Who thinks Trump will win?

Cody montana

Man with broke phone wrote: »

If Corona was a good thing anti Trup people would say he inherited it from Obama.

After Ebola what measures did Obama put in place to ensure america was safe from a global pandemic? Did he buy in any facemasks to have ready for such instance?

Nope.

The Global Health Security and Biodefense unit — responsible for pandemic preparedness — was established in 2015 by Barack Obama’s National Security Advisor, Susan Rice ( here ). The unit resided under the National Security Council (NSC) — a forum of White House personnel that advises the president on national security and foreign policy matters.

Macdarack

I put a 100 quid on with someone that Trump would win the election!that was last February, during The covid 19 outbreak I thought to myself. Trump has f€€ked me with his handling of the whole saga, but since reading this thread I've been given hope and maybe winning this bet,unless this thread has been overran with a load of right wing ass holes.bit I doubt it. Ye all sound like decent neutrals.

ChikiChiki

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

the corona would have infected america regardless of who was in charge.

Next we will be told all the obese and sick people who died were obese and sick because of trump

whoever was in power was going to be blasted, if hilary was in,. she would be blasted by the rublicans and the democrats instead of blaming trump now, would be defending hilary.

Maybe the case but there wouldn't be as many dead as people would have taken precautions and taken it more seriously. Calling it the China virus and saying it would be gone quickly when he knew different has cost lives.

Its as simple as that.

Man with broke phone

Cody montana wrote: »

The Global Health Security and Biodefense unit — responsible for pandemic preparedness — was established in 2015 by Barack Obama’s National Security Advisor, Susan Rice ( here ). The unit resided under the National Security Council (NSC) — a forum of White House personnel that advises the president on national security and foreign policy matters.

What an epic failure, thats his legacy a total waste of time.

Wanderer78

Justin Credible Darts wrote:

Next we will be told all the obese and sick people who died were obese and sick because of trump

This administration has played it's part in exasperating these issues, as all previous administrations have done

Cody montana

Man with broke phone wrote: »

What an epic failure, thats his legacy a total waste of time.

You asked the question and I answered.
Not my fault you were shown up.

whomitconcerns

Man with broke phone wrote: »

If Corona was a good thing anti Trup people would say he inherited it from Obama.

After Ebola what measures did Obama put in place to ensure america was safe from a global pandemic? Did he buy in any facemasks to have ready for such instance?

Nope.

Yes he did. And he established a full plan and policy for panademic management. Which trump and his team shut down when they came into power.

Man with broke phone

Cody montana wrote: »

You asked the question and I answered.
Not my fault you were shown up.

He set up a department to deal with a global pandemic that wasnt ready for a global pandemic. You said it yourself.

Trump needs two terms to fix all these time wasting pr stunts Obama did. Lip service vanity efforts not fit for purpose time wasting pr stunts.

Wanderer78

Man with broke phone wrote:

Trump needs two terms to fix all these time wasting pr stunts Obama did. Lip service vanity efforts not fit for purpose time wasting pr stunts.

To fix! You do realise he's dismantling as much as he can, purely for self gain!

whomitconcerns

Man with broke phone wrote: »

He set up a department to deal with a global pandemic that wasnt ready for a global pandemic. You said it yourself.

Trump needs two terms to fix all these time wasting pr stunts Obama did. Lip service vanity efforts not fit for purpose time wasting pr stunts.

So what your saying is Obama should have had a third term? As to him not having it ready, US law on term restrictions prevented him in having it 1000% "save the world" ready in time as he didn't get a third term?

Biker79

kenmm wrote: »

Ok, very clear question(s) for you - do you think that Trump and his administration could have done anything drastically different during COVID pandemic?
Do you think its possible that more could have been done to dramatically reduce the loss of life?
Do you think he done his absolute best in the face of a terrible situation?

No. He faced multiple issues, such as PPE supply chain, the politics of federal involvement in state affairs, incomplete information and the risk of taking a bad decision without access to complete information.

The elephant in the room with the US and COVID is an unhealthy urban population- too many people with compromised health. More granular stats on how people died would be interesting. For example, did someone die of COVID or did they die because they were obese, a smoker with TYPE 2 diabates who happened to catch COVID and then died. How should that death be recorded? If those who died had comorbidities should they be excluded from the stats? Then you would have a very different figure.

Doesnt matter who is is Office - they would have had the same circumstances and made the same more or less the same decisions.

kenmm

kenmm wrote: »

Ok, very clear question(s) for you - do you think that Trump and his administration could have done anything drastically different during COVID pandemic?
Do you think its possible that more could have been done to dramatically reduce the loss of life?
Do you think he done his absolute best in the face of a terrible situation?

Biker79 wrote: »

No. He faced multiple issues, such as PPE supply chain, the politics of federal involvement in state affairs, incomplete information and the risk of taking a bad decision without access to complete information.

Th elephant in the room with the US and COVID is an unhealthy urban population, too many people with compromised health. More granular stats on how people died would be interesting. For example, did someone die of COVID or did they die because they were obese, a smoker with TYPE 2 diabates who happened to catch COVID and then died. How should that death be recorded? If those who died had comodbiditites should they be excluded from the stats? Then you would have a very different figure.

Doesnt matter who is is Office - they would have had the same circumstances and made the same more or less the same decisions.

Is he your da or something?



He could stab your whole family and you would blame the knife for being in the wrong place.

whomitconcerns

Biker79 wrote: »

No. He faced multiple issues, such as PPE supply chain, the politics of federal involvement in state affairs, incomplete information and the risk of taking a bad decision without access to complete information.

Th elephant in the room with the US and COVID is an unhealthy urban population, too many people with compromised health. More granular stats on how people died would be interesting. For example, did someone die of COVID or did they die because they were obese, a smoker with TYPE 2 diabates who happened to catch COVID and then died. How should that death be recorded? If those who died had comodbiditites should they be excluded from the stats? Then you would have a very different figure.

Doesnt matter who is is Office - they would have had the same circumstances and made the same more or less the same decisions.

Nope, they wouldn't. Show me another world leader that said it was not serious and would fizzle out, or who consistently broke his own health departments recommendations on precautions or suggested his own cures against his own health departments advice?? Injecting bleach, hydrocychloroquine?

By the way I think he will probably win, to go back to the original question. Too many people for whom fear is their number one driver of behaviour, and who is the number one specialist at inspiring fear! Number one number one...

kenmm

I will say that there probably is a bit of an angle in terms of Americas situation in terms of being more susceptible to the virus. ie too many obese, third rate access to healthcare etc but it doesn't give Trump a pass for some of the things he said and done to make the situation worse. To not be able to see that, regardless of how much you support him is a bit strange.

Triangle

Biker79 wrote: »

Doesnt matter who is is Office - they would have had the same circumstances and made the same more or less the same decisions.

Thats absolute rubbish, trump rallied against all calls for help.
He said the virus would dissappear all by itself instead of telling people to be careful.
It was absolutely reckless how he managed this pandemic. Stoking hatred and racism (I. E. China virus)
A person that didn't have some sort of ego personality disorder would never have handled it the way he did.

kenmm

It's obviously a wind up from biker there don't worry about it

Also former health officials explicitly said previous plans laid out for this scenario were not followed.

Biker79

kenmm wrote: »

I will say that there probably is a bit of an angle in terms of Americas situation in terms of being more susceptible to the virus. ie too many obese, third rate access to healthcare etc but it doesn't give Trump a pass for some of the things he said and done to make the situation worse. To not be able to see that, regardless of how much you support him is a bit strange.

The only thing that is strange is Trump Derangement Syndrome. However, its not the first time a population suffered mass psychosis induced by the media.

There is a very interesting theory on this called ' Rise of the Midwit ' ...

kenmm

Biker79 wrote: »

The only thing that is strange is Trump Deramngement Syndrome. However, its not the first time a population suffered mass psychosis induced by the media.

There is a very interesting theory on this called ' Rise of the Midwit ' ...

Sorry - tell me again - there is nothing he could have done better. Nothing at all? And you want to talk about deranged thinking :pac:

I don't think there is a single person on this planet I have given such high hero status to. The only conclusion is that you are absolutely on the wind up. You've done well, but it's getting boring now.

Danzy

kenmm wrote: »

I will say that there probably is a bit of an angle in terms of Americas situation in terms of being more susceptible to the virus. ie too many obese, third rate access to healthcare etc but it doesn't give Trump a pass for some of the things he said and done to make the situation worse. To not be able to see that, regardless of how much you support him is a bit strange.

Americans don't seem more susceptible, given their often general poor health.

200k out of 350 million is not big. We were told that it could be up to 80k dead in this State.

The Dutch have an extremely relaxed approach to it, near complete disinterest in the general public and in Gov't to any mitigation yet they have significantly lower death rate per million, that said they didn't test the dead as standard.

The reality is that Covid19 is serious but not as serious as first feared, it hits some places much harder than others, it is right to have controlled it as it could change or could have been as bad.

mcmoustache

kenmm wrote: »

Tell me, out of all that has happened, why did this one specific incident make you sad?

After weeks of seeing violence from people with Trump paraphernalia he's been dying to find an example of similar behaviour by Dems. You know, Biden superfans shooting people, people in Trucks with Biden flags and bumper stickers running people over. That sort of thing.


His prayers were answered today though and you're not going to take this away from him. Today, finally, well known prominent Democrat, Tina Koteks was found causing trouble. Well, maybe not the famous Tina Koteks herself but her assistant. OK, maybe not her assistant but a staffer. This is HUGE and you're not going to take this away from him.

kenmm

Danzy wrote: »

Americans don't seem more susceptible, given their often general poor health.

200k out of 350 million is not big. We were told that it could be up to 80k dead in this State.

The Dutch have an extremely relaxed approach to it, near complete disinterest in the general public and in Gov't to any mitigation yet they have significantly lower death rate per million, that said they didn't test the dead as standard.

The reality is that Covid19 is serious but not as serious as first feared, it hits some places much harder than others, it is right to have controlled it as it could change or could have been as bad.

Sure - maybe so - but don't quote my post - it was biker who touted this theory. I said there maybe/probably be some truth in it - but it was unqualified and without any research into it (I was also including their piss poor access to health care for a lot of people).

kenmm

mcmoustache wrote: »

After weeks of seeing violence from people with Trump paraphernalia he's been dying to find an example of similar behaviour by Dems. You know, Biden superfans shooting people, people in Trucks with Biden flags and bumper stickers running people over. That sort of thing.


His prayers were answered today though and you're not going to take this away from him. Today, finally, well known prominent Democrat, Tina Koteks was found causing trouble. Well, maybe not the famous Tina Koteks herself but her assistant. OK, maybe not her assistant but a staffer. This is HUGE and you're not going to take this away from him.

ye sorry - @man with broke phone sorry you feel sad :-( sending some hugs. Hopefully you have someone close by, make you a nice cup of tea.

mcmoustache

Biker79 wrote: »

The only thing that is strange is Trump Deramngement Syndrome. However, its not the first time a population suffered mass psychosis induced by the media.

There is a very interesting theory on this called ' Rise of the Midwit ' ...

You throw this around as if it were clever but believe it or not, it is possible to scientifically test if there is more "derangement" among people with one political outlook than there is in people with another political outlook.


For example, a recent survey found that over half of Republican voters believe that the QAnon conspiracy theory was mostly or partly true. This same derangement was found with a much smaller incidence among Democratic voters. For now, QAnon can be described as crazy shít and believing this kind of crazy shít is a bit crazy. Things could change of course. You might wind up defending it soon.

Tony EH

Biker79 wrote: »

The only thing that is strange is Trump Deramngement Syndrome. However, its not the first time a population suffered mass psychosis induced by the media.

No.

There was also an "Obama Derangement Syndrome" and a "Clinton Derangement Syndrome" too.

I wonder which one you suffer from. :pac:

Penn

Biker79 wrote: »

The only thing that is strange is Trump Deramngement Syndrome. However, its not the first time a population suffered mass psychosis induced by the media.

How many people here do you think actually watch CNN? Or MSNBC? Or Washington Post etc etc? You talk about "psychosis induced by the media" as if people can't actually simply see and read Trump's words from his own mouth.

People don't need Anderson Cooper or whoever to say "What Trump just said is ridiculous", because we can actually see what Trump says ourselves, and think "What Anderson Cooper just said is ridiculous because what Trump actually said is f*cking idiotic, rambling, barely coherent, fearmongering lies"

Timberrrrrrrr

Biker79 wrote: »

The only thing that is strange is Trump Deramngement Syndrome. However, its not the first time a population suffered mass psychosis induced by a tyrant (Trump)

There is a very interesting theory on this called ' Rise of the Dimwit ' ...

My version sounds much better

mcmoustache

Penn wrote: »

How many people here do you think actually watch CNN? Or MSNBC? Or Washington Post etc etc? You talk about "psychosis induced by the media" as if people can't actually simply see and read Trump's words from his own mouth.

People don't need Anderson Cooper or whoever to say "What Trump just said is ridiculous", because we can actually see what Trump says ourselves, and think "What Anderson Cooper just said is ridiculous because what Trump actually said is f*cking idiotic, rambling, barely coherent, fearmongering lies"

I actually think that this is just another example of projection.


There was a poster here last week who, fair play to him, told us which media he consumes for news. It turned out to be just videos of talking heads who's factual output would be on a par with Diamond and Silk. This was a guy who "informed" himself by watching videos of highly opinionated and misleading right-wing personalities.


The thing is, I would think that this sort of thing is typical among Trump fans. If you ever looks at the top-10 videos on facebook news in the US on any given day, it's those same personalities, meaning that a large number of people on the right are "informing" themselves in this way.


Where the projection comes in is the belief that the "other side" must be doing the same, except that they must be watching MSNBC all the time instead. That's why we keep hearing about them in these Trump threads from Trump fans despite there being little evidence that anti-Trump posters actually inform themselves in this way.

rossie1977

Biker79 wrote: »

No. He faced multiple issues, such as PPE supply chain, the politics of federal involvement in state affairs, incomplete information and the risk of taking a bad decision without access to complete information.

Completely on Trump, he dismantled Obamas pandemic preparedness systems.

Instead of using WHO approved ppe Trump got us companies to supply it and most was found to be un-usable which set them back months.

The elephant in the room with the US and COVID is an unhealthy urban population- too many people with compromised health. More granular stats on how people died would be interesting. For example, did someone die of COVID or did they die because they were obese, a smoker with TYPE 2 diabates who happened to catch COVID and then died. How should that death be recorded? If those who died had comorbidities should they be excluded from the stats? Then you would have a very different figure.

Excuses. Do you not think most of western society deals with this kind of stuff.

We have lots of obese people, smokers, alcoholics in this country.

Doesnt matter who is is Office - they would have had the same circumstances and made the same more or less the same decisions.

Lol no.

Look at the difference in response of Varadkar and his team and how they informed the public and how Trump went about it.. night and day and Ireland was in the firing line much quicker than the US so Trump had longer to prepare.

It is no coincidence the countries that will eventually have the highest mortality figures will be those with leaders that initially tried to downplay the virus.

The Raging Bile Duct

Is Mid-Wit the new libtard?