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Who thinks Trump will win?

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    #3722
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 26,548 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    Any evidence he was ever a Republican supporter or shares any of their values?

    Trump on the otherhand:



    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Donald_Trump

    But you're right about people being turned off voting after last night.

    Republicans prefer to discount anything he said before " lock her up"


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    #3723
    BloodyBill
    Registered Users Posts: 957 ✭✭✭BloodyBill


    Trump plays a clever game. Biden went to Trumps level with the 'Clown' comment which just seemed wrong and sounded bad. Biden needs to be between 8 and 10 points ahead come election day. I dont see that happening. Trump will rachet up the pressure on Joe and he ll start losing support. Its started already


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    #3724
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 29,581 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    BloodyBill wrote: »
    Trump plays a clever game. Biden went to Trumps level with the 'Clown' comment which just seemed wrong and sounded bad. Biden needs to be between 8 and 10 points ahead come election day. I dont see that happening. Trump will rachet up the pressure on Joe and he ll start losing support. Its started already

    where?


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    #3725
    nacho libre
    Registered Users Posts: 16,865 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Are there Biden supporters? Is it not more like "Anybody but Trump and this guy seems reasonably harmless"?

    Yes, he has his supporters, but for a lot of floating voters it maybe, as you say, simply be the fact he is not Trump that appeals to them.


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    #3726
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,857 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    Any evidence he was ever a Republican supporter or shares any of their values?

    Trump on the otherhand:



    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Donald_Trump

    But you're right about people being turned off voting after last night.

    He has never been a Republican supporter but in finance and corporate regulation he was stridently free market, often more than some GOP senators.

    On free trade he is closer to Reagan than the modern GOP.


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    #3727
    Open the Pubs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 396 ✭✭Open the Pubs


    It wasn't a good performance from Trump, he should not have interrupted Biden so much.The debate was very poor, no questions on foreign policy at all in the entire debate? Probably helped Biden if anything, he supported numerous wars including Iraq and Libya.


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    #3728
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 13,610 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Danzy wrote: »
    He has never been a Republican supporter but in finance and corporate regulation he was stridently free market, often more than some GOP senators.

    On free trade he is closer to Reagan than the modern GOP.

    Tariffs?
    Don't make us laugh. This is as farcical as some of Wiggles' claims about the economy.

    Look up the history of NAFTA and Reagan and get back to us. #IMPOTUS is protectionist as they've ever been. Free trade. *derisive snort*


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    #3729
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Not a great night for American Politics I would think.

    Trump was his own worst enemy as predicted....he didn't turn any voters last night.

    Biden had a good night...in the sense that he didn't collapse or make a stumble in any major way, the TDS crowd will be happy with that.

    But my god how bad are things in the Democratic Party that this guy is the candidate....it's no wonder no one turns up for his limited public appearances.


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    #3730
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,857 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Igotadose wrote: »
    Tariffs?
    Don't make us laugh. This is as farcical as some of Wiggles' claims about the economy.

    Look up the history of NAFTA and Reagan and get back to us. #IMPOTUS is protectionist as they've ever been. Free trade. *derisive snort*

    I'm talking about Biden you Goose.


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    #3731
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Best plan of action might well to dig out a contact number for Yang and tell 'em all is forgiven,
    if one wanted to progress in a more logical and orderly manner with another 4yrs.


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    #3732
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 26,548 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    Not a great night for American Politics I would think.

    Trump was his own worst enemy as predicted....he didn't turn any voters last night.

    Biden had a good night...in the sense that he didn't collapse or make a stumble in any major way, the TDS crowd will be happy with that.

    But my god how bad are things in the Democratic Party that this guy is the candidate....it's no wonder no one turns up for his limited public appearances.

    They don't turn up because they believe in science and the dangers of Covid unlike the irresponsible conspiracy nuts at the Trump rallies


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    #3733
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    hirondelle wrote: »
    Weird, isn't it? Obvious cognitive decline, drugs and a concealed earpiece were ENORMOUS issues and would be a campaign-ending scandal for Biden.

    And instead, today's hot talking points:
    • He outrageously used the word "clown" against the POTUS a man (who routinely insults people while he is POTUS).
    • Biden turned and faced the camera to make an emotional plea to the voters which was cheating, apparently. (The sincerity of the moment is open to question in my opinion, but that is another matter).
    • Wallace tricked Trump in to telling the Proud Boys to ease off the trigger finger.
    Have I missed anything?

    You also wouldn't believe how sensitive Trump voters are to their leader being told to "shut up" and to "stop yapping".


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    #3734
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 33,503 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    where?

    The whole thing.

    Trump isn't stupid in one resepct: he knows he can't debate politics and policy. But he can trade insults and entertain, so his best policy is to turn it into a ****show and hope Biden gets dragged down.

    Didn't really work as well as he intended, though but there are two more debates.

    Anyone who thought this would be enlightning or insighteful with regard to politics or who to vote for is delusional, and the same goes for the next two debates.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    #3735
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 26,548 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    You also wouldn't believe how sensitive Trump voters are to their leader being told to "shut up" and to "stop yapping".

    Bunch of snowflakes the lot of em


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    #3736
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    They don't turn up because they believe in science and the dangers of Covid unlike the irresponsible conspiracy nuts at the Trump rallies

    What do you think of the BLM protests/rioters that started back in May?

    Did they believe in science...where was the outrage for those conspiracy nuts?

    It doesn't take a genius to understand what is happening....the dangers of covid on people depends on what you are protesting or gathering for, where is the science behind that?


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    #3737
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 26,548 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    What do you think of the BLM protests/rioters that started back in May?

    Did they believe in science...where was the outrage for those conspiracy nuts?

    It doesn't take a genius to understand what is happening....the dangers of covid on people depends on what you are protesting or gathering for, where is the science behind that?

    I'm always anti riot. I am fine with a protest if it is done with social distancing in mind. You need to be out on the streets to protest but you don't need to go to rally to hear Trump as you can watch him on TV or online so they are not the same


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    #3738
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    I'm always anti riot. I am fine with a protest if it is done with social distancing in mind. You need to be out on the streets to protest but you don't need to go to rally to hear Trump as you can watch him on TV or online so they are not the same

    So there is no science to back what you were asserting?


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    #3739
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,598 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Republicans prefer to discount anything he said before " lock her up"

    I refer to it as "old testament Trump "


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    #3740
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 26,548 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    So there is no science to back what you were asserting?

    Trump tries to play down covid and encourages supporters to mix despite warnings about Covid Biden does not.

    And before you jump in a BLM protest is not affiliated with or has been organised by Biden so is not an endorsement of his position on Covid. Trump and his rallies on the other hand are


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    #3741
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 26,548 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    I refer to it as "old testament Trump "

    Thou shall grab em by the kittycat. They love it


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    #3742
    Kaybaykwah
    Registered Users Posts: 3,203 ✭✭✭Kaybaykwah


    I don't feel hate for anyone, but if I did, Chump would be high on my list. Biden is a liar and a cheat, not much better IMO.


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    #3743
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Trump tries to play down covid and encourages supporters to mix despite warnings about Covid Biden does not.

    And before you jump in a BLM protest is not affiliated with or has been organised by Biden so is not an endorsement of his position on Covid. Trump and his rallies on the other hand are

    So again...you have no science to back up your assertion?

    You brought science into this, not me, now back up your claim please?

    And as you are also aware, numerous posters here who are based in the US have noticed the lack of any visible support for the Harris administration, what is stopping them buying flags and bumper stickers...science? (and it is huge part of Presidential Elections traditionally)


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    #3744
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Does Biden ever tell the truth? Would appear not.


    https://twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1311132450697945088

    https://twitter.com/guypbenson/status/1311133364955615232


    No doubt there'll be nothing but 'But Trump' replies.

    His Antifa comments are not going down well with moderates either.

    While Trump under performed, it was really Biden that done more damage to his own chances.


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    #3745
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 26,548 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    So again...you have no science to back up your assertion?

    You brought science into this, not me, now back up your claim please?

    And as you are also aware, numerous posters here who are based in the US have noticed the lack of any visible support for the Harris administration, what is stopping them buying flags and bumper stickers...science? (and it is huge part of Presidential Elections traditionally)

    https://www.npr.org/2020/09/19/914233038/poll-climate-becomes-top-priority-for-democrats-trump-struggles-on-race-covid-19?t=1601476047710

    Jump about half way down to the section about public health experts. Republicans are far less likely to believe the science behind Covid and vaccination also climate change seeing as we are on the subject of science.

    What's the Harris administration?
    Maybe they are not buying as many bumper stickers because people are not driving round as much due to working from home or are donating online instead


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    #3746
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 26,548 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Does Biden ever tell the truth? Would appear not.


    https://twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1311132450697945088

    https://twitter.com/guypbenson/status/1311133364955615232


    No doubt there'll be nothing but 'But Trump' replies.

    His Antifa comments are not going down well with moderates either.

    While Trump under performed, it was really Biden that done more damage to his own chances.

    Moderates don't believe in Antifa. It's a far right conspiracy theory


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    #3747
    relax carry on
    Registered Users Posts: 4,082 ✭✭✭relax carry on


    It's mad the hardening of committed Trumpists loyalties after Donnie's poor performance last night. Biden was exactly as expected and Trump (I don't prepare for anything, the world is against me, squirrel!) still couldn't take down Biden, the man he and his supporters portrayed as sleepy. Biden maybe just about adequate but what in the world does it say about Donnie when he couldn't deal with him?

    "I am in blood Stepp'd in so far that, should I wade no more, Returning were as tedious as go o'er."

    That's not even getting into the self inflicted wounds Donnie managed to do to himself.


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    #3748
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Moderates don't believe in Antifa. It's a far right conspiracy theory

    Not sure that is true....


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    #3749
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    https://www.npr.org/2020/09/19/914233038/poll-climate-becomes-top-priority-for-democrats-trump-struggles-on-race-covid-19?t=1601476047710

    Jump about half way down to the section about public health experts. Republicans are far less likely to believe the science behind Covid and vaccination also climate change seeing as we are on the subject of science.

    What's the Harris administration?
    Maybe they are not buying as many bumper stickers because people are not driving round as much due to working from home or are donating online instead

    Sorry...that is just a poll.

    Can you point us to the science that you claim supporters of Trump are ignoring because they do not believe in science...as you have claimed.

    Republicans are less likely to comply with Government officials does not mean they do not believe in science....if government officials endorse protesting for one group of people and not endorse another then I'd be inclined to ignore the Government officials myself....


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    #3750
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 26,548 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    Sorry...that is just a poll.

    Can you point us to the science that you claim supporters of Trump are ignoring because they do not believe in science...as you have claimed.

    Republicans are less likely to comply with Government officials does not mean they do not believe in science....if government officials endorse protesting for one group of people and not endorse another then I'd be inclined to ignore the Government officials myself....

    Polling is a science and the only kind we have that could "point us to the science that you claim supporters of Trump are ignoring because they do not believe in science"

    I don't know what else you want are you asking me to find a formula for a chemical compound that can read minds?


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    #3751
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    dwayneshintzy wrote: »
    Is your position that the moderator was biased?


    What did you think of Trump's non-stop interruptions during his opponent's designated speaking time?
    Of course Chris Wallace was biased against Trump. I called that one. Wallace interrupted Trump something like 35 times. He didn’t interrupt Biden once. Also, Wallace kept pushing left-wing talking points to help Biden out and hurt Trump.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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