Who thinks Trump will win?

Danzy

It was a harmless debate, Biden came close to getting so flustered that it looked concerning.

Changed nothing and may only serve to push turnout down.

Wanderer78

RIGOLO wrote:

American gun sales have had 5-6 consequtive RECORD months. Millions of new gun owners, millions. FBI NICS background check system has a 2 month backlog Guns go straight from store rooms to pre-orders, bypassing the shelf. Ammo is in short supply. FIRST TIME Gun ownership is at a record high FIRST TIME Gun ownership of black women is hitting record demand

Hardly the very beginning stages of a civil war?

steddyeddy

I think Biden was a lot better than I expected. One thing that shined through for me is Biden's use "shut up man" and "keep yapping man". The American people are generally very respectful of titles and often refer to cops as officer and the president as Mr president.

People here are commenting on the fact Biden said "shut up" but my American colleagues are commenting on the fact that Biden referred to the president as "man". I thought it was brilliant. Throughout his whole political career Trump has shown no respect for disabled people, politicians, doctors, scientists, women and anyone who wasn't white. He doesn't deserve respect back and Biden demonstrated that perfectly.

RIGOLO

tobefrank321 wrote: »

As if you expect us to believe that!

Keep the lies coming, Trump would be proud!

who can tell what the looney left will believe.

Heck they believed a MAGA wearing teenager called Nick Sandman was harrassing native americans and that cost them $250 million ..

Doesnt matter to me whether you believe me or not that my republican friends are telling me their democrats friends are looking for gun advice. I made a nice chunk of change betting on this, betting Democrats would flood the gun shops and buy all the RGR, SWBI and OLN they could get.

https://www.ft.com/content/b351aa1c-5fe2-4196-9b69-f5a570c91dd1

Wanderer78

RIGOLO wrote:

who can tell what the looney left will believe.

Again, what looney left?

RIGOLO wrote:

Doesnt matter to me whether you believe me or not that my republican friends are telling me their democrats friends are looking for gun advice. I made a nice chunk of change betting on this, betting Democrats would flood the gun shops and buy all the RGR, SWBI and OLN they could get.

So, flooding a population that are highly aggrevated with guns is good because?

steddyeddy

RIGOLO wrote: »

who can tell what the looney left will believe.

Heck they believed a MAGA wearing teenager called Nick Sandman was harrassing native americans and that cost them $250 million ..

Doesnt matter to me whether you believe me or not that my republican friends are telling me their democrats friends are looking for gun advice. I made a nice chunk of change betting on this, betting Democrats would flood the gun shops and buy all the RGR, SWBI and OLN they could get.

https://www.ft.com/content/b351aa1c-5fe2-4196-9b69-f5a570c91dd1

What part of the states are you from?

A lot of republicans are supporting Biden. Not a good look for the GOP right now. https://www.nytimes.com/article/republicans-voting-for-biden-not-trump.html

Wanderer78

steddyeddy wrote:

A lot of republicans are supporting Biden. Not a good look for the GOP right now.

Some are supporting him, the rest are probably just remaining tight lipped

breezy1985

circular flexing wrote: »

I was honestly surprised to learn that Trump has a debate prep team.

The best team like unbelievable the greatest team ever period best team you have ever seen work so hard and look at everything strongly

Faugheen

Speaking of Republicans supporting Biden, I wonder will Paul Ryan endorse anyone.

If he endorses Biden then there isn’t a chance Trump wins Wisconsin. If he endorses Trump then Wisconsin will narrow up substantially.

breezy1985

Wanderer78 wrote: »

theres that left again, which left, which country?

The left are everywhere now apparently everyone in the US who doesn't vote Trump and loads more around the world. If there is an afterlife Marx, Lenin and Che must be having some party there now that more than 50% of the population of the US are now socialist

Tony EH

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Again, what looney left?

The one in his head.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Tony EH wrote: »

The one in his head.

He means this guy.

In fiarness, I'd vote for him....

suicide_circus

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Think I will go with the FBI over a compulsive liar like Trump.

Will you go with the FBI when they say that the proud boys are not white supremacists?

steddyeddy

suicide_circus wrote: »

Will you go with the FBI when they say that the proud boys are not white supremacists?

When did they say the Proud boys are not white supremacists?

Danzy

steddyeddy wrote: »

When did they say the Proud boys are not white supremacists?

Isn't their leader black?

MeMen2_MoRi_

Danzy wrote: »

Isn't their leader black?

Answering a question, with a question.. top stuff.

Danzy

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

Answering a question, with a question.. top stuff.

He is black, seems quite a few proud boys are.

nacho libre

Trump appealed to his base, but I doubt he will have won over voters outside his base with that performance. If that's enough for him to get elected then it doesn't matter, but i don't think it will be. You could say the debate was like two kids shouting at each other in schoolyard. Some neutrals might form the view that it is a bad reflection on America if these two are the best they can do. Trump and Biden supporters will no doubt disagree

Cody montana

The dementia brigade have gone very quiet today?

breezy1985

Cody montana wrote: »

The dementia brigade have gone very quiet today?

They forgot : )

MeMen2_MoRi_

Danzy wrote: »

He is black, seems quite a few proud boys are.

And quite a few black men rounded up other black men/women and children and sent them on their way to being slaves..

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/proud-boys

I see he mentioned Antifa, but most media are leading with the so called threat from white supremacists.

Can you imagine if white groups were carrying on like BLM and Antifa have been this summer. People would be howling from the roof tops. Something very off and sinister about the topics the media are choosing to push.

Akesh

Danzy wrote: »

Isn't their leader black?

Are you expecting the residents of this thread to actually research any of the beliefs they strongly hold?! Shame on you.

Cody montana

breezy1985 wrote: »

They forgot : )

The main takeaway seems to be Trump refusing to condemn white supremacy.

Not a good look.

The Floyd p

suicide_circus wrote: »

Will you go with the FBI when they say that the proud boys are not white supremacists?

https://imgur.com/a/vnh6gJs

About as close as you'll get.

Akabusi

Trump will definitely win, it is 2020 after all.

Ficheall

nacho libre wrote: »

Trump and Biden supporters will no doubt disagree

Are there Biden supporters? Is it not more like "Anybody but Trump and this guy seems reasonably harmless"?

hirondelle

Cody montana wrote: »

The dementia brigade have gone very quiet today?

Weird, isn't it? Obvious cognitive decline, drugs and a concealed earpiece were ENORMOUS issues and would be a campaign-ending scandal for Biden.

And instead, today's hot talking points:

• He outrageously used the word "clown" against the POTUS a man (who routinely insults people while he is POTUS).
• Biden turned and faced the camera to make an emotional plea to the voters which was cheating, apparently. (The sincerity of the moment is open to question in my opinion, but that is another matter).
• Wallace tricked Trump in to telling the Proud Boys to ease off the trigger finger.

Have I missed anything?

Danzy

Ficheall wrote: »

Are there Biden supporters? Is it not more like "Anybody but Trump and this guy seems reasonably harmless"?

Biden could be a Senator for either for the Democrats or Republicans.

That nebulous nature helps appeal to many, his long history of being the Finance industry's go to Senator has opened up incredible levels of donations.

Yet, for all that, he has a serious enthusiasm gap.

Enough might not bother voting.

tobefrank321

Danzy wrote: »

Biden could be a Senator for either for the Democrats or Republicans.

Any evidence he was ever a Republican supporter or shares any of their values?

Trump on the otherhand:

Trump registered as a Republican in Manhattan in 1987 and since that time has changed his party affiliation five times. In 1999, Trump changed his party affiliation to the Independence Party of New York. In August 2001, Trump changed his party affiliation to Democratic. In September 2009, Trump changed his party affiliation back to the Republican Party. In December 2011, Trump changed to "no party affiliation" (independent). In April 2012, Trump again returned to the Republican Party.[4]

In a 2004 interview, Trump told CNN's Wolf Blitzer: "In many cases, I probably identify more as Democrat," explaining: "It just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans. Now, it shouldn't be that way. But if you go back, I mean it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats...But certainly we had some very good economies under Democrats, as well as Republicans. But we've had some pretty bad disaster under the Republicans."[5] In a July 2015 interview, Trump said that he has a broad range of political positions and that "I identify with some things as a Democrat."[4]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Donald_Trump

But you're right about people being turned off voting after last night.