Who thinks Trump will win?

ollkiller

Biker79 wrote: »

I was trying hard not to insult some of the more lefty left posters ...alas, it was too hard not to in the end. Trump fans are only human as well ( although generally with a higher IQ )

Trump fans have a higher IQ. This should be good. Try to back that up.

Fiery mutant

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

dont forget this gem spouted by them how "Trump is letting the people down"

surely if that was true biden would be miles clear in the polls

Biden is miles clear in the polls.

Overheal

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Not only did she do that but, her office fought a compensation claim that was brought by a wrongfully convicted person.

"Both the state compensation board and attorneys working for Harris vigorously challenged Diaz’s right to any money, arguing that he hadn’t obtained a formal judgment of acquittal -- and that the court that reversed his conviction lacked proper jurisdiction."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-14/kamala-harris-offices-fought-payments-to-wrongly-convicted

She also showed up at this wrongly convicted man's trial twice. When he was being convicted and when he was being sentenced.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bgjm6xPJeaA

That was her job. Upholding the need for a formal judgement of acquittal, a matter of due process.

LessOutragePlz

Fiery mutant wrote: »

Biden is miles clear in the polls.

He might lose more of the black vote that was lost to Trump in 2016 and this would have a big impact on the election results.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/09/biden-battles-trump-lack-enthusiasm-black-voters-200911180922552.html

Timberrrrrrrr

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Oh so when Trump is in charge of the country and there are deaths due to the virus it's all his fault but, when Harris's office that she is in charge of delays a man's appeal and fights his compensation claim then it's nothing to do with her.

The irony is hilarious even more so when you and other posters claim that we have doubled standards with regards to Trump when you've clearly displayed yours in this post.

Did Harris say this?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/398887965302091776?s=20

LessOutragePlz

Overheal wrote: »

That was her job. Upholding the need for a formal judgement of acquittal, a matter of due process.

Was it also her job and a matter of due process to delay an innocent man's appeal for over a year despite there being evidence that someone else had committed the crime that he was in jail for?

"Harris’ district attorney’s office repeatedly delayed responding to the innocence claims of Maurice Caldwell by filing for extensions as Harris ran for attorney general in 2010, keeping Caldwell in prison for more than a year despite evidence that someone else had committed the murder for which he was convicted, according to court records. A judge admonished Harris’ office for the delays and said they might warrant sanction."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-14/kamala-harris-offices-fought-payments-to-wrongly-convicted

Timberrrrrrrr

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Was it also her job and a matter of due process to delay an innocent man's appeal for over a year despite there being evidence that someone else had committed the crime that he was in jail for?

"Harris’ district attorney’s office repeatedly delayed responding to the innocence claims of Maurice Caldwell by filing for extensions as Harris ran for attorney general in 2010, keeping Caldwell in prison for more than a year despite evidence that someone else had committed the murder for which he was convicted, according to court records. A judge admonished Harris’ office for the delays and said they might warrant sanction."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-14/kamala-harris-offices-fought-payments-to-wrongly-convicted

Her office, not her!

If Harris is responsible for the whole office then Trump is responsible for the whole country

LessOutragePlz

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Did Harris say this?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/398887965302091776?s=20

So Harris still isn't responsible for overseeing the actions of her office? but Trump is because he tweeted that am I getting this right?

Fiery mutant

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

He might lose more of the black vote that was lost to Trump in 2016 and this would have a big impact on the election results.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/09/biden-battles-trump-lack-enthusiasm-black-voters-200911180922552.html

Trump might be forced to provide a DNA sample in a court case where he is accused of rape. Something he is fighting, saying he is innocent.

If you were accused of rape, and providing DNA would prove your innocence, what would you do?

LessOutragePlz

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Her office, not her!

If Harris is responsible for the whole office then Trump is responsible for the whole country

But I thought Trump was responsible for 190k deaths?

Which is it Trump is responsible when he is in charge or Harris isn't responsible when she is in charge?

You can't have it both ways.

Fiery mutant

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

So Harris still isn't responsible for overseeing the actions of her office? but Trump is because he tweeted that am I getting this right?

Wasn’t Trump responsible for Trump foundation?!

LessOutragePlz

Fiery mutant wrote: »

Trump might be forced to provide a DNA sample in a court case where he is accused of rape. Something he is fighting, saying he is innocent.

If you were accused of rape, and providing DNA would prove your innocence, what would you do?

And what exactly does this have to with the article I posted in relation to him possibly getting more of the black vote?

Man with broke phone

Fiery mutant wrote: »

Trump might be forced to provide a DNA sample in a court case where he is accused of rape. Something he is fighting, saying he is innocent.

If you were accused of rape, and providing DNA would prove your innocence, what would you do?

The FBI blanked 15 seperate phones belonging to 15 seperate agents by accident when their investigation was investigated because it looked like they wanted to frame him with russian involvement. The investigation into this found the 15 seperate phones were accidentally deleted by 15 seperate highly trained FBI agents at roughly the same time.

Would you trust them with your DNA?

LessOutragePlz

Fiery mutant wrote: »

Wasn’t Trump responsible for Trump foundation?!

If Harris isn't responsible for the actions of her office then Trump isn't responsible for the Trump foundation. I'm just following another poster's logic and holding Trump to the same standards that Harris is being held to.

Overheal

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Was it also her job and a matter of due process to delay an innocent man's appeal for over a year despite there being evidence that someone else had committed the crime that he was in jail for?

"Harris’ district attorney’s office repeatedly delayed responding to the innocence claims of Maurice Caldwell by filing for extensions as Harris ran for attorney general in 2010, keeping Caldwell in prison for more than a year despite evidence that someone else had committed the murder for which he was convicted, according to court records. A judge admonished Harris’ office for the delays and said they might warrant sanction."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-14/kamala-harris-offices-fought-payments-to-wrongly-convicted

So you didn't read the document?

"The court finds the delay in filing the return to be egregious, and possibly deserving of sanctions. However, the petitioner has been convicted of murder and the safety of the public is at stake. Rather than deciding the write based solely on the petition, the court will accept the People's return and Memorandum of Points and Authorities for filing."

Less outrage, please.

Fiery mutant

Everything actually.

Fiery mutant

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

If Harris isn't responsible for the actions of her office then Trump isn't responsible for the Trump foundation. I'm just following another poster's logic and holding Trump to the same standards that Harris is being held to.

No, you’re just talking through your hole. You hold other people to standards that you won’t apply to trump, and it’s proven in your posting.

LessOutragePlz

Overheal wrote: »

So you didn't read the document?

"The court finds the delay in filing the return to be egregious, and possibly deserving of sanctions. However, the petitioner has been convicted of murder and the safety of the public is at stake. Rather than deciding the write based solely on the petition, the court will accept the People's return and Memorandum of Points and Authorities for filing."

Less outrage, please.

I sure did read it and it clearly states that there was a substantial delay in the case at the top of the second page.

Are you denying that the delay was down due to DA's office that Harris was in charge of?

Overheal

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Yeah she sure does like following the letter of the law :rolleyes:

"A state appeals court judge criticized Harris’ office for falsely claiming that the only eyewitness against Jamal Trulove in his murder case feared for her life, making Trulove seem more sinister than he was. The judge said the story was “a yarn” and “made out of whole cloth.” Trulove was convicted, but later exonerated after six years in prison."

Keeping an innocent man in prison for another year despite there being evidence to exonerate him sure is following the letter of the law :rolleyes:

"Harris’ district attorney’s office repeatedly delayed responding to the innocence claims of Maurice Caldwell by filing for extensions as Harris ran for attorney general in 2010, keeping Caldwell in prison for more than a year despite evidence that someone else had committed the murder for which he was convicted, according to court records. A judge admonished Harris’ office for the delays and said they might warrant sanctions."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-14/kamala-harris-offices-fought-payments-to-wrongly-convicted

Another case of hearing what you want to hear, according to this document you indirectly linked to:

"The trial court had found the evidence of ineffective assistance of counseel inadequate. This was partially because it mainly consisted of Jason's testimony, which the judge believed was largely hearsay and was not credible because Jason was an ex-felon. (Id. at 410.)
The appelate court found Jason's testimony could not be so easily dismissed. It noted that Jason's credibility should not be evaluated from the same perspective as a trier of fact, but from the perspective of counsel charged with a duty to defend his client. (Ibid.) The question was not whether Jason's claims were true, but whether counsel's failure to investigate their truth was reasonable. (Ibid.)
The appelate court found counsel's performance was deficient and resulted in prejudice to the appelant, so it reversed the judement."

Overheal

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

I sure did read it and it clearly states that there was a substantial delay in the case at the top of the second page.

Are you denying that the delay was down due to DA's office that Harris was in charge of?

There was delay but as the document notes he was convicted of murder in a court of law and there are procedures for filing timely petitions.

Fiery mutant

Man with broke phone wrote: »

The FBI blanked 15 seperate phones belonging to 15 seperate agents by accident when their investigation was investigated because it looked like they wanted to frame him with russian involvement. The investigation into this found the 15 seperate phones were accidentally deleted by 15 seperate highly trained FBI agents at roughly the same time.

Would you trust them with your DNA?

Would you trust Trump with yours? Seeing as he can’t even keep national secrets to himself without spilling them to reporters or US enemies

LessOutragePlz

Fiery mutant wrote: »

No, you’re just talking through your hole. You hold other people to standards that you won’t apply to trump, and it’s proven in your posting.

I'm not the one that claimed Trump was responsible for over 190K deaths and then denied that Harris was responsible for overseeing the actions of her DA's office. When they delayed a man's appeal against his wrongful conviction for over a year despite there being evidence that proved his innocence as well as fighting his compensation claim for his wrongful conviction. I'm just looking for the same standards that are applied to Trump to be applied to Harris it's only fair really.

ollkiller

Man with broke phone wrote: »

The FBI blanked 15 seperate phones belonging to 15 seperate agents by accident when their investigation was investigated because it looked like they wanted to frame him with russian involvement. The investigation into this found the 15 seperate phones were accidentally deleted by 15 seperate highly trained FBI agents at roughly the same time.

Would you trust them with your DNA?

Would you trust Trump back in the day with your daughter (if you have one). If your answer is yes you're not much of a parent.

Overheal

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

I'm not the one that claimed Trump was responsible for over 190K deaths and then denied that Harris was responsible for overseeing the actions of her DA's office. When they delayed a man's appeal against his wrongful conviction for over a year despite there being evidence that proved his innocence as well as fighting his compensation claim for his wrongful conviction. I'm just looking for the same standards that are applied to Trump to be applied to Harris it's only fair really.

Utterly farcical tbh to equivocate what happened in the man's case and how Trump and his admin have governed the pandemic. There is no comparison.

LessOutragePlz

Overheal wrote: »

There was delay but as the document notes he was convicted of murder in a court of law and there are procedures for filing timely petitions.

Yes but the delay was down to Harris's office that fact is plain as day and it is clearly stated in that document they didn't follow the procedures hence the delay!

Overheal

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Yes but the delay was down to Harris's office that fact is plain as day and it is clearly stated in that document they didn't follow the procedures hence the delay!

And neither did the petitioner, evidently. So it seems really a moot, barrel-scraping argument.

Mic 1972

Overheal wrote: »

There was delay but as the document notes he was convicted of murder in a court of law and there are procedures for filing timely petitions.

Kamala Harris deliberately blocked evidence that would have help an innocent (black man) inmate be freed.
It's been discussed at length.

Justin Credible Darts

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Her office, not her!

If Harris is responsible for the whole office then Trump is responsible for the whole country

so trump is responsible for the good then ?

DangerScouse

ollkiller wrote: »

Would you trust Trump back in the day with your daughter (if you have one). If your answer is yes you're not much of a parent.

I'd trust him more than i'd trust Biden tbh.

LessOutragePlz

Overheal wrote: »

Utterly farcical tbh to equivocate what happened in the man's case and how Trump and his admin have governed the pandemic. There is no comparison.

It's not about the comparison though which you are trying to make it about. It's about holding both of them to the same standards. The events are irrelevant I'm pointing out that when something bad happens in America or a mistake is made while he is running the country that Trump he is clearly made responsible for it by a number of posters but when Harris's office that she is in charge of or responsible for does something bad or makes a mistake she is not responsible at all. There is quite clearly a double standard being applied in this case.