Who thinks Trump will win?

westdublin

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Don't think Gadaffi's toppling would have been possible without direct US involvement. There is also the argument that the Saudi's little mess in Yemen had to have US backing for it to be viable.

So no actual wars...glad we agree on this, unless this is now the bar on which to judge when a country is at war which doesn't bode well for the current president.

Rodney Bathgate

Cody montana wrote: »

WHY would he win it for the colour of his skin?

Tokenism. Positive discrimination. Racism. Bigotry of low expectations. Take your pick.

westdublin

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

What do you think he did to deserve it, other than being black and elected?

I think he got it for exactly what he was nominated for.

MadYaker

I get the feeling that most of the pro trump posters in this thread only started paying attention to US politics shortly before trump got elected.

Cody montana

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Tokenism. Positive discrimination. Racism. Bigotry of low expectations. Take your pick.

I selected racism for you.

Rodney Bathgate

westdublin wrote: »

I think he got it for exactly what he was nominated for.

Being black and elected then.

westdublin

Cody montana wrote: »

Didn’t trump call for the boycott of Goodyear tyres?

And let not forget calling for a Fox News reporter to be fired because she reported on a story that didnt paint him in a good light and had the absolute check to actually check the sources and confirm that they said what they said

Mic 1972

Cody montana wrote: »

Didn’t trump call for the boycott of Goodyear tyres?

I'm talking about cancel culture, de-platforming people who disagree with the woke cult.
It affects people's careers and ability to work. People like J K Rowland for example - who wouldn't be considered Republican - are being affected too.
A lot democrats will be motivated to vote for Republicans not because they are but because they want to put a stop

westdublin

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Being black and elected then.

Again I didn't know you could be nominated for being black......but im sure you are going to post some proof on this as soon as you find it.

You wouldn't be one of those posters that's is making something up out of nothing and being all "woke"

Rodney Bathgate

Cody montana wrote: »

I selected racism for you.

Well done. Worse than Hitler. The new stormfront etc.

Now tell me why one specific newly elected US president was given the prize having achieved the same thing that every other US president achieved before him - being elected. Taking colour out of it, why is he different to any predecessor?

Rodney Bathgate

westdublin wrote: »

Again I didn't know you could be nominated for being black......but im sure you are going to post some proof on this as soon as you find it.

You wouldn't be one of those posters that's is making something up out of nothing and being all "woke"

Tell me why one specific newly elected US president was given the prize having achieved the same thing that every other US president achieved before him - being elected. Taking colour out of it, why is he different to any predecessor?

Hande hoche!

westdublin wrote: »

So no actual wars...glad we agree on this, unless this is now the bar on which to judge when a country is at war which doesn't bode well for the current president.

Will give Obama credit not going mad with boots on the ground.
Although going from bombing four countries to bombing seven isn't exactly Noble Peace winning behaviour.

Trump seems to have ramped up the drone strikes. So largely business as usual for the last three administrations.

kenmm

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

What do you think he did to deserve it, other than being black and elected?

You are right that it was bit of a shock at the time, but I think Irrespective of his skin colour he would have gotten the nomination. Things were pretty messed up after the Bush years and any incoming change that campaigned the way they did back then could probably be nominated.

Does that mean he deserved it after such a short time in office? The committee certainly thought so, it was definitely a surprise and probably too soon (any award should be on the merits if the person receiving, not because if what happened before). Was this because if the colour of his skin? I don't think so.

westdublin

Mic 1972 wrote: »

I'm talking about cancel culture, de-platforming people who disagree with the woke cult.
It affects people's careers and ability to work. People like J K Rowland for example - who wouldn't be considered Republican - are being affected too.
A lot democrats will be motivated to vote for Republicans not because they are but because they want to put a stop

Cancel culture is not calling for a boycott of certain people/products....can you tell us what it means to you ?

De-platforming......private companies removing people who are breaking their T&C's that they agreed to when joining......just like Boards

As for J K Rowland not being considered a Republican, she was born in the UK so Im not sure she could vote republican but seeing their attempts at gerrymandering this could soon change.

Cody montana

Mic 1972 wrote: »

I'm talking about cancel culture, de-platforming people who disagree with the woke cult.
It affects people's careers and ability to work. People like J K Rowland for example - who wouldn't be considered Republican - are being affected too.
A lot democrats will be motivated to vote for Republicans not because they are but because they want to put a stop

Oh so we’re only talking about selective cancel culture.
Not in general.

Mic 1972

Cody montana wrote: »

Oh so we’re only talking about selective cancel culture.
Not in general.

Trump firing people falls under unfair dismissal
Culture culture is another thing, and you know it. Don't twist things

Timberrrrrrrr

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Trump firing people falls under unfair dismissal
Culture culture is another thing, and you know it. Don't twist things

Trump called for Fox newsJennifer Griffin to be fired, is Trumps "cancel culture" ok?

Rodney Bathgate

kenmm wrote: »

You are right that it was bit of a shock at the time, but I think Irrespective of his skin colour he would have gotten the nomination. Things were pretty messed up after the Bush years and any incoming change that campaigned the way they did back then could probably be nominated.

Does that mean he deserved it after such a short time in office? The committee certainly thought so, it was definitely a surprise and probably too soon (any award should be on the merits if the person receiving, not because if what happened before). Was this because if the colour of his skin? I don't think so.

Inauguration date 20th January 2009.
Nomination close date 31st January 2009.
What did he do in a maximum of 11 or so days to warrant the nomination? (That is assuming the nomination went in on the 31st.)

westdublin

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Will give Obama credit not going mad with boots on the ground.
Although going from bombing four countries to bombing seven isn't exactly Noble Peace winning behaviour.

Trump seems to have ramped up the drone strikes. So largely business as usual for the last three administrations.

But is the only reason you can win a Nobel Peace Price because you didnt start a war ?
Who was president when the bombing of those 7 countries started ?

Hande hoche!

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Inauguration date 20th January 2009.
Nomination close date 31st January 2009.
What did he do in a maximum of 11 or so days to warrant the nomination? (That is assuming the nomination went in on the 31st.)

Not be George Bush.

Hande hoche!

westdublin wrote: »

But is the only reason you can win a Nobel Peace Price because you didnt start a war ?
Who was president when the bombing of those 7 countries started ?

Four of them were under Bush, three under Obama. Going off memory here.
As for the first part, obviously not. A cursory glance of the winners would reveal that.

kenmm

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Inauguration date 20th January 2009.
Nomination close date 31st January 2009.
What did he do in a maximum of 11 or so days to warrant the nomination? (That is assuming the nomination went in on the 31st.)

I think I clearly said it was too soon for him to get it on his own merits. I also said anyone who wasn't Bush would get it, after the Bush years it was a mess.
I still don't think it's because he was black. You (of course) think differently.
What more do you want me to say?

osarusan

Obama's Nobel Prize was laughable, no point in denying that. He himself acknowledged that it wasn't for anything he had done, rather for what it was hoped he might do (and didn't).

MadYaker

Every us president has blood on their hands and none of them should ever get a Nobel peace prize. Giving it to Obama made a mockery of it. Trump shouldn’t get it either and he won’t. He was nominated again by that same Norwegian nutter that nominated him in 2018. If you’re an elected member of parliament anywhere in the world you can nominate someone for the Nobel peace prize. It’s a joke and this nomination is nothing more than a piss poor attempt to distract people from the Woodward tapes.

Rodney Bathgate

MadYaker wrote: »

Every us president has blood on their hands and none of them should ever get a Nobel peace prize. Giving it to Obama made a mockery of it. Trump shouldn’t get it either and he won’t. He was nominated again by that same Norwegian nutter that nominated him in 2018. If you’re an elected member of parliament anywhere in the world you can nominate someone for the Nobel peace prize. It’s a joke and this nomination is nothing more than a piss poor attempt to distract people from the Woodward tapes.

I wonder which elected nutter(s) nominated Obama.

Rodney Bathgate

kenmm wrote: »

I think I clearly said it was too soon for him to get it on his own merits. I also said anyone who wasn't Bush would get it, after the Bush years it was a mess.
I still don't think it's because he was black. You (of course) think differently.
What more do you want me to say?

At least we agree if wasn’t based on anything he did.

kenmm

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

At least we agree if wasn’t based on anything he did.

Cool. I feel honoured!

But seriously, I think at the time a lot were surprised. Hard to remember, seems a lifetime ago now!

ollkiller

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Trump called for Fox newsJennifer Griffin to be fired, is Trumps "cancel culture" ok?

Left cancel culture bad. Trump cancel culture grand. Seems to be the way of thinking. Personnally I despise all cancel culture. If someone is saying something stupid I invoke my ignore culture.

Cody montana

ollkiller wrote: »

Left cancel culture bad. Trump cancel culture grand. Seems to be the way of thinking. Personnally I despise all cancel culture. If someone is saying something stupid I invoke my ignore culture.

How many companies and media outlets has trump and his supporters called for a boycott of?
Not to mention all the people he said should be fired.

Amazon
Goodyear
Ben and Jerry’s
Harley Davidson
Twitter
Google
Etc.

kenmm

Cody montana wrote: »

How many companies and media outlets has trump and his supporters called for a boycott of?
Not to mention all the people he said should be fired.

Amazon
Goodyear
Ben and Jerry’s
Harley Davidson
Twitter
Google
Etc.

Nasty people. Terrible. All of them. Mean questions.