never watched that, and now I don't intend to start

Rodin

RandRuns wrote: »

I've never watched that, and now I don't intend to start

It's on radio.

RandRuns

Rodin wrote: »

It's on radio.

Only listen to Lyric, so haven't come across it.

COVID

RandRuns wrote: »

He is also an old-style science writer, with all the baggage of scientific proof and method that it carries, and that has gone completely out of fashion, in this age of change-your-car-and-you-change-the-global-climate and that-vaccine-is-perfectly-safe-because-the-nice-man-from-Pfizer-says-it-is "scientific" belief.
Modern media organisations (they're not newspapers anymore) want people who dress up press releases, and can parrot the correct lingo, not awkward white men who ask questions.

Is being in favour of the vaccine 'woke' now?

RandRuns

COVID wrote: »

Is being in favour of the vaccine 'woke' now?

I wouldn't have thought so, but unquestioningly accepting anything fed to you by the media is, in my opinion.

As an aside, I've nothing against the covid vaccine, and certainly not vaccines in general, however I am concerned about how the vaccine is being marketed, and even more worried how certain parties have made asking any questions about the various vaccines verboten, a bit like they did with, say immigration.

Always, always, be wary when something is pushed as out of bounds for enquiry by the media.

emmalynn19

RandRuns wrote: »

I wouldn't have thought so, but unquestioningly accepting anything fed to you by the media is, in my opinion.

Woke isnt 'everything I dont like'. The vaccine is safe because the EMA, not Pfizer, say it is.


The trouble with laughing at the wokies is half the clowns laughing along are also idiots, just from the other end of the spectrum.

Dyr

RandRuns wrote: »

I wouldn't have thought so, but unquestioningly accepting anything fed to you by the media is, in my opinion.

As an aside, I've nothing against the covid vaccine, and certainly not vaccines in general, however I am concerned about how the vaccine is being marketed, and even more worried how certain parties have made asking any questions about the various vaccines verboten, a bit like they did with, say immigration.

Always, always, be wary when something is pushed as out of bounds for enquiry by the media.

What I particularly like is the narrative of trusting "the science" when the development of these vaccines has been so fast tracked that the companies demanded indemnity from government before they would distribute

Sound like a lack of trust in "the science"

Sky King

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Roe McDermot is looking for a gig i believe

She 'left twitter'.

Recently seen on Instagram asking any of her followers who are on twitter to research something for her there.

Twitter by proxy.

/Facepalm

RandRuns

emmalynn19 wrote: »

Woke isnt 'everything I dont like'. The vaccine is safe because the EMA, not Pfizer, say it is.


The trouble with laughing at the wokies is half the clowns laughing along are also idiots, just from the other end of the spectrum.

The EMA didn't say it was safe, they allowed them to be sold under the (very dodgy) conditional marketing authorisation, and the companies manufacturing them have demanded (and unbelievably, received) complete legal indemnity from any damages if the vaccines prove to be dangerous.

Bambi

Bambi wrote: »

What I particularly like is the narrative of trusting "the science" when the development of these vaccines has been so fast tracked that the companies demanded indemnity from government before they would distribute

Sound like a lack of trust in "the science"

The "fast tracking" was really just that it was possible to do trials quicker, usually the issue is getting volunteers and being able to get funding and to move things along. Other than the Brits taking a chance there's been no shortcuts taken. Ironically then there are people complaining that the EU are holding things up. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Dyr

Deleted User wrote: »

The "fast tracking" was really just that it was possible to do trials quicker, usually the issue is getting volunteers and being able to get funding and to move things along. Other than the Brits taking a chance there's been no shortcuts taken. Ironically then there are people complaining that the EU are holding things up. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

I'm not arguing against the shortcuts taken, I'm pointing out that the "trust the science" bs doesnt fly in this instance as we're into unknown territory and yet if you point that out, the weirdo media scream about disinformation. Another dangerous result of the woke mindset

Cordell

Science by its very definition ventures into unknown territory to make it known.
No corners were cut, but the vaccines were indeed fast tracked because WE NEEDED THEM FAST FFS!

weirdo media scream about disinformation. Another dangerous result of the woke mindset

Maybe, but in this case they are right. Science denial can be denying there are only 2 sexes or denying the science behind the vaccines, and TBH the later is much worse, at least gender neutral bathrooms don't kill people.


/woke hat off

Bambi

Bambi wrote: »

I'm not arguing against the shortcuts taken, I'm pointing out that the "trust the science" bs doesnt fly in this instance as we're into unknown territory and yet if you point that out, the weirdo media scream about disinformation. Another dangerous result of the woke mindset

Nonsense tbh. The Woke don't like science at all as it happens. It's racist, remember?
The only reason to think that it's "woke" is because the "other side" are the ones shouting conspiracy, fake news and refusing to wear masks.