Who thinks Trump will win?

Scot_in_Dublin · 21-10-2020 6:10am

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Trump did not say America wasn't her country or that she wasn't an American citizen .. and nor did I.

He merely suggested (after she ran her mouth about the US Administration being fascistic) that she: return to where she came from originally, fix the problems there, then come back and advise the current US administration how to run America.

Again, had a white Congressperson (that was originally from say South Africa, Moldova, or Ukraine etc, suggested that the US Administration was fascist like Omar did, Trump would've for certain said the same to them. There was nothing racist about the comments given they weren't made because of her skin colour. They were in fact made about an immigrant in the US who was given a chance at the American Dream, achieved it, then had the neck to speak as poorly as she did about the US. Clearly she does not love her new country. Nobody is saying she shouldn't have the political views she does but her expressed radical left views are nauseating given they make devils of the very country which enables her to live a charmed life.

He also 'suggested' the same of others weirdly enough:

"Tlaib, a Palestinian American, was born in Michigan; Omar, a Somali refugee, moved to the United States when she was 12 and is a naturalized citizen; Ocasio-Cortez, who is of Latin American descent, was born in New York; and Pressley, who is African American, was born in Cincinnati."

I'm sure there is a connection between them all. Maybe it's because they are all members of Congress...

Scot_in_Dublin · 21-10-2020 6:14am

~Rebel~ wrote: »

It was a different thing altogether really. Not a nationality birther thing. It was at a rally in Scranton, where Biden was born, Trump first said that was going to be Biden's way of ingratiating himself there. I think he may have even said he doubted it, though quickly changed that mid-speech and instead said that though he was born there, that Joe had abandoned it, because he and his parents moved away when Biden was 10.

Which is a kinda weird thing to try to get people to hold against someone... how dare someone's parents move from Scranton to Delaware in search of work..

Ah, so a kind of he wasn't born in this town thing as opposed to the full on they were not born here and even if they were I demand to see their birth certs, and even if I see them they are fake.

Outlaw Pete · 21-10-2020 7:33am

Birthergate was going on long before Trump largely helped put the matter to bed (in most people's mind that had felt there may have been something in it).

Although Obama's half-brother dragged it back up later on for a time.

Oh and Trump questioned Ted Cruz's eligibility in that regard also.

sydthebeat · 21-10-2020 7:40am

Back to the "many people say" rhetoric again then......

21-10-2020 7:44am

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Birthergate was going on long before Trump largely helped put the matter to bed (in most people's mind that had felt there may have been something in it).

Although Obama's half-brother dragged it back up later on for a time.

Oh and Trump questioned Ted Cruz's eligibility in that regard also.

Pete, Trump was pushing conspiracies about Obama having people killed to cover up his birth cert being fake. Him briefly saying it about Cruz is not comparable to the concerted campaign he had against Obama. The fact you even think it's defensible is bizarre.

westdublin · 21-10-2020 7:54am

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

If there was child pornography on that harddrive, why did Rudy Giuliani hold on to it for so long (rather than alert law enforcement straight away), and why did he show it to ANYONE else? Is that not distribution of illegal material in and of itself?

because he wants to be charged with possession of child pornography, a little bit sick when you think of it isn't it, he and trump had a laptop with images of child pornography for over a year and never told anyone, wonder how many times they viewed the images :eek:

21-10-2020 8:00am

Delaware Police have passed it on to the FBI due to credibility issues.

westdublin · 21-10-2020 8:19am

Deleted User wrote: »

Delaware Police have passed it on to the FBI due to credibility issues.

I wonder when the arrest warrant will be issued for Rudy, the blind repair shop guy and anyone else claiming to have viewed the images.

Remember simple possession of this material is a crime and there is a legal obligation for anyone who comes into possession of this type of material to alert the law enforcement agencies.

Billy Mays · 21-10-2020 8:26am

What's this about Trump putting the birthergate matter to bed???

osarusan · 21-10-2020 8:38am

Billy Mays wrote: »

What's this about Trump putting the birthergate matter to bed???

Gas isn't it?

Being part of a harrassment campaign that leads to Obama releasing his birth cert = 'helping put the matter to bed'.

What a f**king slant to put on it.

stefanovich · 21-10-2020 8:45am

osarusan wrote: »

Gas isn't it?

Being part of a harrassment campaign that leads to Obama releasing his birth cert = 'helping put the matter to bed'.

What a f**king slant to put on it.

He helped to put the matter to bed because Orange man bad so if he makes an accusation it is immediately considered false and dismissed.

Was this not all started by Clinton supporters?

https://www.politico.com/story/2011/04/birtherism-where-it-all-began-053563

Billy Mays · 21-10-2020 8:50am

osarusan wrote: »

Gas isn't it?

Being part of a harrassment campaign that leads to Obama releasing his birth cert = 'helping put the matter to bed'.

What a f**king slant to put on it.

And I bet you that tan suit wearing ingrate didn't even send him a thank you card

The mental gymnastics some of Donnie's clapping seals will perform in order to paint him in a good light will never cease to amaze me

starlit · 21-10-2020 10:48am

I think Biden win it marginally or else there will be a gap between them. I think Biden has a better chance of winning at this stage. Since Trump got Covid I think things have turned for him.

Igotadose · 21-10-2020 10:49am

stefanovich wrote: »

Not increasing taxes. Not removing jobs.

Where has he published that?

RWCNT · 21-10-2020 10:50am

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Birthergate was going on long before Trump largely helped put the matter to bed (in most people's mind that had felt there may have been something in it).

Although Obama's half-brother dragged it back up later on for a time.

Oh and Trump questioned Ted Cruz's eligibility in that regard also.

That article doesn't mention a single thing about Trump. Do you have any understanding whatsoever of how the American govt works? The president doesn't have a direct hand in everything that happens in the nation during their term.

Not sure what kind of point you think you're making by bringing up Trump pulling the same sort of nonsense on a hispanic political rival, that's further evidence against him.

stefanovich · 21-10-2020 10:51am

Igotadose wrote: »

Where has he published that?

His tax plan will result in higher unemployment and lower growth.

Igotadose · 21-10-2020 10:52am

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

AqPOTUS

No, he was impeached but not convicted of crimes. Hth

Igotadose · 21-10-2020 10:53am

stefanovich wrote: »

His tax plan will result in higher unemployment and lower growth.

Link ? To Trumps tax plan that states such.

stefanovich · 21-10-2020 10:54am

Igotadose wrote: »

Link ? To Trumps tax plan that states such.

https://taxfoundation.org/joe-biden-tax-plan-2020/

Phoebas · 21-10-2020 10:59am

stefanovich wrote: »

His tax plan will result in higher unemployment and lower growth.

Here's the unemployment numbers under Obama and then Trump.
The lowering unemployment rate under Obama continued under Trump until his disastrous handling of the Covid crisis.

The economy will not recover under an administration who aren't capable of dealing with Covid.

Igotadose · 21-10-2020 11:00am

stefanovich wrote: »

https://taxfoundation.org/joe-biden-tax-plan-2020/

I asked repeatedly about TRUMP'S tax plan. Have you got a link to it?

stefanovich · 21-10-2020 11:04am

Igotadose wrote: »

I asked repeatedly about TRUMP'S tax plan. Have you got a link to it?

Not to hand... I thought you were implying that I got my info from the Trump campaign which is untrue so I provide you the source of the data.

https://lmgtfy.app/?q=trump+tax+plan+2020

ohnonotgmail · 21-10-2020 11:06am

stefanovich wrote: »

Not increasing taxes. Not removing jobs.

stefanovich wrote: »

Not to hand... I thought you were implying that I got my info from the Trump campaign which is untrue so I provide you the source of the data.

https://lmgtfy.app/?q=trump+tax+plan+2020

how do you know what trumps tax plan will entail if you haven't read it?

stefanovich · 21-10-2020 11:10am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

how do you know what trumps tax plan will entail if you haven't read it?

Biden's tax plan is what I am talking about!

Trump plan is to cut even more taxes and create even more jobs.

Igotadose · 21-10-2020 11:16am

stefanovich wrote: »

Biden's tax plan is what I am talking about!

Trump plan is to cut even more taxes and create even more jobs.

Has anyone analyzed the impact of such a plan or projected it? How given the massive ongoing job loss of 2020 under Trump will things improve?

ohnonotgmail · 21-10-2020 11:18am

stefanovich wrote: »

Biden's tax plan is what I am talking about!

Trump plan is to cut even more taxes and create even more jobs.

what is trumps tax plan? have you read it? if so you should have no problem providing a link.

gizmo · 21-10-2020 11:22am

stefanovich wrote: »

Biden's tax plan is what I am talking about!

Trump plan is to cut even more taxes and create even more jobs.

What do you think the following measures will accomplish?

Imposing a new 10 percent surtax on corporations that “offshore manufacturing and service jobs to foreign nations in order to sell goods or provide services back to the American market.” This surtax would raise the effective corporate tax rate on this activity up to 30.8 percent.

Establishing an advanceable 10 percent “Made in America” tax credit for activities that restore production, revitalize existing closed or closing facilities, retool facilities to advance manufacturing employment, or expand manufacturing payroll.

RIGOLO · 21-10-2020 11:33am

stefanovich wrote: »

Biden's tax plan is what I am talking about!

Trump plan is to cut even more taxes and create even more jobs.

Obama wanted massive corproation tax cut also going from 35% to 28% but due to ineptitude couldnt get it thru cos he lost the seats.

That was the hypocrisy of the left when Trump did his 35 to 21% cut.
They conveniently forgot St Obama wanted the same thing a massive corporate tax cut.. it was just a matter of how much. But no it was Trump tax cuts for corporations, oh well thats bad and for 4 years their devotees have embraced that idea. I guess they disagree with Obama so.

Bidens , plagiarising much of the Trump strategy , with claims to bring back manufacturing , get tough on China , even some of Bidens tax plan is plagiarised.

It was always clear TRumps policies were by and large the right policy and sooner or later the left would have to embrace them . So now there agreement on what needs to be done its just a semantics and perception exercise for the voter of who you want to do these things.
Optins being Biden who didnt do any of these things in 47 years of public life .. or Trump who has made inroads on them in 4 years as POTUS.

ohnonotgmail · 21-10-2020 11:35am

RIGOLO wrote: »

Obama wanted massive corproation tax cut also going from 35% to 28% but due to ineptitude couldnt get it thru cos he lost the seats.

so obama couldn't get his tax cuts through congress because the GOP opposed them?

duploelabs · 21-10-2020 11:36am

RIGOLO wrote: »

Obama wanted massive corproation tax cut also going from 35% to 28% but due to ineptitude couldnt get it thru cos he lost the seats.

That was the hypocrisy of the left when Trump did his 35 to 21% cut.
They conveniently forgot St Obama wanted the same thing a massive corporate tax cut.. it was just a matter of how much. But no it was Trump tax cuts for corporations, oh well thats bad and for 4 years their devotees have embraced that idea. I guess they disagree with Obama so.

Bidens , plagiarising much of the Trump strategy , with claims to bring back manufacturing , get tough on China , even some of Bidens tax plan is plagiarised.

It was always clear TRumps policies were by and large the right policy and sooner or later the left would have to embrace them . So now there agreement on what needs to be done its just a semantics and perception exercise for the voter of who you want to do these things.
Optins being Biden who didnt do any of these things in 47 years of public life .. or Trump who has made inroads on them in 4 years as POTUS.

Eh no, that'd be Mitch McConnell blocking everything in the senate

Who thinks Trump will win?

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