Who thinks Trump will win?

MadYaker

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Theres definitely a lot more personal cultural issues that perpetuate the issues though.

One of the largest ones is the culture of fathering multiple children by multiple women and not taking care of any of them, leading those children to grow up with no positive male role models.

The aids crisis hit the black communities in america much harder than white communities because of a cultural propensity for promiscuity, turns out the problems that causes are much greater and long lasting.

"Cultural propensity for promiscuity" Wow. That's a frightening insight into your views on black people. Do you view them as more basic life forms than yourself? Can't stop having kids because they're ruled by their instincts? Scary.

Timberrrrrrrr

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

"Poor kids are just as bright as white kids"

"We choose truth over facts"

"Covid has taken this year,just since the outbreak, has taken more than a hundred years... Look. Here's.. The lives.. Its just... I mean, think about it"

Almost 79 years of age. Trump will eat him for breakfast come the debates. ( If he shows up)

“Our army manned the air, it rammed the ramparts, it took over the airports, it did everything it had to do, and at Fort McHenry, under the rockets’ red glare, it had nothing but victory.”

“I was down there and I watched our police and our firemen down there on 7/11,”

“And I met with the president of the Virgin Islands,” 

ExMachina1000

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

“Our army manned the air, it rammed the ramparts, it took over the airports, it did everything it had to do, and at Fort McHenry, under the rockets’ red glare, it had nothing but victory.”

“I was down there and I watched our police and our firemen down there on 7/11,”

“And I met with the president of the Virgin Islands,” 

Touche.

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Theres definitely a lot more personal cultural issues that perpetuate the issues though.

One of the largest ones is the culture of fathering multiple children by multiple women and not taking care of any of them, leading those children to grow up with no positive male role models.

The aids crisis hit the black communities in america much harder than white communities because of a cultural propensity for promiscuity, turns out the problems that causes are much greater and long lasting.

Care to provide a source on that "cultural propensity for promiscuity". Also the "absent" father is accepted as a myth at this stage. So basically you sound like a breitbart rant.

https://www.vox.com/2015/6/21/8820537/black-fathers-day

Eric Cartman

MadYaker wrote: »

"Cultural propensity for promiscuity" Wow. That's a frightening insight into your views on black people. Do you view them as more basic life forms than yourself? Can't stop having kids because they're ruled by their instincts? Scary.

I don't , different cultures have different values and in american black culture it is a lot more acceptable for men to sleep around and for women to have children by multiple fathers. It in itself doesn't seem like an issue but the lack of male role models for children growing up has been shown to be a massive issue.

Eric Cartman

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Care to provide a source on that "cultural propensity for promiscuity". Also the "absent" father is accepted as a myth at this stage. So basically you sound like a breitbart rant.

https://www.vox.com/2015/6/21/8820537/black-fathers-day

Even from your twisty article that abuses stats :

“ Still, the same CDC data shows black men are nearly three times as likely as white men to have at least one child they don't live with”

ExMachina1000

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Care to provide a source on that "cultural propensity for promiscuity". Also the "absent" father is accepted as a myth at this stage. So basically you sound like a breitbart rant.

https://www.vox.com/2015/6/21/8820537/black-fathers-day

From that study

Still, the same CDC data shows black men are nearly three times as likely as white men to have at least one child they don't live with — but Blow pointed to policy-driven issues that may be driving the disparity. For example, a previous report by Justin Wolfers, David Leonhardt, and Kevin Quealy for the New York Times found there are 100 black women not in jail or prison for every 83 non-incarcerated black men. So mass incarceration has actually drained 1.5 million black men — many of whom are young and of marrying age — from their communities, making it more difficult for black women to find committed partners of the same race.

Policy puts people in jail not people committing crimes. Yeah you read that correctly. Who writes this rubbish

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I don't , different cultures have different values and in american black culture it is a lot more acceptable for men to sleep around and for women to have children by multiple fathers. It in itself doesn't seem like an issue but the lack of male role models for children growing up has been shown to be a massive issue.

You've claimed a culture of "promiscuity", care to back it up? You should be able to point to a study. The cdc view it largely to be related to poverty, healthcare and education.

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/racialethnic/africanamericans/index.html

golfball37

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I don't , different cultures have different values and in american black culture it is a lot more acceptable for men to sleep around and for women to have children by multiple fathers. It in itself doesn't seem like an issue but the lack of male role models for children growing up has been shown to be a massive issue.

Correct and many local leaders within the black community say this is the major issue facing their community, not white supremacy or police brutality but those voices don’t suit the narrative so are drowned out

Eric Cartman

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You've claimed a culture of "promiscuity", care to back it up? You should be able to point to a study. The cdc view it largely to be related to poverty, healthcare and education.

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/racialethnic/africanamericans/index.html

https://ifstudies.org/blog/number-1-in-2018-who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-infidelity-in-america

In addition to gender and age, the infidelity rate also differs by a number of other demographic and social factors. For example, cheating is somewhat more common among black adults. Some 22% of ever-married blacks said that they cheated on their spouse, compared with 16% of whites and 13% of Hispanics. And among black men, the rate is highest: 28% reported that they had sex with someone other than their spouse, compared with 20% of white men and 16% of Hispanic men.

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=135541549

Twenty percent of American women had children with multiple partners by midlife. Of African-American women with two or more children, 59 percent of those women have had children by more than one partner. That compares to 35 percent of Hispanic mothers and 22 percent of non-Hispanic white mothers

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

https://ifstudies.org/blog/number-1-in-2018-who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-infidelity-in-america



https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=135541549

One relates to infidelity and the other relates to multi parent families. Neither indicates "cultural promiscuity", one indicates a lower uptake of contraceptives which is incredibly common for a grouping with high levels of poverty. Which also goes back to the exact same reasons the cdc give for hiv rates.

Man with broke phone

Again the debate has turned into a black v white one.

Its like the dems want to lose.

Vote for us if you believe there is no source to back up the claim black people are more promiscuous than white people.

Pa ElGrande

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1302455025650806784


The more likely outcome is both black and white are going to turn to Trump and abandon the progressives due to who is committing the crime mentioned above and if it is true that the left always eats itself then I can see BLM turn against ANTIFA after the election.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3PaqxblOx0

Malcolm X on white Liberals and Conservatives. He regarded the white liberal as more hypocritical that conservatives and the Negro as a football in their power games.

ExMachina1000

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1302455025650806784


The more likely outcome is both black and white are going to turn to Trump and abandon the progressives due to who is committing the crime mentioned above and if it is true that the left always eats itself then I can see BLM turn against ANTIFA after the election.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3PaqxblOx0

Malcolm X on white Liberals and Conservatives. He regarded the white liberal as more hypocritical that conservatives and the Negro as a football in their power games.

From the first picture/story :

“Every city, every town, burn the precinct to the ground!” the group chanted as it moved up Lafayette Street while busting the plate glass facades of banks, Starbucks and Duane-Reades.

The protest was organized by groups calling themselves the “New Afrikan Black Panther Party” and the “Revolutionary Abolitionist Movement.”

Danzy

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1302455025650806784


The more likely outcome is both black and white are going to turn to Trump and abandon the progressives due to who is committing the crime mentioned above and if it is true that the left always eats itself then I can see BLM turn against ANTIFA after the election.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3PaqxblOx0

Malcolm X on white Liberals and Conservatives. He regarded the white liberal as more hypocritical that conservatives and the Negro as a football in their power games.

Being progressive or a Socialist is a class signifier now and it certainly isn't working class and less and less lower middle class.

Carfacemandog

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1302455025650806784


The more likely outcome is both black and white are going to turn to Trump and abandon the progressives due to who is committing the crime mentioned above and if it is true that the left always eats itself then I can see BLM turn against ANTIFA after the election.

There's been a lot OCC wishful thinking from the pro Trump crowd here as his numbers have tanked over covid and the protests and riots, but this might just take the cake.

Timberrrrrrrr

A.G Barr looks very uncomfortable here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFwJ2-JtQ3Q

Cirrus Incus

How many American sock puppet accounts are on here?

Pa ElGrande

Cirrus Incus wrote: »

How many American sock puppet accounts are on here?

Do you mean Biden supporters? Trump voters have other things on their mind besides an obscure forum in another country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMm5HfxNXY4

Michael Moore inadvertently made the greatest political advertisement for the election of president Trump. The points Moore made remain valid, it is useful to revisit it.

How have things changed for Trump voters in those years, prior to the state enforced Covid lockdowns, things were doing ok for most and the US President has been that Molotov cocktail they voted for. I sense the surprise is going to be at state and local level elections due to the impact on the working class , lower middle class and small business owners. In the US they use household income quintiles rather than the above terms.

The house of congress speaker Democrat Nancy Pelosi (80 years old) has become the focus of two notable attack ads by Republicans one in April and another this month following the hair salon incident.

The BLM/ANTIFA crowd are all about identity politics, this might play well with wealthy progressives asnd keyboard warriors, it is completely irrelevant to people who have seen their cashflow evaporate. Are they angry? Are they frustrated? What effect do you think burning and looting businesses has on unskilled labours employment opportunities? What do you think is going through their minds when then see well off white kids act the maggot and destroy their businesses?

AllForIt

^^ Michael Moore looks like a typical Trump supporter not least because of that red baseball cap.


edit: he's talking sense for once in that clip.
edit2: Oh that's from 2016 but I think what he said applies today as much as it did 4 years.

bobbyy gee

Trump calls american war dead losers
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/06/media/jeffrey-goldberg-atlantic-trump-reliable-sources/index.html

bobbyy gee

bobbyy gee wrote: »

Trump calls american war dead losers
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/06/media/jeffrey-goldberg-atlantic-trump-reliable-sources/index.html

Dude, in fairness, we are long past the days when CNN can be considered credible here..

Justin Credible Darts

bobbyy gee wrote: »

Trump calls american war dead losers
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/06/media/jeffrey-goldberg-atlantic-trump-reliable-sources/index.html

so they are not losers then ?


The got killed, they are hardly winners

Hand in Your Pants

You go off and get killed so rich tycoons can swim in oil money, yah it's sad, but you are a sucker for sure.

Cody montana

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

so they are not losers then ?


The got killed, they are hardly winners

Christ!

Eric Cartman

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

so they are not losers then ?


The got killed, they are hardly winners

Hand in Your Pants wrote: »

You go off and get killed so rich tycoons can swim in oil money, yah it's sad, but you are a sucker for sure.

jesus christ.

boardise

Cody montana wrote: »

Christ!

Funnily enough he got killed too.

Pa ElGrande

bobbyy gee wrote: »

Trump calls american war dead losers
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/06/media/jeffrey-goldberg-atlantic-trump-reliable-sources/index.html

This has been covered already, for more background meet Laurene Powell Jobs, billionaire widow of Steve Jobs, majority owner of The Atlantic and large donor to the Joe Biden campaign. Meet the neocon author Jeffrey Goldberg of the piece who pushed for the Iraq war in 2002.

The administration is planning today to launch what many people would undoubtedly call a short-sighted and inexcusable act of aggression. In five years, however, I believe that the coming invasion of Iraq will be remembered as an act of profound morality.

source

The article was coordinated with the DNC lobbying group Vote Vets and even Joe Biden put out a press release to amplify it and his anonymous sources which have already been debunked even by Neocon John Bolton.


Perhaps those with TDS may want to read Matt Taibbi for some important lessons.


The Trump Era Sucks and Needs to Be Over

The elite misread of Trump is egregious because he’s an easily familiar type to the rest of America. We’re a sales culture and Trump is a salesman. Moreover he’s not just any salesman; he might be the greatest salesman ever, considering the quality of the product, i.e. himself.

<snip>

Ever since Trump jumped into politics, the pattern has been the same. He enters the arena hauling nothing but negatives and character liabilities, but leaves every time armed with winnable issues handed to him by overreacting opponents.

His schtick is to provoke rivals to the point where they drop what they’re doing and spend their time screaming at him, which from the jump validates the primary tenet of his worldview, i.e. that everything is about him. Political opponents seem incapable of not handing him free advertising.

<snip>

It feels like a co-dependent relationship, and the tightening poll numbers in battleground states make me wonder about self-sabotage. He’ll likely still lose, but this is all beginning to feel like a slow-motion rerun of the same car crash from four years ago, when resentment, rubbernecking, and lurid fascination pulled him just across the finish line. People claim to hate him, but they never turn off the show in time, not grasping that Trump always knows how to turn their negative attention into someone else’s vote.

source

They should know after 4 years that the current attack on Trump, especially as it is based on weak anonymous sourcing, is exactly what Trump needs to gain more voters and a higher turn out.

The Democrats have no message and have fallen back on attacking Trump's personality. This did not work for Russiagate why will doing the same thing yield a different result?

Pa ElGrande

Hand in Your Pants wrote: »

You go off and get killed so rich tycoons can swim in oil money, yah it's sad, but you are a sucker for sure.

+1. Always has been.

War Is A Racket
Major General Smedley Butler

War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

source

Interestingly, it has never been satisfactory explained why American soldiers participated in the first world war, this action essentially prolonged the great war. One of the anti-war writers at the time was a man called Randolph Bourne who was dropped from "The Atlantic" and many publications for his anti-war views. He died in the flu pandemic in the aftermath of the war.

Justin Credible Darts

Cody montana wrote: »

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

so they are not losers then ?


The got killed, they are hardly winners

Christ!

yes, he died in vain also.