Who thinks Trump will win?

dwayneshintzy

So...... US citizens should not be allowed to criticise the government if they are immigrants?

You seem to be conflating "love of country" with unquestioned love of who's in power, which speak to a very authoritarian sensibility. I'd say ou'd love China.

Outlaw Pete

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

So...... US citizens should not be allowed to criticise the government if they are immigrants?

You seem to be conflating "love of country" with unquestioned love of who's in power, which speak to a very authoritarian sensibility. I'd say ou'd love China.

She can say what she likes. Have any opinion she wants. As can the POTUS. Welcome to America.


In other news, I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to make sure Hunter is doing alright as his life is about to get a whole lot worse if the following is true:


https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1318698971729137664


An investigation is going to have to be carried out by Congress on why it is that even though this laptop was in the possession of the FBI for so long, they intially did diddly zip.

dwayneshintzy

If there was child pornography on that harddrive, why did Rudy Giuliani hold on to it for so long (rather than alert law enforcement straight away), and why did he show it to ANYONE else? Is that not distribution of illegal material in and of itself?

joseywhales

Perhaps he just wanted some time with the material?

juice1304

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LuSpHJNPe0&ab_channel=RudyW.Giuliani

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Not.

If some white South African, or white Moldovan, or white Ukrainian (etc etc etc) became a member of congress and then began spewing out the same kind of bile that up-start Omar has, about how the current US administration are fascists, then you can bet your arse Trump would tell them to go back to the countries from whence they came and fix the problems there before returning back and telling him how to run America. Some people said something. It wasn't remotely a racist statement.

White people criricise Trump and his administration all the time and he never used the same rhetoric.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

She can say what she likes. Have any opinion she wants. As can the POTUS. Welcome to America.


In other news, I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to make sure Hunter is doing alright as his life is about to get a whole lot worse if the following is true:


https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1318698971729137664


An investigation is going to have to be carried out by Congress on why it is that even though this laptop was in the possession of the FBI for so long, they intially did diddly zip.

Goggked John Posobiec.

John Michael Posobiec III (/pəˈsoʊbɪk/ pə-SOH-bik; born December 14, 1985)[1] is an American alt-right[2][3][4] political activist and conspiracy theorist[5] who is considered an Internet troll...

Stopped reading.

iebamm2580

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Goggked John Posobiec.

John Michael Posobiec III (/pəˈsoʊbɪk/ pə-SOH-bik; born December 14, 1985)[1] is an American alt-right[2][3][4] political activist and conspiracy theorist[5] who is considered an Internet troll...

Stopped reading.

Are you saying what he claims is false that the fbi are not looking into the laptop?

Scot_in_Dublin

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

She can say what she likes. Have any opinion she wants. As can the POTUS. Welcome to America.


In other news, I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to make sure Hunter is doing alright as his life is about to get a whole lot worse if the following is true:


https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1318698971729137664


An investigation is going to have to be carried out by Congress on why it is that even though this laptop was in the possession of the FBI for so long, they intially did diddly zip.

So after sitting in this for however many months he has now turned it over to the police. The guy who went after and prosecuted the Mafia sat on this through congressional hearings, the impeachment etc and did nothing to now hand it over.

To be honest, if I was Trump, I'd be pretty annoyed that my personal lawyer held all this so long when my approval ratings have been tanking for the past year.

I would also imagine that the authorities would take a dim view of anyone who knowingly has this kind of material in their possession for some time, only makes it available to them when its convenient.

Scot_in_Dublin

To add to my last post, should the claims of underage people being involved be proven to be true I would agree that Hunter should be prosecuted. However he is not running for president right now.

And as I said before, if Rudy has been sitting that level of stuff for this length of time I would only hope that he is prosecuted also.

Scot_in_Dublin

iebamm2580 wrote: »

supposed text messages to joe biden from hunter about underage aspect, if so he should be prosecuted too. Hard to believe it all though.

And if also proven to be real, which isn't impossible, I would also agree. However there does seen to still be a whole lot of uncertainty about if these are real. It still doesn't excuse the fact that a trusted inner circle person of President Trump had all of this data and has only now chosen to share it. If true, it goes way beyond party politics and one upmanship. And you can bet your bottom dollar that the President has known about it one way or another for some time and decided it should be used at this time.

iebamm2580

Scot_in_Dublin wrote: »

And if also proven to be real, which isn't impossible, I would also agree. However there does seen to still be a whole lot of uncertainty about if these are real. It still doesn't excuse the fact that a trusted inner circle person of President Trump had all of this data and has only now chosen to share it. If true, it goes way beyond party politics and one upmanship. And you can bet your bottom dollar that the President has known about it ine way or another for some time.

it has been said the emails are true and not part of a Russian disinformation campaign, in all fairness trump cant be blamed for this one. This has nothing to do with trump so i dont agree with having a slight on him in this particular scenario.

Scot_in_Dublin

iebamm2580 wrote: »

it has been said the emails are true and not part of a Russian disinformation campaign, in all fairness trump cant be blamed for this one. This has nothing to do with trump so i dont agree with having a slight on him in this particular scenario.

So Rudy saying he's had it for almost a year by some accounts, through the entire impeachment process etc and you reckon he was not made aware of it?

iebamm2580

Scot_in_Dublin wrote: »

So Rudy saying he's had it for almost a year by some accounts, through the entire impeachment process etc and you reckon he was not made aware of it?

im not saying its right if he did know but you are trying to muddy the waters by throwing trump in when he had nothing to do with the criminal situation, this is what i hate about left/right politics. Hunter biden is at fault here simple as, if it was trump at fault i would say the same thing to right wing people if there were somehow trying to blame biden.

Scot_in_Dublin

iebamm2580 wrote: »

im not saying its right if he did know but you are trying to muddy the waters by throwing trump in when he had nothing to do with the criminal situation, this is what i hate about left/right politics. Hunter biden is at fault here simple as, if it was trump at fault i would say the same thing to right wing people if there were somehow trying to blame biden.

Honestly, I'm not. I've been accused of being left wing a few times due to my views of Trump, his presidency and his actions. Hunter is not an angel. He has his issues, and should the underage thing be proven to be true I will be the first person to say yes, indict, prosecute and convict. However as I've said, Rudy is a close confidant of the president, seems to have sat on this for many months and is now just bringing it to light? I don't buy it. And I also, with all respect, do not believe that this information was not discussed with either the President or at the very least his top advisors. If I was Trump, as soon as that info was there I would have made sure it got to the right folks to not only investigate but validate it.

Frankly I'm stunned that this has been sitting with them so long, and they only now, 3 weeks before the election decide to bring it all out.

And if all of the Hunter stuff is true, it's a sad day when you sit on it, and then use this kind of stuff as your 'win' for not only an election, but life in general.

joseywhales

And this is why we have a legal system. Allegations mean nothing.

iebamm2580

Scot_in_Dublin wrote: »

Honestly, I'm not. I've been accused of being left wing a few times due to my views of Trump, his presidency and his actions. Hunter is not an angel. He has his issues, and should the underage thing be proven to be true I will be the first person to say yes, indict, prosecute and convict. However as I've said, Rudy is a close confidant of the president, seems to have sat on this for many months and is now just bringing it to light? I don't buy it. And I also, with all respect, do not believe that this information was not discussed with either the President or at the very least his top advisors. If I was Trump, as soon as that info was there I would have made sure it got to the right folks to not only investigate but validate it.

Frankly I'm stunned that this has been sitting with them so long, and they only now, 3 weeks before the election decide to bring it all out.

And if all of the Hunter stuff is true, it's a sad day when you sit on it, and then use this kind of stuff as your 'win' for not only an election, but life in general.

My point is all the focus should be on hunter biden and not political point scoring by somehow bringing trump into this, im not pro trump or biden, its just the way politics is now that facts are twisted to suit narratives, i see it on boards all the time.

Scot_in_Dublin

joseywhales wrote: »

And this is why we have a legal system. Allegations mean nothing.

Absolutely, and once fully investigated if something is found I fully expect an indictment, trial and prosecution. If however it turns out to be a red herring I would equally expect some kind of legal ramification against Rudy and whomever else was part of this.

joseywhales

iebamm2580 wrote: »

My point is all the focus should be on hunter biden and not political point scoring by somehow bringing trump into this, im not pro trump or biden, its just the way politics is now that facts are twisted to suit narratives, i see it on boards all the time.

Why should there be any focus on hunter biden? Is he running for office?

Also he stands officially accused of, much less convicted of nothing, he is as innocent as you or I as things stand.

Scot_in_Dublin

iebamm2580 wrote: »

My point is all the focus should be on hunter biden and not political point scoring by somehow bringing trump into this, im not pro trump or biden, its just the way politics is now that facts are twisted to suit narratives, i see it on boards all the time.

I agree absolutely. It is not something that should be involved in the current election cycle.

iebamm2580

joseywhales wrote: »

Why should there be any focus on hunter biden? Is he running for office?

Also he stands officially accused of, much less convicted of nothing, he is as innocent as you or I as things stand.

The story thats breaking is about hunter biden so yes i would expect all the focus to be on hunter biden. You do know people can talk about allegations too.

Scot_in_Dublin

joseywhales wrote: »

Why should there be any focus on hunter biden? Is he running for office?

Also he stands officially accused of, much less convicted of nothing, he is as innocent as you or I as things stand.

Indeed. Absolutely, innocent until proven guilty.

joseywhales

iebamm2580 wrote: »

The story thats breaking is about hunter biden so yes i would expect all the focus to be on hunter biden. You do know people can talk about allegations too.

Yes but when they come from rudi guiliani the man who said "truth isn't truth" with a clear interest in creating a false narrative about anyone connected to joe biden, I think I'll take it with a grain of salt.

Now give me a indictment and I'll start to consider it.

Quantum Erasure

Igotadose wrote: »

What's the #IMPOTUS's plan?

AqPOTUS

~Rebel~

Had a quick glance at the texts Hunter allegedly sent Joe and from reading them the context appeared to me to be that Hunter was retelling what the woman (a former partner i think?) had been saying about him and other girls (presumably underage i guess, though the text doesn't say it), and saying that he was creating an unsafe environment for kids. It seems like Hunter was pissed off with that retelling. He adds that if it stopped there I would have let it go, but then this person said it to his sobriety coach too.

So from reading it, it doesn't look like an admission of those things, but more of a denial of them, and being pissed off that they were being said about him and that he intended to take action against those allegations.

Who knows if the things this person was saying about him are true or not, but it would I think be difficult to be able to use those texts to show that Joe himself was complicit in those events, as it reads like a denial of those events.

And maybe there's more texts that say different, but these are the ones that Rudy actively picked out and shared, so one would imagine these are the most damaging ones he could find.

iebamm2580

joseywhales wrote: »

Yes but when they come from rudi guiliani the man who said "truth isn't truth" with a clear interest in creating a false narrative about anyone connected to joe biden, I think I'll take it with a grain of salt.

Now give me a indictment and I'll start to consider it.

i wouldnt trust him either but it is alleged that the emails are legitimate and not part of Russian disinformation according to the doj and the fbi so i will trust them, this other underage stuff i find harder to believe and will wait for more info.

Scot_in_Dublin

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Had a quick glance at the texts Hunter allegedly sent Joe and from reading them the context appeared to me to be that Hunter was retelling what the woman (a former partner i think?) had been saying about him and other girls (presumably underage i guess, though the text doesn't say it), and saying that he was creating an unsafe environment for kids. It seems like Hunter was pissed off with that retelling. He adds that if it stopped there I would have let it go, but then this person said it to his sobriety coach too.

So from reading it, it doesn't look like an admission of those things, but more of a denial of them, and being pissed off that they were being said about him and that he intended to take action against those allegations.

Who knows if the things this person was saying about him are true or not, but it would I think be difficult to be able to use those texts to show that Joe himself was complicit in those events, as it reads like a denial of those events.

And maybe there's more texts that say different, but these are the ones that Rudy actively picked out and shared, so one would imagine these are the most damaging ones he could find.

Just a thought, but if you are an addict and potentially around kids, it would for an unsafe environment. Not in the way it seems to be being spun, but it's kinda like saying to an alcoholic, hey you're not being sensible or responsible. You wouldn't be the best person to be around kids.

I've not had a chance to read them yet so my view on them may be way off. Will check them out when I get some time this morning.

dwayneshintzy

iebamm2580 wrote: »

i wouldnt trust him either but it is alleged that the emails are legitimate and not part of Russian disinformation according to the doj and the fbi so i will trust them, this other underage stuff i find harder to believe and will wait for more info.

The Department of Justice and FBI announced this? Have you a link to where they did so?


I know a Trump National Security appointee had said so on Fox News, I wasn't aware that the DOJ or FBI had made an official statement.

Scot_in_Dublin

vojiwox wrote: »

Just like he asked Biden to prove where he was born. It wasn't only Obama and Harris he started the birther stuff with.

When did he do this? I maybe missed it.

~Rebel~

Scot_in_Dublin wrote: »

When did he do this? I maybe missed it.

It was a different thing altogether really. Not a nationality birther thing. It was at a rally in Scranton, where Biden was born, Trump first said that was going to be Biden's way of ingratiating himself there. I think he may have even said he doubted it, though quickly changed that mid-speech and instead said that though he was born there, that Joe had abandoned it, because he and his parents moved away when Biden was 10.

Which is a kinda weird thing to try to get people to hold against someone... how dare someone's parents move from Scranton to Delaware in search of work when they were a kid..