The death of Thiago Cortes MOD NOTE IN OP

joeguevara

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

Mod

Get back on topic please, none of that has anything to do with this thread.

Apologies.

Thoughts and prayers to his friends and family and hoping that the perpetrators brought to justice.

Muahahaha

Being discussed on Liveline right now, a Deliveroo rider is explaining the many assaults on them, being chased by kids with baseball bats and the Gardai saying they can do nothing.

ChikiChiki

Muahahaha wrote: »

Being discussed on Liveline right now, a Deliveroo rider is explaining the many assaults on them, being chased by kids with baseball bats and the Gardai saying they can do nothing.

Gardai in the area are unmotivated. Could you blame them the way the judges and legal system act. I'm living in the area, so many little scumbags.

Three More Big Sleeps

I see that the disease masquerading as a live birth and one of his scummer pals have presented themselves to the Gardaí.

https://www.google.com...-fo100!7i8704!8i4352

"The suspected driver of the car — who recently turned 16 — has also met with gardai but has not been arrested".

"ONE of the passengers suspected of being in the car which ploughed into innocent cyclist Thiago Cortes has come forward... a solicitor for the teenager has informed gardai that his client would not be making any comment."

Am I being terribly naïve here? Am I missing something? Will Mr. Cortes' death just be notched up to an increasingly blind-eye being turned to our native, tracksuited, neck-tattooed feral filth (with their solicitors on speed-dial, hashtag: not their first rodeo).

(Reminds me of that thug who brained the binmen a few weeks ago. Radio-silence since, despite irrefutable video evidence.)

Thelonious Monk

Not arrested, that's nuts. Does it even matter? If you kill someone using a car in this country the penalties are nothing.

Seth Brundle

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Not arrested, that's nuts. Does it even matter? If you kill someone using a car in this country the penalties are nothing.

If he is arrested then there is a time limit to the questioning and how long he can be kept. If he is released then significant new evidence will be required to re-arrest him again.
The gardai are doing it correctly here and not wasting an opportunity to get him fully.

MarkY91

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Gardai in the area are unmotivated. Could you blame them the way the judges and legal system act. I'm living in the area, so many little scumbags.

What do you mean unmotivated? Then sack the useless *****. Would it be acceptable for someone I na different profession to be unmotivated which leads to them not doing their job?

Absolutely useless. Even my Mexican friend coming to Ireland to study somehow knows the Garda are useless. It's surely the general opinion floating about the groups she's a member of on facebook.

Seth Brundle

MarkY91 wrote: »

What do you mean unmotivated? Then sack the useless *****. Would it be acceptable for someone I na different profession to be unmotivated which leads to them not doing their job?

Absolutely useless. Even my Mexican friend coming to Ireland to study somehow knows the Garda are useless. It's surely the general opinion floating about the groups she's a member of on facebook.

Surely you can understand why they might be demotivated? They arrest someone who has a long history of crime or anti social behaviour. They're back out after a few hours. When it eventually gets to court, little happens and if they don't get away with it, then they'll surely be back home before long.
Rinse and repeat many times over.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/man-25-stabbed-in-finglas-while-delivering-food-1.4348828

Here's another poor immigrant being stabbed while delivering food. Cead mile faite indeed.

Mastroianni

I wish remind you all, in case might be one who is even trying to "understand" the situation, that these scumbags threw bottles against the firefighters a few months ago in Cabra. There is no solution, zero tolerance is the only way, so far. We must first destroy the old house in order to build up a new edifice.

DangerScouse

We really need a more forceful police force backed up by the justice system who are able to tell the hug a hoodie crowd to go fcuk themselves.

DangerScouse

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Gardai in the area are unmotivated. Could you blame them the way the judges and legal system act. I'm living in the area, so many little scumbags.

Rubbish. They'd be motivated quick enough if a mansion in Foxrock was been broken into. Let's call a spade a spade a lot of them are actually afraid of these little sh1ts. It's not just city centre either these scummers are ruining areas all over the country.

Guy:Incognito

DangerScouse wrote: »

It's not just city centre either these scummers are ruining areas all over the country.

Indeed.

Theres a group of teenagers that hang around McDonalds in the mill centre in clondalkin most days, causing trouble. Lately its been firing fireworks at houses and the like.

The Garda station is less than 100m away, across the road from McDonalds. They do fook all about it. The group is there from the afternoon till after 10 most nights. It's not like they'd have to go far to find them and there no way they cant hear and see them.

saabsaab

Might a 'drunk tank' type solution work? Lock up for 24 hrs when there is any anti social behaviour. Keep at it for a year or so..

1990sman

have they identified or gotten the driver? alot of speculation i know but so many road deaths in this country, is it bad roads versus modern faster cars? anyone lost on the roads is a tragic and unnecessary death imo.

ordinaryfella

Saw this story and reminded me of this thread. More examples of how these people are just allowed to be attacked: https://extra.ie/2020/09/12/news/irish-news/deliveroo-cyclists-tell-how-they-are-routinely-attacked-on-treacherous-routes

Still no word on arrests and it seems to have gone completely out of the news cycle. I emailed 4 tds about this and got 2 boilerplate/automated replies thanking me for the email. No one in power cares.

DelaneyIn

Have they made any arrests in relation to this?

AndrewJRenko

https://twitter.com/marie_sherlock/status/1306595348618424323?s=19

Mongfinder General

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

https://twitter.com/marie_sherlock/status/1306595348618424323?s=19

Unbelievable. She's pointing the finger at deliveroo. Any chance of her campaigning for tougher sentences for the actions of an unlicensed, dangerous driver who left a defenceless cyclist to die on the side of the road?

AndrewJRenko

Mongfinder General wrote: »

Unbelievable. She's pointing the finger at deliveroo. Any chance of her campaigning for tougher sentences for the actions of an unlicensed, dangerous driver who left a defenceless cyclist to die on the side of the road?

Any employer (whether direct or sub-contractor) has a legal obligation to provide a safe working environment for their employee. The HSA investigation should see if Deliveroo met those obligations.

ChikiChiki

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

https://twitter.com/marie_sherlock/status/1306595348618424323?s=19

If ever there was a case of someone trying to make themselves relevant.

Deliveroo provides an in demand service.

AndrewJRenko

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Deliveroo provides an in demand service.

It doesn't matter whether it is in-demand or not. They STILL have to provide a safe working environment for their employees and contractors.

DangerScouse

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

https://twitter.com/marie_sherlock/status/1306595348618424323?s=19

They could start by paying their employees sick pay and annual leave etc..

Atlantic Dawn

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Any employer (whether direct or sub-contractor) has a legal obligation to provide a safe working environment for their employee. The HSA investigation should see if Deliveroo met those obligations.

Unless they provided him with an Abrams tank to drive around in his safety couldn't be guaranteed against a juvenille driving unlicenced in a car which had no insurance, tax or nct all of which are legal requirements in this country to be on the road.

AndrewJRenko

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Unless they provided him with an Abrams tank to drive around in his safety couldn't be guaranteed against a juvenille driving unlicenced in a car which had no insurance, tax or nct all of which are legal requirements in this country to be on the road.

And if they knew that was a credible risk, and failed to take any mitigating steps (and that's exactly the kind of thing an investigation would show up), they may well have breached the Health, Safety and Welfare at Work Act.

Seth Brundle

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

https://twitter.com/marie_sherlock/status/1306595348618424323?s=19

"Traffic accident" FFS!
:rolleyes:

Seth Brundle

Seth Brundle wrote: »

"Traffic accident" FFS!
:rolleyes:

You have got to recognise that Brazilian fast food delivery guys are not exactly an important voting block. :pac:

The politicians dont give a f*ck.

CucaFace

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Any employer (whether direct or sub-contractor) has a legal obligation to provide a safe working environment for their employee. The HSA investigation should see if Deliveroo met those obligations.

The actual reality here is that Thiago would have actually registered under someone elses name and pps number. Non EU residents as far as i know cannot work for Deliveroo. The vast vast majority are actually working under other peoples details (people who have a EU passport) in exchange for €50 a week or 10% of their weekly take.



But really anyone thinking that deliveroo are somehow to blame are living in a another world.



All the blame here is with the scumbags who killed this guy.

Pkiernan

How far left you have to be to blame a company for the death this poor man?

Some people here should be ashamed of their behaviour.

AndrewJRenko

CucaFace wrote: »

The actual reality here is that Thiago would have actually registered under someone elses name and pps number. Non EU residents as far as i know cannot work for Deliveroo. The vast vast majority are actually working under other peoples details (people who have a EU passport) in exchange for €50 a week or 10% of their weekly take.


.

What's that got to do with Deliveroo's obligations under health and safety legislation?

Tombo2001

CucaFace wrote: »

The actual reality here is that Thiago would have actually registered under someone elses name and pps number. Non EU residents as far as i know cannot work for Deliveroo. The vast vast majority are actually working under other peoples details (people who have a EU passport) in exchange for €50 a week or 10% of their weekly take.



But really anyone thinking that deliveroo are somehow to blame are living in a another world.



All the blame here is with the scumbags who killed this guy.

(I) I think speculation about his work permit is inappropriate.

(II) I agree 100% about your comments on deliveroo.

CucaFace

Tombo2001 wrote: »

(I) I think speculation about his work permit is inappropriate.

(II) I agree 100% about your comments on deliveroo.

I made no comments regarding his work permit per say as i know he was on an English course which means he can work here legally. I work in the English language sector so i know all this pretty well and have many many friends working for Deliveroo. Non EU residents can't actually work for this company so they all work under other peoples names and PPS numbers who charge them money for this. This i feel will complicate any help Thiago's family will get from Deliveroo (unfortunately).

suicide_circus

CucaFace wrote: »

I made no comments regarding his work permit per say as i know he was on an English course which means he can work here legally. I work in the English language sector so i know all this pretty well and have many many friends working for Deliveroo. Non EU residents can't actually work for this company so they all work under other peoples names and PPS numbers who charge them money for this. This i feel will complicate any help Thiago's family will get from Deliveroo (unfortunately).

Interesting. In my experience the vast majority of Deliveroo staff in Dublin are Brazilian. You sure non EU folk cant work for them?

macpaccrack

CucaFace wrote: »

The actual reality here is that Thiago would have actually registered under someone elses name and pps number. Non EU residents as far as i know cannot work for Deliveroo. The vast vast majority are actually working under other peoples details (people who have a EU passport) in exchange for €50 a week or 10% of their weekly take.



But really anyone thinking that deliveroo are somehow to blame are living in a another world.



All the blame here is with the scumbags who killed this guy.

You are such a complete and utter miserable ****.

That bitterness and resentment must come from years of self loathing you complete sad act

Fritzbox

CucaFace wrote: »

Non EU residents can't actually work for this company

Why not?

If they have permission to work in Ireland (as you have stated) why can't they work for a fast food delivery service?

suicide_circus

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/thiagos-visa-did-not-allow-him-to-work-for-deliveroo-39545166.html

Well the Indo confirms his visa " did not allow him to work for deliveroo"...i dont have a subscription, does anyone else? Presume his visa only allowed certain types of work and precluded others? Or is it a deliveroo policy? Seems to confirm CucaFaces post.

Gervais08

It’s incredibly sad that he has died, and the scum who hit him and ran off should jailed for a significant amount of time (I doubt they will though) but all factors need to be looked at - and if he was not breaking the law he’d likely be alive.

That’s not cruel, it’s not “victim blaming” - it’s a fact. There is a huge black economy of “language students” coming to Ireland learning nothing but working cash in hand. I’m learning a language currently from a 40 euro app - there must be some other reason people fly round the world???

Beechwoodspark

macpaccrack wrote: »

You are such a complete and utter miserable ****.

That bitterness and resentment must come from years of self loathing you complete sad act

That’s a bit much.

Actually

Fcuk it - sorry now but that post of yours is completely over the top

If deliveroo don’t want non Eu employees and Tiago was working for them under false pretenses then take it up with deliveroo !

suicide_circus

Gervais08 wrote: »

There is a huge black economy of “language students” coming to Ireland learning nothing but working cash in hand. I’m learning a language currently from a 40 euro app - there must be some other reason people fly round the world???

Yeah the language school industry here is largely a crock, has been for years.

Seth Brundle

Gervais08 wrote: »

It’s incredibly sad that he has died, and the scum who hit him and ran off should jailed for a significant amount of time (I doubt they will though) but all factors need to be looked at - and if he was not breaking the law he’d likely be alive.

That’s not cruel, it’s not “victim blaming” - it’s a fact. There is a huge black economy of “language students” coming to Ireland learning nothing but working cash in hand. I’m learning a language currently from a 40 euro app - there must be some other reason people fly round the world???

Care to elaborate on the bit in bold?

AndrewJRenko

suicide_circus wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/thiagos-visa-did-not-allow-him-to-work-for-deliveroo-39545166.html

Well the Indo confirms his visa " did not allow him to work for deliveroo"...i dont have a subscription, does anyone else? Presume his visa only allowed certain types of work and precluded others? Or is it a deliveroo policy? Seems to confirm CucaFaces post.

Which highlights the importance of an HSA investigation into the employer's policy and practices to see if they've been turning a blind eye to such issues routinely

Gervais08

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Care to elaborate on the bit in bold?

I already did - his visa conditions didn’t allow him to work for Deliveroo and he conspired with a legitimate driver to illegally work.

Gervais08

Gervais08 wrote: »

I already did - his visa conditions didn’t allow him to work for Deliveroo and he conspired with a legitimate driver to illegally work.

Who gives a **** about that. Lots of Irish folks have done plenty of dodgy work visa wheezes over the years in Oz, NZ & the USA.

Dublin city should be safe enough for ordinary people to ride a bicycle without getting killed by by a bunch of little scrotes.

Pronto63

suicide_circus wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/thiagos-visa-did-not-allow-him-to-work-for-deliveroo-39545166.html

Well the Indo confirms his visa " did not allow him to work for deliveroo"...i dont have a subscription, does anyone else? Presume his visa only allowed certain types of work and precluded others? Or is it a deliveroo policy? Seems to confirm CucaFaces post.

1. Brazilian nationals don’t require a visa to travel to Ireland.

2. Any non-EEU national who wishes to stay, longer than 90 days, in the state must register with the immigration authorities.

3. If this poor man was a student he would have received a “Stamp 2” which allows the holder to work 20hrs p/wk during term time and 40hrs p/wk during holidays.

4. There is no restriction on the type of employment or employer. Obviously you can’t join the Army, Guards, Civil Service etc.

5. With a stamp 2 you are not allowed to start a business or be self employed. I’d imagine this is the issue in this case. AFAIK Deliveroo drivers are sub-contractors and therefore self-employed.

suicide_circus

Yeah thats probably it

DelaneyIn

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Who gives a **** about that. Lots of Irish folks have done plenty of dodgy work visa wheezes over the years in Oz, NZ & the USA.

And they should be fined and deported for doing so too. I have no time nor respect for anyone who arrives in a country with the intention that their first action is to intentionally and immediately break the country's laws.

Doesn’t matter if it’s Patrick in New York or Rodrigo in Dublin.

You have missed the point completely.

Irishphotodesk

Gervais08 wrote: »

It’s incredibly sad that he has died, and the scum who hit him and ran off should jailed for a significant amount of time (I doubt they will though) but all factors need to be looked at - and if he was not breaking the law he’d likely be alive.

That’s not cruel, it’s not “victim blaming” - it’s a fact. There is a huge black economy of “language students” coming to Ireland learning nothing but working cash in hand. I’m learning a language currently from a 40 euro app - there must be some other reason people fly round the world???

I have to disagree with your comment stating that if he was not breaking the law he'd likely be alive.

How far back do you go to try to excuse the event, if the government didn't make the decision to restrict access to work from countries like Brazil or if the EU allowed all migrants to work in all sectors he would have been here legally, so do you blame the EU or Irish government ?

The blame in tragic incidents are usually a number of factors, not usually one single thing, in this case I'm assuming the majority of the blame goes to the lads that were driving the car.

Do you blame the car owner for selling the car ? Or the buyer/buyers for purchasing ? (We don't know the drivers level of competence behind a wheel, how much driver training they have ...if any)
We don't even know if the driver has a licence to drive or if they have traffic convictions.

Gervais08

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

https://twitter.com/realdrumpfdon/status/1039991784837992455?s=19

Was there a comment there ??

macpaccrack

Everyone loves the Brazilians, get over it lads.

The guys are cool and really down to earth and the women are beautiful, fun and friendly.

The only people who seem to hate the Brazilians are the sad act loners who don't get invited to the parties