Who thinks Trump will win?

vojiwox

newhouse87 wrote: »

https://www.indy100.com/article/chris-pratt-politics-debate-twitter-matthew-yglesias-9723508

why would they bother say they are conservative when you see the reaction chris pratt got.

What were you getting at here?

astrofool

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

They'd never do that though as they don't want Trump extrapolating on why he feels the FISA courts were abused by the administration which Biden was VP of or why he believes the Biden laptop emails are not merely Russian misinformation. The liberal media are corrupted, end of story. Only leftists and the uninformed could legitimately think otherwise.

Explain why Rudy didn't release the easily verifiable evidence from the laptop that he was given? Everything could be cleared up, and little-hands could have the white house while his opponent is being tried. The whole story doesn't add up, except in your up is down, Donny is awesome little world, it purely exists to create doubt about Biden for blithering idiot Trumpistas to jump on.

astrofool

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Chris Pratt, James Woods, Vince Vaughan etc, all get ripped apart and ridiculed when they express a conservative viewpoint. This sends the message to others that if they dare to do similar, the same will happen to them but don't make the mistake of thinking that that therefore means that 99.9% of those in the entertainment fields have lefty opinions. They don't, they just know that expressing their political views if they don't align with whatever the liberal opinion of the day is, is very likely to negatively impact their bank balance and so wisely choose to keep schtum instead, only making their true feelings known in the ballot box.

This wasn't as big an issue during Bush/Reagan/Bush administrations, the reason it's highlighted now is a) social media makes it easily viewable b) Trump is an as*hole and seems to infect everyone he works with (literally these days)

vojiwox

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

All you're doing is highlighting how poisoned the entertainment industry in Western Society has become, much like the news media. In America you have roughly half the electorate voting conservative and yet 99.9% of "entertainers" who express their political opinions, do so only when they are leftie ones.

Many reasons for this of course but only a fool would believe it's a true reflection of what those in the entertainment realm think. Statistically it simply can not be true and so the question is then why would the only political views being expressed be liberal and the answer is because an echo chamber has been cultivated over the last 20-30 years which ensures that anyone expressing alternate views to whatever the liberal consensus is, will be treated like a pariah.

A good recent example is how Jimmy Fallon was treated just for joking around with Trump:

https://apnews.com/article/d599adbc29d54df1b2a463d7ac3737f7


Chris Pratt, James Woods, Vince Vaughan etc, all get ripped apart and ridiculed when they express a conservative viewpoint. This sends the message to others that if they dare to do similar, the same will happen to them but don't make the mistake of thinking that that therefore means that 99.9% of those in the entertainment fields have lefty opinions. They don't, they just know that expressing their political views if they don't align with whatever the liberal opinion of the day is, is very likely to negatively impact their bank balance and so wisely choose to keep schtum instead, only making their true feelings known in the ballot box.

Certain industries could have a very high percentage of either side though?

Not saying 99.9 but maybe a much higher than 50 percent national average say.

Tell me how

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

All you're doing is highlighting how poisoned the entertainment industry in Western Society has become, much like the news media. In America you have roughly half the electorate voting conservative and yet 99.9% of "entertainers" who express their political opinions, do so only when they are leftie ones.

Many reasons for this of course but only a fool would believe it's a true reflection of what those in the entertainment realm think. Statistically it simply can not be true and so the question is then why would the only political views being expressed be liberal and the answer is because an echo chamber has been cultivated over the last 20-30 years which ensures that anyone expressing alternate views to whatever the liberal consensus is, will be treated like a pariah.

A good recent example is how Jimmy Fallon was treated just for joking around with Trump:

https://apnews.com/article/d599adbc29d54df1b2a463d7ac3737f7


Chris Pratt, James Woods, Vince Vaughan etc, all get ripped apart and ridiculed when they express a conservative viewpoint. This sends the message to others that if they dare to do similar, the same will happen to them but don't make the mistake of thinking that that therefore means that 99.9% of those in the entertainment fields have lefty opinions. They don't, they just know that expressing their political views if they don't align with whatever the liberal opinion of the day is, is very likely to negatively impact their bank balance and so wisely choose to keep schtum instead, only making their true feelings known in the ballot box.

In America, highly dense urban regions are overwhelmingly Democratic.
Where do the entertainers who you are decrying live? Highly dense Urban regions.

You cannot imply that that up to 50% of them are expressing a view contrary to their beliefs without being willing to explore this fact and also other factors which exist such as the likelihood of someone within such an industry, when compared to another one (say acting when compared to mining) be to be openly gay. People in artistic industries are generally more inclusive of those who have been marginalised and as a consequence are of a more liberal mindset than a conservative one which would have suggested such feelings are against the wishes of God and can/should be changed.

One final point, you are correct in an evolving mindset over 20-30 years. Think what has happened in that time. The advance of the internet and the absolute explosion of social media means that people are more and more aware of circumstances outside their own small town and existence and are against the idea of societies views leading to the oppression of personal natural desires in terms of sexuality, a male driven government excessively regulating the health of females or the demand that big business is an all conquering behemoth which must not be constrained irrespective of the impact on the quality of life of those who it is supposedly there to serve.

Society has trended in this way because humans are, and have always been on an individual level by and large fundamentally considerate, empathetic and compassionate with respect to the health and concerns of others. The biggest change in the 20-30 year period you talk of has been the ability of most people to observe how more of their fellow citizens are living and being treated and I for one am delighted to see this result in a rising voice advocating for care and fair treatment.

America is a long way from being fixed, we won't see a definitive socialist society there in our life times and I am not specifically saying that that is what is required, but, anyone who challenges arguments for family planning healthcare, inclusivity, fair treatment by police, a need for sustainability focus etc met with the accusation that they are 'lefty' ideals needs to get their head out of the 20th century and come join us in the 21st.

Outlaw Pete

astrofool wrote: »

Explain why Rudy didn't release the easily verifiable evidence from the laptop that he was given?

Rudy had a copy of the hard drive, not the laptop, and his client had informed him that the FBI already had a copy for 10 months.

Outlaw Pete

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Rudy had a copy of the hard drive, not the laptop, and his client had informed him that the FBI already had a copy for 10 months.

Emails have source so there's plenty of validation that can be done..

astrofool

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Rudy had a copy of the hard drive, not the laptop, and his client had informed him that the FBI already had a copy for 10 months.

Explain why Rudy didn't release the easily verifiable evidence from the hard drive that he was given?

gmisk

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Rudy had a copy of the hard drive, not the laptop, and his client had informed him that the FBI already had a copy for 10 months.

You don't need the laptop if you have the hard drive....it's where the data is stored...
Rudy has it and nothing verifiable has been released...I wonder why?....laughable stuff really

Outlaw Pete

Tell me how wrote: »

In America, highly dense urban regions are overwhelmingly Democratic.
Where do the entertainers who you are decrying live? Highly dense Urban regions.

You cannot imply that that up to 50% of them are expressing a view contrary to their beliefs without being willing to explore this fact and also other factors which exist such as the likelihood of someone within such an industry, when compared to another one (say acting when compared to mining) be to be openly gay. People in artistic industries are generally more inclusive of those who have been marginalised and as a consequence are of a more liberal mindset than a conservative one which would have suggested such feelings are against the wishes of God and can/should be changed.

One final point, you are correct in an evolving mindset over 20-30 years. Think what has happened in that time. The advance of the internet and the absolute explosion of social media means that people are more and more aware of circumstances outside their own small town and existence and are against the idea of societies views leading to the oppression of personal natural desires in terms of sexuality, a male driven government excessively regulating the health of females or the demand that big business is an all conquering behemoth which must not be constrained irrespective of the impact on the quality of life of those who it is supposedly there to serve.

Society has trended in this way because humans are, and have always been on an individual level by and large fundamentally considerate, empathetic and compassionate with respect to the health and concerns of others. The biggest change in the 20-30 year period you talk of has been the ability of most people to observe how more of their fellow citizens are living and being treated and I for one am delighted to see this result in a rising voice advocating for care and fair treatment.

America is a long way from being fixed, we won't see a definitive socialist society there in our life times and I am not specifically saying that that is what is required, but, anyone who challenges arguments for family planning healthcare, inclusivity, fair treatment by police, a need for sustainability focus etc met with the accusation that they are 'lefty' ideals needs to get their head out of the 20th century and come join us in the 21st.

Not suggesting that society hasn't progressed. I used to be a liberal myself, hated conservatives, and appreciated my heroes highlighting issues that needed addressing, but the paradigm has shifted and the left are no longer highlighting issues of inequality and injustice but instead use non-issues and sanctimony to achieve their objectives, which are to get into positions of power so they can continue to socially engineer society and push for as much radical leftist legislation to be implement as possible. A large chunk of western society has been brainwashed to see white people as oppressive and capitalism as evil. Truth matters not a jot to the insincere radical left and they have shown that time and again. In short, they are dangerous and one only has to look at how corrupted the liberal media has become for evidence of that.

Kermit.de.frog

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Not suggesting that society hasn't progressed. I used to be a liberal myself, hated conservatives, and appreciated my heroes highlighting issues that needed addressing, but the paradigm has shifted and the left are no longer highlighting issues of inequality and injustice but instead use non-issues and sanctimony to achieve their objectives, which are to get into positions of power so they can continue to socially engineer society and push for as much radical leftist legislation to be implement as possible. They have been brainwashed to see white people as oppressive and capitalism as evil. Truth matters not a jot to the insincere radical left and they have shown that time and again. In short, they are dangerous and one only has to look at how corrupted the liberal media has become for evidence of that.

You seem to think everyone who supports Biden is "radical left".

Most just believe in competence, dignity and basic decency.

In the same way not every Trump supporter is racist but every racist is a Trump supporter.

Overheal

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Not suggesting that society hasn't progressed. I used to be a liberal myself, hated conservatives, and appreciated my heroes highlighting issues that needed addressing, but the paradigm has shifted and the left are no longer highlighting issues of inequality and injustice but instead use non-issues and sanctimony to achieve their objectives, which are to get into positions of power so they can continue to socially engineer society and push for as much radical leftist legislation to be implement as possible. A large chunk of western society has been brainwashed to see white people as oppressive and capitalism as evil. Truth matters not a jot to the insincere radical left and they have shown that time and again. In short, they are dangerous and one only has to look at how corrupted the liberal media has become for evidence of that.

There IS something evil about charging a patient in hospital in their most vulnerable state $30 for one tablet of aspirin.

Tell me how

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Not suggesting that society hasn't progressed. I used to be a liberal myself, hated conservatives, and appreciated my heroes highlighting issues that needed addressing, but the paradigm has shifted and the left are no longer highlighting issues of inequality and injustice but instead use non-issues and sanctimony to achieve their objectives, which are to get into positions of power so they can continue to socially engineer society and push for as much radical leftist legislation to be implement as possible. They have been brainwashed to see white people as oppressive and capitalism as evil. Truth matters not a jot to the insincere radical left and they have shown that time and again. In short, they are dangerous and one only has to look at how corrupted the liberal media has become for evidence of that.

First point in Bold. How so?
Are you against people arguing for the fair treatment of all sectors in society at the hands of police?
Are you against open and safe access to family planning services?
Are you against not discriminating against people based on their sexuality?
Are you against trans people being identified with the pro-nouns they desire?
Are you against the concept of sustainability being a driving factor in industry today?
Are you against the idea that no one should be at risk of dying because they cannot afford healthcare in some of the richest countries on the planet?

Second point in bold.
I know exactly what you mean about the impact of people being brainwashed.
We saw it in the US with the election of someone unsuitable for the job based on false promises, we saw it in the UK with the decision to leave the EU based on false promises and we are seeing it attempted again where some argue that that same incompetent person should get a second term. All arguments supported by conservative outlets with many of the influential people having direct ties to the people trying to bring about such action.
But yeah, the liberal media is dangerous?

Do you want to tell us just what liberal ideas you personally think are dangerous?

RIGOLO

Tell me how wrote: »

First point in Bold. How so?
Are you against people arguing for the fair treatment of all sectors in society at the hands of police?
Are you against open and safe access to family planning services?
Are you against not discriminating against people based on their sexuality?
Are you against trans people being identified with the pro-nouns they desire?
Are you against the concept of sustainability being a driving factor in industry today?
Are you against the idea that no one should be at risk of dying because they cannot afford healthcare in some of the richest countries on the planet?

Second point in bold.
I know exactly what you mean about the impact of people being brainwashed.
We saw it in the US with the election of someone unsuitable for the job based on false promises, we saw it in the UK with the decision to leave the EU based on false promises and we are seeing it attempted again where some argue that that same incompetent person should get a second term. All arguments supported by conservative outlets with many of the influential people having direct ties to the people trying to bring about such action.
But yeah, the liberal media is dangerous?

Do you want to tell us just what liberal ideas you personally think are dangerous?

it doesnt really matter whether anyone is for or against any of those points ..

What matters is how the Supreme Court Of America and to a lesser degree Federal appeals courts rule in cases which come before it .

And barring the Dems pulling a rabbit out of the hat , Trump has just had his latest addition added to Scotus , thats 3 in 4 years.
On top of all those Federal judges he appointed to the empty seats Obama left behind.
thats what matters in the USA .

vojiwox

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Not suggesting that society hasn't progressed. I used to be a liberal myself, hated conservatives, and appreciated my heroes highlighting issues that needed addressing, but the paradigm has shifted and the left are no longer highlighting issues of inequality and injustice but instead use non-issues and sanctimony to achieve their objectives, which are to get into positions of power so they can continue to socially engineer society and push for as much radical leftist legislation to be implement as possible. A large chunk of western society has been brainwashed to see white people as oppressive and capitalism as evil. Truth matters not a jot to the insincere radical left and they have shown that time and again. In short, they are dangerous and one only has to look at how corrupted the liberal media has become for evidence of that.

Would you say you hate liberals now?

Outlaw Pete

gmisk wrote: »

You don't need the laptop if you have the hard drive....it's where the data is stored...

Get away.

Rudy has it and nothing verifiable has been released...I wonder why?....laughable stuff really

Deleted User wrote: »

Emails have source so there's plenty of validation that can be done..

astrofool wrote: »

Explain why Rudy didn't release the easily verifiable evidence from the hard drive that he was given?

They have been verified:


https://twitter.com/DGPurser/status/1320687551322202112

Outlaw Pete

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Get away.







They have been verified:


https://twitter.com/DGPurser/status/1320687551322202112

Eh, Jim Jordan is firstly biased. Secondly he lacks the technical expertise to do proper verification.

Tell me how

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Get away.







They have been verified:

Jim Jordan and Doug Collins?
Do you know what the word biased means?

Would you believe AOC if she said the Giuliani tape was legit and he was masturbating?*




* (she didn't by the way, she's way too professional for that)

Overheal

Well golly if Gym Jordan says it it must be true, he's a straight shooter.

'Yeah that's Jim!'

Him and Doug Collins are about the only 2 reps in the House that can give my Congressman, Jeff Duncan, a run for his money when it comes to the biggest Party Over Country sycophants.

Tony EH

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Not suggesting that society hasn't progressed. I used to be a liberal myself, hated conservatives, and appreciated my heroes highlighting issues that needed addressing, but the paradigm has shifted and the left are no longer highlighting issues of inequality and injustice but instead use non-issues and sanctimony to achieve their objectives, which are to get into positions of power so they can continue to socially engineer society and push for as much radical leftist legislation to be implement as possible. A large chunk of western society has been brainwashed to see white people as oppressive and capitalism as evil. Truth matters not a jot to the insincere radical left and they have shown that time and again. In short, they are dangerous and one only has to look at how corrupted the liberal media has become for evidence of that.

You're spending too much time on the internet.

gmisk

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Get away.







They have been verified:


https://twitter.com/DGPurser/status/1320687551322202112

...Jim jordan....no they haven't...but then again you know that.
Desperate really.

ohnonotgmail

gmisk wrote: »

...Jim jordan....no they haven't...but then again you know that.
Desperate really.

I'm sure Jims skills as a wrestling coach came in really useful when it came to verifying the emails.

Outlaw Pete

vojiwox wrote: »

Would you say you hate liberals now?

Depends how you define Liberal but if it's the type that look the other way when gross injustices are being carried out (Antifa violence, DOJ doctoring emails, lying to FISA courts, the weaponizing of allegations of racism, sexual assault etc) given it helps their cause - then yes, I absolutely hate those liberals and sadly we are seeing more and more of that kind of liberal in Western Society today.

One only has to look at the reaction of so those liberals when these instances come to attention to see they couldn't care less and that shows that they have very little integrity today and sense of what is right and wrong. Something which wasn't the case just a few decades ago. Liberals today will happily cry wolf if it means they get their way. Jussie Smollet a good example of that and the reaction of Hollywood a good example of that 'looking the other way when it suits' that I started out with:

https://deadline.com/2020/10/jussie-smollett-b-boy-blues-ledisi-brandee-evans-1234602342/

vojiwox

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

I used to be a liberal myself, hated conservatives.

This hatred is the problem in America for me. A blanket hatred of a massive group of society.

There is no discussion to have when people pick sides and hate the other side.

Timberrrrrrrr

Overheal wrote: »

There IS something evil about charging a patient in hospital in their most vulnerable state $30 for one tablet of aspirin.

After charging several hundred for an ambulance to get them to the hospital.

Tell me how

RIGOLO wrote: »

it doesnt really matter whether anyone is for or against any of those points ..

What matters is how the Supreme Court Of America and to a lesser degree Federal appeals courts rule in cases which come before it .

And barring the Dems pulling a rabbit out of the hat , Trump has just had his latest addition added to Scotus , thats 3 in 4 years.
On top of all those Federal judges he appointed to the empty seats Obama left behind.
thats what matters in the USA .

It does matter because a judge is appointed by a President with a view to what the electorate wants.
Trump, most definitely selected ACB to curry favour with conservatives so the opinions of conservatives is worth exploring. That aside, the poster I responded to went in to specific motivation as to his political ideologies so they are valid questions in that context.

P.S. for clarification, the reason there were so many vacancies open to Trump, was as a consequence of senate obstructionism while Obama was President.

vojiwox

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Depends how you define Liberal but if it's the type that look the other way when gross injustices are being carried out (Antifa violence, DOJ doctoring emails, lying to FISA courts, the weaponizing of allegations of racism, sexual assault etc) given it helps their cause - then yes, I absolutely hate those liberals and sadly we are seeing more and more of that kind of liberal in Western Society today.

One only has to look at the reaction of so those liberals when these instances come to attention to see they couldn't care less and that shows that they have very little integrity today and sense of what is right and wrong. Something which wasn't the case just a few decades ago. Liberals today will happily cry wolf if it means they get their way. Jussie Smollet a good example of that and the reaction of Hollywood a good example of that 'looking the other way when it suits' that I started out with:

https://deadline.com/2020/10/jussie-smollett-b-boy-blues-ledisi-brandee-evans-1234602342/

So are there any Conservatives you currently hate?

Tony EH

Overheal wrote: »

There IS something evil about charging a patient in hospital in their most vulnerable state $30 for one tablet of aspirin.

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

After charging several hundred for an ambulance to get them to the hospital.

There is a severe problem with people who wish to see that kind of thing "conserved".

Outlaw Pete

vojiwox wrote: »

This hatred is the problem in America for me. A blanket hatred of a massive group of society.

There is no discussion to have when people pick sides and hate the other side.

Wasn't talking only of America. Hated Mary Whitehouse too.

Outlaw Pete

vojiwox wrote: »

So are there any Conservatives you currently hate?

No, not that I can think of.

When I was growing up my first introduction to conservatives was the PMRC and seeing as I had a huge poster of Dee Snider on my ceiling, and they put him in their crosshairs, I put them in mine.