Wokeism of the day *Revised Mod Note in OP and threadbanned users*

Sir Oxman

Sir Oxman wrote: »

That 'error' with the police poster was not an error - until the backlash came.

Of course.. everything is a test to see whether the public will accept/stomach it. If it's accepted, then over time, people won't even notice it anymore because acceptance, even tolerance, is the first step.

Which is why it's so important to step up and let them know you dislike/distrust, or outright find these initiatives offensive.. because without that outcry, things like these will become established, and disputing them then, will be a 1000 times harder to do.

The woke ideas aren't going to go away. They'll keep coming back in one form or another until it's clear that this rubbish has no place in society.

Sir Oxman

Deleted User wrote: »

Of course.. everything is a test to see whether the public will accept/stomach it. If it's accepted, then over time, people won't even notice it anymore because acceptance, even tolerance, is the first step.

Which is why it's so important to step up and let them know you dislike/distrust, or outright find these initiatives offensive.. because without that outcry, things like these will become established, and disputing them then, will be a 1000 times harder to do.

The woke ideas aren't going to go away. They'll keep coming back in one form or another until it's clear that this rubbish has no place in society.

^^This. 100%.

ingalway

Sir Oxman wrote: »

100% for sure, definitely 'trained' by Stonewall.
The police are a 'Stonewall Diversity Champion' (paid for) and Stonewall is the most poisonous, ideological political 'charity' in existence in the UK and simply given a pass for everything.
Their training and advice etc is *everywhere* in the UK, police, govt, schools, universities, NHS etc

That 'error' with the police poster was not an error - until the backlash came.

Ruth Hunt, the previous Stonewall CEO, was made a Baroness on her departure. Stonewall have friends in very high places. I'd say they know a lot of things about many of the 'elite' in the UK.

Sir Oxman

ingalway wrote: »

Ruth Hunt, the previous Stonewall CEO, was made a Baroness on her departure. Stonewall have friends in very high places. I'd say they know a lot of things about many of the 'elite' in the UK.

I don't know about the last bit ;-) but she was a major part of the lurch that from about 2014/15, Stonewall (coincidentally just as the main gay rights issues had been settled) made from a legit campaigning charity to what it is today - an abhorrent, ideological political vehicle for the post-postmodernist crazy theories.
They are not what most people believe they are - very similar to all the critical theorists which employ familiar terms which mask their intentions.

MisterAnarchy

Danzy wrote: »

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It's career suicide to point out that it is one small demographic responsible for the majority of Knife crimes, street assaults and gun crime in London.

Well nothing will be done about it while Sadiq Khan is Mayor.
He is 1/25 to be re-elected in May.
London is being destroyed under Khans watch.

SafeSurfer

Woke Coke. Coca Cola is including modules on how to be less white as part of staff training.

Biafranlivemat

Achebe wrote: »

Coca Cola will be shocked when they learn the fascist paramilitaries they work with in Colombia disproportionately target the indigenous and Afro communities.

Coke Cola did a lot worse in the past.


Fanta was a German invention in 1940, made by Coca Cola.

Coke (US HQ) even made money from it.


During the Second World War, the US established a trade embargo against Germany—making the export of Coca-Cola syrup difficult.[2] To circumvent this, Max Keith, the head of Coca-Cola Deutschland (Coca-Cola GmbH), decided to create a new product for the German market, using only ingredients available in Germany at the time, including beet sugar, whey, and apple pomace—the "leftovers of leftovers", as Keith later recalled.[2][3] The name was the result of a brainstorming session, which started with Keith's exhorting his team to "use their imagination" (Fantasie in German), to which one of his salesmen, Joe Knipp, retorted "Fanta!".[3]
The plant was cut off from Coca-Cola headquarters following the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. After the war, The Coca-Cola Company regained control of the plant, formula, and the trademarks to the new Fanta product—as well as the plant profits made during the war.:eek:

Shield

FWIW the giant majority of any force will have been embarrassed to death with such a failed PR stunt, and the people I know in Merseyside fall into that category.

This doesn't come from patrol or response officers. It comes from out-of-touch brass who get told that the public will respond positively to such signalling.

Cringe level: 100

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-merseyside-56154542

Merseyside Police has apologised for claiming "being offensive is an offence" as part of a campaign to encourage people to report hate crime.

It has since clarified that while hate crime is an offence, "being offensive is not in itself an offence".

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

More woke-ism Muppetry!

Literally!!



It Disney make sense, getting madder by the day!

Your post needs to be read in a Glasgow accent otherwise it's lost

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Of course.. everything is a test to see whether the public will accept/stomach it. If it's accepted, then over time, people won't even notice it anymore because acceptance, even tolerance, is the first step.

Which is why it's so important to step up and let them know you dislike/distrust, or outright find these initiatives offensive.. because without that outcry, things like these will become established, and disputing them then, will be a 1000 times harder to do.

The woke ideas aren't going to go away. They'll keep coming back in one form or another until it's clear that this rubbish has no place in society.

This woke-ist stuff is so effective because it is shape shifting and has no central structure. There are no elected leaders we can really point to in the way there is for populist movements.

It is a lot of small low profile groups who infiltrate and 'advise' governments and corporations who in turn keep moving the barricades forward on their behalf.

Wibbs

Biafranlivemat wrote: »

Coke Cola did a lot worse in the past.


Fanta was a German invention in 1940, made by Coca Cola.

Coke (US HQ) even made money from it.

A lot gets missed in the post war propaganda that still rattles on today. After the nazis were beaten and the main boyos were put on trial it was all done and dusted and the allies looked to the new enemy the Soviets(who had been Hitler's too). It was left out of the narrative how many industrialists in Germany and in the US and elsewhere had benefited from the rise of the nazis and actively supported them in their rise to power. Vanishingly few of those industrialists and companies were taken to task. It didn't suit economically, or politically and with the new enemy at the gate they needed Germany built back up again. Even the Holocaust and concentration camp stuff got swept under the rug pretty quickly and became a bit of a taboo matter. It would be nearly two decades later before historians started to pick it apart.

Wibbs

Wibbs wrote: »

A lot gets missed in the post war propaganda that still rattles on today. After the nazis were beaten and the main boyos were put on trial it was all done and dusted and the allies looked to the new enemy the Soviets(who had been Hitler's too). It was left out of the narrative how many industrialists in Germany and in the US and elsewhere had benefited from the rise of the nazis and actively supported them in their rise to power. Vanishingly few of those industrialists and companies were taken to task. It didn't suit economically, or politically and with the new enemy at the gate they needed Germany built back up again. Even the Holocaust and concentration camp stuff got swept under the rug pretty quickly and became a bit of a taboo matter. It would be nearly two decades later before historians started to pick it apart.

Would it have really made much difference either way? I'm not sure what could have been gained. The Nuremburg trials and the Nazis caught and tried by the Israelis were cathartic moments and provided some sense of justice. Chasing down anyone who supported the Nazis would have been a never ending pit of misery and I don't think anyone would have gained from it.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Would it have really made much difference either way? I'm not sure what could have been gained. The Nuremburg trials and the Nazis caught and tried by the Israelis were cathartic moments and provided some sense of justice. Chasing down anyone who supported the Nazis would have been a never ending pit of misery and I don't think anyone would have gained from it.

Actually, I disagree, because it gives the impression that big companies/businesses are above the petty inconveniences of morality. Which is why over the next few decades we saw the corruption and greed by western companies in Asia, Africa, and S.America. The simple trick of having your HQ in a western nation, while engaging in, essentially, slave labor in 3rd world countries, companies were allowed to bypass the morality that Western culture promoted as being so important.

By holding companies accountable for their choices (back then), it would have gone a long way towards establishing the belief that it was proper to regulate those industries, and perhaps have provided the basis for reining in the Big Pharma companies in the US, the dubious attitudes of Arms manufacturing/sales, or the internet Tech companies we have today.

This wouldn't have been about tracking down everyone who every associated themselves with the Nazis.. that's an extreme reaction to the post above. However, it would have meant that those who profited from the Nazi's would have been held to account for what they did...

Invidious

Deleted User wrote: »

This woke-ist stuff is so effective because it is shape shifting and has no central structure. There are no elected leaders we can really point to in the way there is for populist movements.

It is a lot of small low profile groups who infiltrate and 'advise' governments and corporations who in turn keep moving the barricades forward on their behalf.

Nail on the head.

And the barricades are moving rapidly — efforts to define "hate" as anything anyone could find offensive now seems to have confused even police forces. Meanwhile, Democrats in the US are now calling for the removal of conservative media from the airwaves, allegedly in order to combat "misinformation."

We see virtue signalers everywhere, but fewer and fewer people willing to stand up for core values of free speech and freedom of the press.

Invidious

Invidious wrote: »

Nail on the head.

And the barricades are moving rapidly — efforts to define "hate" as anything anyone could find offensive now seems to have confused even police forces.

Ahh well, we've seen how careers/services are now required to be responsible to engage in so many areas that their role traditionally wouldn't have included. The police, get a lot of flak for just about everything.. and I can see this initiative as a way to get ahead of the curve.. anticipating the demands from governments/public. It just wasn't well thought out.

We see virtue signalers everywhere, but fewer and fewer people willing to stand up for core values of free speech and freedom of the press.

Freedom of the press... yeah.. no.. I'm sorry but the press is a garbage heap of opinionated agenda driven individuals and organisations, set on conditioning society to match their own realities. The press should be regulated far more than it is.. at least until it's shown itself capable of returning to honest, and unbiased reporting.

But, yes, freedom of speech needs to be protected. Not the US attitude to it though, but the common sense approach that used to be more practical. Alas, with all the virtue signalling, and agendas, common sense has essentially died.

As for fewer people standing up, I'd actually say it's the opposite. We're, finally, starting to see a pushback against feminism, PC/Woke, etc. People are taking to the internet, and other mediums, voicing opinions that run counter to these movements, and gaining a following. Given time, I feel quite optimistic that we'll see the end of this nonsense, or at least, get back the sense of incredulity at the stupidity of it all.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Actually, I disagree, because it gives the impression that big companies/businesses are above the petty inconveniences of morality. Which is why over the next few decades we saw the corruption and greed by western companies in Asia, Africa, and S.America. The simple trick of having your HQ in a western nation, while engaging in, essentially, slave labor in 3rd world countries, companies were allowed to bypass the morality that Western culture promoted as being so important.

By holding companies accountable for their choices (back then), it would have gone a long way towards establishing the belief that it was proper to regulate those industries, and perhaps have provided the basis for reining in the Big Pharma companies in the US, the dubious attitudes of Arms manufacturing/sales, or the internet Tech companies we have today.

This wouldn't have been about tracking down everyone who every associated themselves with the Nazis.. that's an extreme reaction to the post above. However, it would have meant that those who profited from the Nazi's would have been held to account for what they did...

Don't forget that because the Nazis lost WWII, any company that was in Germany (and many other countries in Europe) suffered severe losses due to military action, mostly more severe than allied companies, would that not be considered sufficient punishment?

Dr. Bre

Dr Hibbert from the Simpsons will be voiced by a black actor rather than a white actor

Your Face

Biafranlivemat wrote: »

Coke Cola did a lot worse in the past.


Fanta was a German invention in 1940, made by Coca Cola.

Coke (US HQ) even made money from it.


During the Second World War, the US established a trade embargo against Germany—making the export of Coca-Cola syrup difficult.[2] To circumvent this, Max Keith, the head of Coca-Cola Deutschland (Coca-Cola GmbH), decided to create a new product for the German market, using only ingredients available in Germany at the time, including beet sugar, whey, and apple pomace—the "leftovers of leftovers", as Keith later recalled.[2][3] The name was the result of a brainstorming session, which started with Keith's exhorting his team to "use their imagination" (Fantasie in German), to which one of his salesmen, Joe Knipp, retorted "Fanta!".[3]
The plant was cut off from Coca-Cola headquarters following the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. After the war, The Coca-Cola Company regained control of the plant, formula, and the trademarks to the new Fanta product—as well as the plant profits made during the war.:eek:

I dont see anything wrong with that.

Your Face

Your Face wrote: »

I dont see anything wrong with that.

Yes, it's the same as subsidiary companies in South Africa what were isolated from their corporate head offices during the apartheid era, they had to adapt or die.
I cannot see how their actions can be seen as political, quite likely, they were forced to comply with unsavoury rules in which they had no choice.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Don't forget that because the Nazis lost WWII, any company that was in Germany (and many other countries in Europe) suffered severe losses due to military action, mostly more severe than allied companies, would that not be considered sufficient punishment?

Sure, but what about companies that were already international in scope, who managed to send their profits or investment across borders, or across war theaters? Kinda like how the Swiss banks managed to do quite well out of the war by serving all sides, but in this case, referring to businesses who did the same.

In any case, large parts of southern and western Germany weren't demolished by the war. Most of the damage done was to the north, those areas around Berlin and east. There were plenty of areas which escaped the majority of the bombing, and fighting.. including areas in Bavaria, Austria or northern Italy.

Wibbs

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes, it's the same as subsidiary companies in South Africa what were isolated from their corporate head offices during the apartheid era, they had to adapt or die.
I cannot see how their actions can be seen as political, quite likely, they were forced to comply with unsavoury rules in which they had no choice.

There were companies in the US and France and the UK to a lesser degree who had big contracts with the nazis before the war who removed Jews from more public positions to make them more amenable to the Germans. It wasn't just internally. It was to keep the greasy tills ringing. And again before the war Hitler got a lot of support from German and internationality owned companies within Germany because he was "good for business", effectively ended union interference and opened up the market.

A few didn't. A good example was the watch company Rolex. All the other Swiss watch brands were only too happy to supply the nazis and did so before and during the war. That is until the Germans started to run out of hard currency... Rolex alone refused to deal with them and supported the Allies from the get go and at a time when the outcome wasn't nearly so clear cut. After the war a few of the Swiss brands actively hunted down nazi supplied timepieces to destroy them to distance themselves from that stuff and they avoid discussing that period in their marketing even though a few have modern reissues of nazi designed watches. It sounds like a small thing these days, but before GPS and modern tech, timing and timepieces were incredibly important in the prosecution of war. To the degree that the Versailles treaty that restricted the Germans from building up their military also has specific restrictions around watches that could be used for military purposes. Hell the reason that men even wear wristwatches at all is because of WW1.

MisterAnarchy

https://twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1364182863785168900

Bill Gates is funding this nonsense.

TP_CM

https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2021/0223/1198751-harry-shearer-replaced-as-dr-hibbert-on-the-simpsons/

What absolute nonsense.

Zebra3

Biafranlivemat wrote: »

Coke Cola did a lot worse in the past.


Fanta was a German invention in 1940, made by Coca Cola.

Coke (US HQ) even made money from it.


During the Second World War, the US established a trade embargo against Germany—making the export of Coca-Cola syrup difficult.[2] To circumvent this, Max Keith, the head of Coca-Cola Deutschland (Coca-Cola GmbH), decided to create a new product for the German market, using only ingredients available in Germany at the time, including beet sugar, whey, and apple pomace—the "leftovers of leftovers", as Keith later recalled.[2][3] The name was the result of a brainstorming session, which started with Keith's exhorting his team to "use their imagination" (Fantasie in German), to which one of his salesmen, Joe Knipp, retorted "Fanta!".[3]
The plant was cut off from Coca-Cola headquarters following the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. After the war, The Coca-Cola Company regained control of the plant, formula, and the trademarks to the new Fanta product—as well as the plant profits made during the war.:eek:

Not a patch on GM.

Supplied the German military.

Successfully sued the USG who bombed their German factories.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/nov98/nazicars30.htm

ingalway

https://twitter.com/TiffanyERoberts/status/1363196905560436736?s=20

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Actually, I disagree, because it gives the impression that big companies/businesses are above the petty inconveniences of morality. Which is why over the next few decades we saw the corruption and greed by western companies in Asia, Africa, and S.America. The simple trick of having your HQ in a western nation, while engaging in, essentially, slave labor in 3rd world countries, companies were allowed to bypass the morality that Western culture promoted as being so important.

By holding companies accountable for their choices (back then), it would have gone a long way towards establishing the belief that it was proper to regulate those industries, and perhaps have provided the basis for reining in the Big Pharma companies in the US, the dubious attitudes of Arms manufacturing/sales, or the internet Tech companies we have today.

This wouldn't have been about tracking down everyone who every associated themselves with the Nazis.. that's an extreme reaction to the post above. However, it would have meant that those who profited from the Nazi's would have been held to account for what they did...

Persuasive post. I've changed my mind. It's a Boards first. Congratulations.

biko

BBC for woke pipel
https://www.bbc.com/pidgin.amp

biko

biko wrote: »

BBC for woke pipel
https://www.bbc.com/pidgin.amp

As far as I know Pigin is an official language in some parts of the world.
Here is one of many examples.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tok_Pisin

The version on the BBC page is an unofficial language in Nigeria.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Pidgin

Not woke as it is a language spoken by people who have merged several local languages together with a spoonful (or bucket) of English.

silverharp

biko wrote: »

BBC for woke pipel
https://www.bbc.com/pidgin.amp

is this not cultural appropriation and colonization for clicks?

randd1

I can see in the near future a lot of young white men, and women, ending up in white pride groups, and such groups becoming mainstream. Young white kids are going to grow up being told that they are at fault for all the world's ills because of the skin colour they were born in. And that mentality is going to push them towards those groups.

And in the end, all these anti-racists groups who push the narrative that it's wrong to be white will succeed in doing is creating segregated societies based on skin colour, religion and ethnicity. in other words, a world defined by our appearances, rather than our humanity.

Quantum Erasure

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-merseyside-56154542

Merseyside Police has apologised for claiming "being offensive is an offence" as part of a campaign to encourage people to report hate crime.

It has since clarified that while hate crime is an offence, "being offensive is not in itself an offence".

Hang on, they printed this out and put it on a truck. how did they not know the actual law?

Ultrflat

Apparently woke : "I feel like"

Me " excuse me to cut you off, but your feelings are none of my business and the way your using them seems like a feeble attempt at emotional manipulation"

Apparently woke: **Silence**

46 Long

46 Long

46 Long wrote: »

Don’t have twitter but surely (you would hope) this is a bit of Poe’s law?

COVID

Batrachotox wrote: »

Don’t have twitter but surely (you would hope) this is a bit of Poe’s law?

Vegan / 3 year Long Covid sufferer / On furlough / Non-Binary (she/him) / Proffessional misconception challenger / Feminist / Netball enthusiast

whisky_galore

TP_CM wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2021/0223/1198751-harry-shearer-replaced-as-dr-hibbert-on-the-simpsons/

What absolute nonsense.

Who even watches it anymore? Just an appeal for relevance.

Rothko

46 Long wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that must be a parody.

Achebe

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

The whole idea of the left is supposed to be about class structure. That seems to be completely lost. Ten years ago organisations like occupy were talking about taxes and the one per cent.

That argument seems to have been completely abandoned. Nobody ever mentions anything to do with class any more.

The idea that a gay or black rich person is less privileged then a poor white person is an idea I cannot accept. And not really the reality.

Does racism and homophobia exist, yes. Are they massive problems that are systemic in all areas of society, well not really in Europe or the west. Your life is much more decided by what class you are born into.

Bernie Sanders talked about class conflict more than any major US presidential candidate in decades. Did you miss that?

Sir Oxman

https://twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1363857958761881602

jam_mac_jam

Achebe wrote: »

Bernie Sanders talked about class conflict more than any major US presidential candidate in decades. Did you miss that?

No I didn't. I have loads of time for Bernie. They could do with a lot more like him.

Achebe

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

No I didn't. I have loads of time for Bernie. They could do with a lot more like him.

Well, his recent prominence goes against your entire thesis.

jam_mac_jam

Achebe wrote: »

Well, his recent prominence goes against your entire thesis.

Are you honestly arguing that the focus on the left hasn't moved away from class?

If anything it proves my point as he wasn't successfully chosen.

46 Long

Rothko wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that must be a parody.

Is there even a difference anymore?

Sir Oxman

46 Long wrote: »

Is there even a difference anymore?

Yep, Sonalee.
We'll do that so you can keep stuffing your cakehole with well, scrumptious cakes.
The unfunny thing is, she'll have plenty of enablers in all the right places.
Remember, 'being kind' means agreeing wholeheartedly with this person. Seriously.

Rodney Bathgate

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Yep, Sonalee.
We'll do that so you can keep stuffing your cakehole with well, scrumptious cakes.
The unfunny thing is, she'll have plenty of enablers in all the right places.
Remember, 'being kind' means agreeing wholeheartedly with this person. Seriously.

Male feminist are as bad as ‘feeders’.

Cordell

Rothko wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that must be a parody.

Anyone remembers that time when this wasn't even a question?

Sir Oxman

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Male feminist are as bad as ‘feeders’.

Standard advice to women is run a mile if a man tells you he's a feminist.
Run and don't look back

Rodney Bathgate

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Standard advice to women is run a mile if a man tells you he's a feminist.
Run and don't look back

Creeps.

Omackeral

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Standard advice to women is run a mile if a man tells you he's a feminist.
Run and don't look back

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Creeps.

Achebe

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Are you honestly arguing that the focus on the left hasn't moved away from class?

If anything it proves my point as he wasn't successfully chosen.

Yes, I am.

What candidate with such focus on class came anywhere near being chosen in 2012 or 2008? There were none. The 2008 democratic primary was a choice between Obama and Clinton, neither of whom are motivated by class politics.

Likewise, the British Labour Party went from people like Tony Blair to the far more class focused figure of Corbyn. He lost in the end, but the party became far more traditionally socialist under his leadership, all of was during the time frame you're talking about.

If you were going back decades, I would buy your argument, but talking about ten years ago as being a time when there was more focus on class politics makes no sense at all.