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    #3752
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,599 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Of course Chris Wallace was biased against Trump. I called that one. Wallace interrupted Trump something like 35 times. He didn’t interrupt Biden once. Also, Wallace kept pushing left-wing talking points to help Biden out and hurt Trump.

    He interrupted Trump because he was shouting over Biden when he was trying to answer the question. Should the moderator just left Trump to ramble on and on and on and on and on?


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    #3753
    Open the Pubs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 396 ✭✭Open the Pubs


    If team Trump was smarter in this campaign, he would have went hard after the Hispanic vote, he's doing quite well there but he could be doing even better with a bit more targeted campaigning. They were/are ripe for the taking, a lot of Latinos in America are conservative especially those who fled failed socialist states like Venezuela and Cuba. I did see Trump was a resounding winner on Telemundo poll on who won the debate, one of the main Spanish channels.

    Trump was never going to do well with the Black vote. He's tried and he has improved but there was much more scope for growth with Latino voters. Also appears Trump is doing worse with older Americans this time presumably due to Covid pandemic. I think Trump made a mistake sticking with Mike Pence. Pence does nothing for Trumps elections chances. A Nikki Haley or some Latino like Marco Rubio or someone would have been much better.


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    #3754
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 26,548 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Open the Pubs wrote: »
    If team Trump was smarter in this campaign, he would have went hard after the Hispanic vote, he's doing quite well there but he could be doing even better with a bit more targeted campaigning. They were/are ripe for the taking, a lot of Latinos in America are conservative especially those who fled failed socialist states like Venezuela and Cuba. I did see Trump was a resounding winner on Telemundo poll on who won the debate, one of the main Spanish channels.

    Trump was never going to do well with the Black vote. He's tried and he has improved but there was much more scope for growth with Latino voters. Also appears Trump is doing worse with older Americans this time presumably due to Covid pandemic. I think Trump made a mistake sticking with Mike Pence. Pence does nothing for Trumps elections chances. A Nikki Haley or some Latino like Marco Rubio or someone would have been much better.

    Sorry what? Trump has "tried and he has improved" with black voters


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    #3755
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    He interrupted Trump because he was shouting over Biden when he was trying to answer the question. Should the moderator just left Trump to ramble on and on and on and on and on?

    As others have said elsewhere, there should be a switch to turn off the mic when your time is up so you can't just keep talking over others.

    That way, at least that blithering buffoon Trump wouldn't be able to constantly interrupt people with his bollocks talk.

    As a debate, it wasn't even worthy of the moniker. But, aside from that, Trump made his usual show of himself and tried to bring things down to his abominably low level, to the point where he had to be told off by the moderator several times. He acted like a 5 year old child.


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    #3756
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    He interrupted Trump because he was shouting over Biden when he was trying to answer the question. Should the moderator just left Trump to ramble on and on and on and on and on?
    Come on, man... Biden did the same thing shouting over Trump, and Chris Wallace did the same thing shouting over Trump. The only one that got taken to task over it was Trump.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #3757
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 26,548 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Come on, man... Biden did the same thing shouting over Trump, and Chris Wallace did the same thing shouting over Trump. The only one that got taken to task over it was Trump.

    That's just not true


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    #3758
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,148 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I see he mentioned Antifa, but most media are leading with the so called threat from white supremacists.

    Can you imagine if white groups were carrying on like BLM and Antifa have been this summer. People would be howling from the roof tops. Something very off and sinister about the topics the media are choosing to push.

    Did you miss the below? Also the fact that the US law enforcement has far right groups as a much higher threat (to the point Trump administration put pressure on them to change it)

    https://twitter.com/8NewsNow/status/1268751901832687623?s=20


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    #3759
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,599 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Come on, man... Biden did the same thing shouting over Trump, and Chris Wallace did the same thing shouting over Trump. The only one that got taken to task over it was Trump.

    Did you even watch it lol

    I get it, you're invested at this stage to the point where you cannot bring yourself to say a bad word about trump but the fact is Trump used his usual bully boy tactics to try and shout over both Biden and Wallace and he was handed his ass on a silver plate for it.

    Maybe in the next debate he will show a bit more decorum and respect for both his opponent and the moderators and let them speak when its their turn. I dont believe he will, I think he is too thick to allow a fair debate but hey, we live in hope.


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    #3760
    1800_Ladladlad
    Registered Users Posts: 3,366 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Of course Chris Wallace was biased against Trump. I called that one. Wallace interrupted Trump something like 35 times. He didn’t interrupt Biden once. Also, Wallace kept pushing left-wing talking points to help Biden out and hurt Trump.

    I believe Wallace interrupts the President 75 times but biden only 15 times .......roll in the excuses.

    https://t.co/frvofUnHT4?amp=1


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    #3761
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    1800_Ladladlad wrote: »
    I believe Wallace interrupts the President 75 times but biden only 15 times .......roll in the excuses.

    https://t.co/frvofUnHT4?amp=1

    It's the same reason that the unruly child in a classroom is also the one most often told to sit down.


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    #3762
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    If you constantly try to speak over people when it isn't your turn to talk, you will get interrupted by the moderator.


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    #3763
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Tony EH wrote: »
    If you constantly try to speak over people when it isn't your turn to talk, you will get interrupted by the moderator.

    Dear leader will not be questioned. If he was being interrupted, there is no way that it could be because of his own actions. Dear leader cannot be at fault.


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    #3764
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Polling is a science and the only kind we have that could "point us to the science that you claim supporters of Trump are ignoring because they do not believe in science"

    I don't know what else you want are you asking me to find a formula for a chemical compound that can read minds?

    You brought science into this...if you'd said polling data you'd have saved us time.

    Polling data on this topic is a joke...the data that isn't interfered with for political reasons is all that matters, and I'd imagine, there isn't too much of that out there either!!!


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    #3765
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Did you even watch it lol

    I get it, you're invested at this stage to the point where you cannot bring yourself to say a bad word about trump but the fact is Trump used his usual bully boy tactics to try and shout over both Biden and Wallace and he was handed his ass on a silver plate for it.

    Maybe in the next debate he will show a bit more decorum and respect for both his opponent and the moderators and let them speak when its their turn. I dont believe he will, I think he is too thick to allow a fair debate but hey, we live in hope.
    Sure did watch it. I know what I saw. Perhaps it's you who are too invested and unable to say a bad word about Biden.

    The next debate will be hosted by CSPAN. CSPAN's methods on their regular programming won't help anyone out if they follow that format for the debate. What CSPAN does is pose a question and just let the guests talk and say their piece. They don't challenge anyone on lies or inaccuracies. They let it up to the opposing side do that. If that is the case the debate will be little more that R & D talking points, not a debate.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #3766
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 26,548 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    You brought science into this...if you'd said polling data you'd have saved us time.

    Polling data on this topic is a joke...the data that isn't interfered with for political reasons is all that matters, and I'd imagine, there isn't too much of that out there either!!!

    Typical it doesn't suit you so it's fake news.

    I said Trump rallies are full of conspiracy nuts and I stand by that. Disprove it


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    #3767
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Typical it doesn't suit you so it's fake news

    Stop...you brought science into this, you shouldn't have, lets just let it go.


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    #3768
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 26,548 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    Stop...you brought science into this, you shouldn't have, lets just let it go.

    I gave you science and you called it fake so it's your turn to prove me wrong

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psephology


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    #3769
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,599 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Sure did watch it. I know what I saw. Perhaps it's you who are too invested and unable to say a bad word about Biden.

    The next debate will be hosted by CSPAN. CSPAN's methods on their regular programming won't help anyone out if they follow that format for the debate. What CSPAN does is pose a question and just let the guests talk and say their piece. They don't challenge anyone on lies or inaccuracies. They let it up to the opposing side do that. If that is the case the debate will be little more that R & D talking points, not a debate.

    Yes but they are not allowed to just ramble on and talk over their opponent the way Trump tries to. If he does try that again I would expect moderation to call him up on it and you'll be here the following day crying about the unfairness of it.


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    #3770
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 13,610 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Steve "Everything Trump touches, dies" Schmidt of the Lincoln Project has a lengthy commentary on the debate on MSNBC. This nugget though, is really telling:

    "2020 and 2016 are different elections. Everybody in the media is understating Biden's strength right now and overstating Trump's because no one wants to be wrong again. Joe Biden has the biggest lead of any Presidential candidate in the modern era. It's the biggest, the broadest, the most durable lead you've seen in the modern era and that lead is going to get bigger, not smaller, after this debate."

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/9/30/1981965/-Steve-Schmidt-masterful-takedown-of-Trump-s-entire-debate-performance


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    #3771
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Yes but they are not allowed to just ramble on and talk over their opponent the way Trump tries to. If he does try that again I would expect moderation to call him up on it and you'll be here the following day crying about the unfairness of it.

    Hmmm... Only Trump, eh?

    They both rambled, and Biden stumbled some but didn't across as a total bumbling fool, so his campaign could consider that a win, I guess. Face it Trump got in more clearer statements during the debate, and Biden came across as a shifty politician with mere talking points and no substance.

    And that might be good to challenge BOTH candidates on some matters, but that's not the way CSPAN rolls.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #3772
    astrofool
    Registered Users Posts: 16,738 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Come on, man... Biden did the same thing shouting over Trump, and Chris Wallace did the same thing shouting over Trump. The only one that got taken to task over it was Trump.

    So what you're saying is that small hand Trump got pwned by big boy Biden? And Biden got away with it! Poor little Donald.


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    #3773
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    astrofool wrote: »
    So what you're saying is that small hand Trump got pwned by big boy Biden? And Biden got away with it! Poor little Donald.
    Not at all. Trump won the debate with clearer and more precise statements, despite the fact that the deck was stacked against him.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #3774
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,599 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Hmmm... Only Trump, eh?

    They both rambled, and Biden stumbled some but didn't across as a total bumbling fool, so his campaign could consider that a win, I guess. Face it Trump got in more clearer statements during the debate, and Biden came across as a shifty politician with mere talking points and no substance.

    And that might be good to challenge BOTH candidates on some matters, but that's not the way CSPAN rolls.

    And oh how disappointing that that must have been for you. How many months of "sleepy joe" and "obvious cognitive decline" did we have to listen to and then out comes Biden and slaps Trump down for the loud mouth he is.

    Trumps probably still wondering what happened to him, I'd say that's the first time in his life he's ever been told to shut up, and being called a clown not once but twice!!!! He's probably hiding in his bunker and asking his security detail if its safe to come out yet.


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    #3775
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,599 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Not at all. Trump won the debate with clearer and more precise statements, despite the fact that the deck was stacked against him.

    :pac:


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    #3776
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,148 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Not at all. Trump won the debate with clearer and more precise statements, despite the fact that the deck was stacked against him.

    The deck being the rules that Trump's own campaign agreed to and he tried to ignore last night? :confused:


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    #3777
    RIGOLO
    Site Banned Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭RIGOLO


    Tell me how wrote: »
    200,000 dead from a pandemic he got 3 months notice on.
    Highest unemployment rate in nearly 100 years.
    Played for a fool by Kim Jong-Un.
    Backward steps in environmental issues.
    Played for a fool by Putin.
    Stoked the fire of racial division.
    Played for a fool by Saudi Arabia.

    WTF would a bad record be?

    I see Ireland have declared they will miss their emissions targets for 2020 .. but but butt we signed the piece of paper that time we went to La Vielle Lumiere and partied by the Eiffel tower... lets pat ourselves on the back

    PARIS Climate accord worthless .. do your research .. it was lambasted by many left enviromental groups when it was signed ... I was there and saw the protests ... soon as Trump walked away from this worthless piece of paper few if ANY country is living up to, the liberals suddenly embraced it as their biblical gospel ....
    I wouldnt scratch the methane from my butt with it .

    When the major nations of the world start meeting their targets and commitments in the Paris accord, maybe then they can start mud-slinging the Trump Administration ...
    Trump signs $3B-a-year plan to boost conservation, parks
    President Donald Trump signed legislation Tuesday that will devote nearly $3 billion a year to conservation projects, outdoor recreation and maintenance of national parks and other public lands following its overwhelming approval by both parties in Congress. Supporters say the Great American Outdoors Act is the most significant conservation legislation enacted in nearly half a century.
    https://apnews.com/article/b05f9869fc7840fb0eb66a87ec8eeda1

    main stream faux news missed this when falling over themselves to spin some BS calling twump a waycist ...


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    #3778
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    1800_Ladladlad wrote: »
    I believe Wallace interrupts the President 75 times but biden only 15 times .......roll in the excuses.

    https://t.co/frvofUnHT4?amp=1

    The one who constantly interrupts will get interrupted more.


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    #3779
    astrofool
    Registered Users Posts: 16,738 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Not at all. Trump won the debate with clearer and more precise statements, despite the fact that the deck was stacked against him.

    Yes, clearly Fox News thinks he's a loser as well now, and he needs a proud moderator for his next debate so that Biden doesn't bully him as much, poor little Donny!


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    #3780
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    The deck being the rules that Trump's own campaign agreed to and he tried to ignore last night? :confused:
    No, the fact that Chris Wallace should have been wearing a 'I'm for Biden' campaign button on his lapel.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #3781
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    astrofool wrote: »
    Yes, clearly Fox News thinks he's a loser as well now, and he needs a proud moderator for his next debate so that Biden doesn't bully him as much, poor little Donny!
    Mark my words... It was so bad for Biden that his campaign will be looking for ways and excuses for him to get out of the next two debates.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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