Who thinks Trump will win?

duploelabs

EasycomeEasygo wrote: »

Trump did not pull out of the second debate

Yes he did, nice gaslighting though

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-virus-outbreak-donald-trump-rush-limbaugh-campaigns-705e9f19162daa9c595b7a3c03f5a8d2

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

EasycomeEasygo wrote: »

Trump did not pull out of the second debate

He refused to take part because it was going to be held remotely and not in person.

Timberrrrrrrr

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

There is no comparison if you're comparing it to the "Dead Troops are losers" story. With specifics like that, I don't feel anonymous source stories should be reported on. Merely saying there is an investigation though, I don't see much of an issue with given that we already have many details to hand. On it's own though, I most likely would take issue with just that revelation and nothing more.



I have no issue with the media's initial reporting about the dossier as they (mostly) were not to know it was fabricated but as time went on the reporting was ridiculous, as was all the Russia Collusion madness that followed it. Bombshell after bombshell that was all clearly nothing. There was never a shred of evidence that would justify someone believing Trump was an agent of the Kremlin and that he (or his team) had been compromised and so conspired with Russia to fix the election. Same goes for the impeachment.

Pretty much like Rudi's laptop bombshell or Carlsons "damning documents"?

What has happened to these? I thought all of this explosive evidence was going to be released?

Timberrrrrrrr

Danzy wrote: »

Trump is in a much better position now than a month ago.
Interesting to see Biden going to Minnesota, if he is concerned about that State then he has problems.

Biden continues to campaign as if he is 20 points behind in every state, when you're in the lead you don't take your foot off the pedal you keep driving until you're home.

Timberrrrrrrr

EasycomeEasygo wrote: »

Trump did not pull out of the second debate

So why wasn't there a second debate?

EasycomeEasygo

duploelabs wrote: »

Yes he did, nice gaslighting though

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-virus-outbreak-donald-trump-rush-limbaugh-campaigns-705e9f19162daa9c595b7a3c03f5a8d2

You are incorrect I am afraid, the Commission on Presidential Debates cancelled the debate because Trump disagreed to a rule change, a change to the rules that were agreed before the first debate was held.

As per the article you linked

"The decision was made a day after the commission announced the debate would take place “virtually” because Trump had contracted the coronavirus."

The commission cancelled the debate, Trump never pulled out of it

There was no need for the debate to be held virtually as was proven by NBC's town hall held on the night the second debate was scheduled

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK4GxpJt2wo

Gaslighting by definition is manipulate by psychological means into doubting their own sanity. Making a statement of fact is not gaslighting.

EasycomeEasygo

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So why wasn't there a second debate?

See my reply to duploelabs

8-10

EasycomeEasygo wrote: »

"The decision was made a day after the commission announced the debate would take place “virtually” because Trump had contracted the coronavirus."

Nothing in this quote mentions why it would be cancelled. It's saying it's to go ahead virtually. The question was why it didn't.

irelandrover

8-10 wrote: »

Nothing in this quote mentions why it would be cancelled. It's saying it's to go ahead virtually. The question was why it didn't.

Its explained in the next line of the article

"Trump balked at holding the debate in that format, and Biden scheduled a town hall with ABC News for that night once Trump said he would not participate."

duploelabs

EasycomeEasygo wrote: »

You are incorrect I am afraid, the Commission on Presidential Debates cancelled the debate because Trump disagreed to a rule change, a change to the rules that were agreed before the first debate was held.

As per the article you linked

"The decision was made a day after the commission announced the debate would take place “virtually” because Trump had contracted the coronavirus."

The commission cancelled the debate, Trump never pulled out of it

There was no need for the debate to be held virtually as was proven by NBC's town hall held on the night the second debate was scheduled

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK4GxpJt2wo

Gaslighting by definition is manipulate by psychological means into doubting their own sanity. Making a statement of fact is not gaslighting.

Read the whole article

8-10

irelandrover wrote: »

Its explained in the next line of the article

"Trump balked at holding the debate in that format, and Biden scheduled a town hall with ABC News for that night once Trump said he would not participate."

Sounds like he pulled out to me then

EasycomeEasygo

8-10 wrote: »

Nothing in this quote mentions why it would be cancelled. It's saying it's to go ahead virtually. The question was why it didn't.

I thought is was fairly clear

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/second-presidential-debate-canceled-commission/

He refuse to take part in a virtual debate, he never refused to take part in an in person debate as was agreed before the first debate was held.

Commission on Presidential Debates deemed it a health risk because he had contracted covid and changed the rules. Doctors deemed him fit to make public appearances and the NBC town hall went ahead instead, it took place in person on the same night the second debate was due to take place. The Commission on Presidential Debates cancelled the debate. Trump never pulled out of the debate.

EasycomeEasygo

duploelabs wrote: »

Read the whole article

I have

EasycomeEasygo

8-10 wrote: »

Sounds like he pulled out to me then

No he didn't

The Phantom Jipper

EasycomeEasygo wrote: »

Some interesting early votes so far

Arizona, 99% mail in 1% in person
Dem 39% Gop 36% Other 25%

Florida, 59% mail in, 41% in person
Dem 41%, Gop 38%, Other 21%

Georgia, 33% mail in, 67% in person
43% Dem, Gop 50%, Other 7%

Iowa, 75% mail in, 25% in person
Dem 49%, Gop 32%, Other 19%

Michigan, 100% mail in voting
Dem 39%, Gop 41%, Other 20%

Minnesota, 100% mail in
Dem 46%, Gop 31%, Other 23%

Nevada, 56% mail in, 44% in person
Dem 46%, Gop 36%, Other 24%

North Carolina, 22% mail in, 78% in person
Dem 39%, Gop 31%, Other 30%

Ohio, 100% mail in
Dem 39%, Gop 48%, Other 13%

Pennsylvania, 100% mail in
Dem 68%, Gop 22%, Other 10%

Texas, 15% mail in, 85% in person
Dem 36%, Gop 54%, Other 10%

Wisconsin, 74% mail in, 26% in person
Dem 36% Gop 43%, Other 21%

Interesting reading, have you got a link for this?

EasycomeEasygo

The Phantom Jipper wrote: »

Interesting reading, have you got a link for this?

Yes it's done by NBC

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-elections/arizona-results

Tell me how

EasycomeEasygo wrote: »

I thought is was fairly clear

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/second-presidential-debate-canceled-commission/

He refuse to take part in a virtual debate, he never refused to take part in an in person debate as was agreed before the first debate was held.

Commission on Presidential Debates deemed it a health risk because he had contracted covid and changed the rules. Doctors deemed him fit to make public appearances and the NBC town hall went ahead instead, it took place in person on the same night the second debate was due to take place. The Commission on Presidential Debates cancelled the debate. Trump never pulled out of the debate.

'He refused to take part in a virtual debate' is pulling out of the debate sunshine.

EasycomeEasygo

Tell me how wrote: »

'He refused to take part in a virtual debate' is pulling out of the debate sunshine.

I'm afraid it's not, he refused a rule change
He had no problem with doing an in person debate sunshine

sydthebeat

EasycomeEasygo wrote: »

Yes it's done by NBC

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-elections/arizona-results

Can you link to where exactly you are seeing those results as "early votes" as you are calling them.

All I can see that in anyway matches your posted figures is the numbers that requested mail in votes by party??

It is non sensical that "other" would be getting 30% of mail in votes

8-10

EasycomeEasygo wrote: »

I'm afraid it's not, he refused a rule change
He had no problem with doing an in person debate sunshine

But there was no longer an in person debate to make that decision on.

The commission sets the format. They announced the format change. He refused to participate. It was planned to go ahead but for him.

He pulled out of the debate because the format changed and instead set up a rival town hall that got less viewers than Biden.

It didn't look good for him

EasycomeEasygo

8-10 wrote: »

But there was no longer an in person debate to make that decision on.

The commission sets the format. They announced the format change. He refused to participate. It was planned to go ahead but for him.

He pulled out of the debate because the format changed and instead set up a rival town hall that got less viewers than Biden.

It didn't look good for him

The rules were agreed before the first debate took place, this happens every presidential election

8-10

EasycomeEasygo wrote: »

The rules were agreed before the first debate took place, this happens every presidential election

I'm not disputing that.

But the rule change to the debate doesn't mean it's no longer:

1. A debate
2. The second debate
3. Scheduled on the same date

So it's completely accurate, unless you want to go through mental gymnastics to defend Trump, to say he pulled out of the second debate. Because a debate, in between the 1st and 3rd, was scheduled to go ahead with him in it.

MadYaker

EasycomeEasygo wrote: »

I thought is was fairly clear

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/second-presidential-debate-canceled-commission/

He refuse to take part in a virtual debate, he never refused to take part in an in person debate as was agreed before the first debate was held.

Commission on Presidential Debates deemed it a health risk because he had contracted covid and changed the rules. Doctors deemed him fit to make public appearances and the NBC town hall went ahead instead, it took place in person on the same night the second debate was due to take place. The Commission on Presidential Debates cancelled the debate. Trump never pulled out of the debate.

Wrong. The bolded part was never agreed. They said there would be 3 debates and the 2 candidates agreed. Which format the debates would take wasn't specified at that time so no, Trump didn't specifically agree to an in person debate, he simply agreed to a debate and when it was moved online due to his coronavirus diagnosis he pulled out because that didn't suit him. The commission never cancelled anything or changed the rules, they changed the format.

Tell me how

EasycomeEasygo wrote: »

I'm afraid it's not, he refused a rule change
He had no problem with doing an in person debate sunshine

Ran from Joe Biden.
Ran from Leslie Stahl.

Boys got form.

EasycomeEasygo

sydthebeat wrote: »

Can you link to where exactly you are seeing those results as "early votes" as you are calling them.

All I can see that in anyway matches your posted figures is the numbers that requested mail in votes by party??

It is non sensical that "other" would be getting 30% of mail in votes

Sure

Go to the page, scroll down past mail in ballots request and you will see Mail-in and early in-person ballots returned. These are the early votes that have been returned either by mail or in person. Click on party registration and you will see the figures I posted

You can change the state by going to the top and clicking the by state drop down box

Information is provided each day by the relevant states election division and the NBC website is handy because it's all there together and they calculate the percentages for you rather than having to go search each individual states early voting reports like say this one for Florida

https://countyballotfiles.floridados.gov/VoteByMailEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats?fbclid=IwAR1XKy-XVViJ3aRYIOefQOL7OW-nGYRag7LmdNTGz_lIQCAoS9Gamg-og9o

Going to each states report can be good too so you can see the returns for each county but it is time consuming

gmisk

Tell me how wrote: »

Ran from Joe Biden.
Ran from Leslie Stahl.

Boys got form.

Ran from joining the army....bone spurs...

EasycomeEasygo

MadYaker wrote: »

Wrong. The bolded part was never agreed. They said there would be 3 debates and the 2 candidates agreed. Which format the debates would take wasn't specified at that time so no, Trump didn't specifically agree to an in person debate, he simply agreed to a debate and when it was moved online due to his coronavirus diagnosis he pulled out because that didn't suit him. The commission never cancelled anything or changed the rules, they changed the format.

Have you anything to support that claim?

Bobeagleburger

Trump chickened out of the 2nd debate. Definitely hurt him. Made him look weak.

8-10

EasycomeEasygo wrote: »

Sure

Go to the page, scroll down past mail in ballots request and you will see Mail-in and early in-person ballots returned. These are the early votes that have been returned either by mail or in person. Click on party registration and you will see the figures I posted

Doesn't tell you who they voted for though!

ohnonotgmail

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Pretty much like Rudi's laptop bombshell or Carlsons "damning documents"?

What has happened to these? I thought all of this explosive evidence was going to be released?

they are saving it all for a big exposé on the 4th.