Have NPHET lost the attention of people?

Plumbthedepths

normanoffside wrote: »

NPHET advised the government to send untested elderly patients from Hospitals to nursing homes to free up beds and subsequently brought the virus into Nursing homes en masse..
NPHET allowed visitors into Nursing homes without restrictions against HIQA advice well into the pandemic
HPHET didn't introduce testing in Nursing home staff until over 1000 nursing home residents had died.
NPHET advised government to allow Italian Rugby Fans come to Ireland when the epidemic was low here and high in northern Itlay.
NPHET didn't advise Government to cancel St Patrick's day Parades or close pubs until public pressure made them cancel and close themselves.

NPHET have never admitted any wrong or apologised for anything.

Why does anyone still trust NPHET?

Well put.

MrMusician18

normanoffside wrote: »

NPHET advised the government to send untested elderly patients from Hospitals to nursing homes to free up beds and subsequently brought the virus into Nursing homes en masse..
NPHET allowed visitors into Nursing homes without restrictions against HIQA advice well into the pandemic
HPHET didn't introduce testing in Nursing home staff until over 1000 nursing home residents had died.
NPHET advised government to allow Italian Rugby Fans come to Ireland when the epidemic was low here and high in northern Itlay.
NPHET didn't advise Government to cancel St Patrick's day Parades or close pubs until public pressure made them cancel and close themselves.

NPHET have never admitted any wrong or apologised for anything.

Why does anyone still trust NPHET?

Thanks for the list captain hindsight.

What would you do in your expert opinion?

FintanMcluskey

normanoffside wrote: »

NPHET advised the government to send untested elderly patients from Hospitals to nursing homes to free up beds and subsequently brought the virus into Nursing homes en masse..
NPHET allowed visitors into Nursing homes without restrictions against HIQA advice well into the pandemic
HPHET didn't introduce testing in Nursing home staff until over 1000 nursing home residents had died.
NPHET advised government to allow Italian Rugby Fans come to Ireland when the epidemic was low here and high in northern Itlay.
NPHET didn't advise Government to cancel St Patrick's day Parades or close pubs until public pressure made them cancel and close themselves.

NPHET have never admitted any wrong or apologised for anything.

Why does anyone still trust NPHET?

People still trust NPHET because they are petrified.

Someone on the main thread spoke about how the choice is contract a deadly disease and die, or take a chance on a rushed vaccine and live.

Bizzare stuff knowing what we now do

Plumbthedepths

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Thanks for the list captain hindsight.

What would you do in your expert opinion?

Hindsight? Did you like the rest of us hear about the deaths in Italy in February/March the elderly were most at risk and the least protected. Hospital beds emptied into nursing homes no test. One would imagine an awareness of future outcome is a feature of planning.

normanoffside

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Thanks for the list captain hindsight.

What would you do in your expert opinion?

Captain Hindsight?

These points have been put to members of NPHET before but they prefer to say that 'no-one should be blamed'.

Other countries that made similar f* Ups (Tengell- Sweden's Tony H) and Macron (France's Leo/MMM) have publicly apologised for similar mistakes in strategy.

Meanwhile here NPHET say that no-one should be blamed and Government hide and say they were just being guided by NPHET.

Plumbthedepths

normanoffside wrote: »

Captain Hindsight?

These points have been put to members of NPHET before but they prefer to say that 'no-one should be blamed'.

Other countries that made similar f* Ups (Tengell- Sweden's Tony H) and Macron (France's Leo/MMM) have publicly apologised for similar mistakes in strategy.

Meanwhile here NPHET say that no-one should be blamed and Government hide and say they were just being guided by NPHET.

Systematic failure. ;-)

normanoffside

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Systematic failure. ;-)

The problem that I have is that NPHET's f**k Ups have subsequently shaped government strategy and the public's fear of the virus, yet no one blames them.

It's like a serial killer reporting on their own murders and blaming someone else.

Plumbthedepths

normanoffside wrote: »

The problem that I have is that NPHET's f**k Ups have subsequently shaped government strategy and the public's fear of the virus, yet no one blames them.

It's like a serial killer reporting on their own murders and blaming someone else.

Control the narrative ,write the outcome.

Jinglejangle69

T I N F O I L.

normanoffside

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

T I N F O I L.

Go on then, dispute any point.

Wolf359f

normanoffside wrote: »

NPHET advised the government to send untested elderly patients from Hospitals to nursing homes to free up beds and subsequently brought the virus into Nursing homes en masse..
NPHET allowed visitors into Nursing homes without restrictions against HIQA advice well into the pandemic
HPHET didn't introduce testing in Nursing home staff until over 1000 nursing home residents had died.
NPHET advised government to allow Italian Rugby Fans come to Ireland when the epidemic was low here and high in northern Itlay.
NPHET didn't advise Government to cancel St Patrick's day Parades or close pubs until public pressure made them cancel and close themselves.

NPHET have never admitted any wrong or apologised for anything.

Why does anyone still trust NPHET?

It's funny that 2 of your statements never included 'advised'
1. Visitors didn't bring covid into nursing homes
2. NPHET can't introduce testing into nursing home staff, they could advise against it or advise for it.

Happydays2020

kippy wrote: »

So who should advise the government on these matters?

At this stage I would prefer the ECDC to provide the broad policy advice. I would cede sovereignty to a pool of International experts.

However, that is not going to happen and the new senior officials oversight group is the next best step but NPHET members leaking to the media and providing background briefing is not how a public servant should act.

Ellie2008

Philip Nolan needs to be more careful on Twitter. Some of his tweets I’d view as inflammatory & IMO could lead to people taking a F you attitude & breaking the restitutions.

Happydays2020

Ellie2008 wrote: »

Philip Nolan needs to be more careful on Twitter. Some of his tweets I’d view as inflammatory & IMO could lead to people taking a F you attitude & breaking the restitutions.

The tweets I saw were to justify the position to close restaurants and food pubs. I also thought it was very defensive and has now raised questions on whether restaurants and pubs should be open outside Dublin.

Ellie2008

Happydays2020 wrote: »

The tweets I saw were to justify the position to close restaurants and food pubs. I also thought it was very defensive and has now raised questions on whether restaurants and pubs should be open outside Dublin.

The one I had in mind was the one where he said if you’re questioning the decisions the government must make are you doing so to hold them to account or for your own agenda? Very political I thought from a non politician.

The ones about the restaurants I saw read to me like look we think thats where it’s spreading but very don’t have the resources to prove it. If you are doing to shut down an entire industry you need to do a bit better than that.

I’d have to qualify that by saying I’d never sign up for the job but he needs to be careful about how he cones across.

Happydays2020

Ellie2008 wrote: »

The one I had in mind was the one where he said if you’re questioning the decisions the government must make are you doing so to hold them to account or for your own agenda? Very political I thought from a non politician.

The ones about the restaurants I saw read to me like look we think thats where it’s spreading but very don’t have the resources to prove it. If you are doing to shut down an entire industry you need to do a bit better than that.

I’d have to qualify that by saying I’d never sign up for the job but he needs to be careful about how he cones across.

Yes that is very political. But also a signal of group think - anyone who questions their view must have a vested interest.

Zebra3

kippy wrote: »

Yeah I do.
You've no idea what you are talking about.

Did you even read the headline? :rolleyes:

"Government will 'act on' any NPHET recommendations".

That's not governing.

The government's job is take advice on board and weight everything up. The need for possible possible restrictions and the damage that restrictions can do to people's health and to the economy which we need to fund our health system.

I said the government wasn't governing and was rubber stamping what NPHET recommended.

This is obviously true.

Or are you saying the Justice Minister is a liar or that the journalist made up her quotes?

kowloonkev

Double O Seven wrote: »

You do realise that primary school aged kids would be touching their mask, touching their eyes thus rendering a mask useless

Of course that would happen but it would still be better than no masks. Let the teachers worry about enforcing it and making it a habit. Most kids will follow the rules if the teacher has created a good classroom environment.

I think it would help to prevent the spread as masks have been proven to do so.

MadYaker

Zebra3 wrote: »

Did you even read the headline? :rolleyes:

"Government will 'act on' any NPHET recommendations".

That's not governing.

The government's job is take advice on board and weight everything up. The need for possible possible restrictions and the damage that restrictions can do to people's health and to the economy which we need to fund our health system.

I said the government wasn't governing and was rubber stamping what NPHET recommended.

This is obviously true.

Or are you saying the Justice Minister is a liar or that the journalist made up her quotes?

Do you actually listen to what any of them are saying? Multiple politicians have said on radio and tv that they are aware of the effects on the economy. But you don't care, in your opinion all the restrictions are nonsense being imposed on us for no reason whatsover and you know better than all the doctors and scientists.

irishblessing

My primary age kids wear a mask properly just fine- plenty of practice over the summer.

While the meat factories are allowed to run amok the NPHET have no faith from me.

We went a month here in Waterford without a single case and we're now on the doorstep of Level 3. All because of a meat factory.


I'll continue to wear my mask and limit contacts, of course.

zerosugarbuzz

normanoffside wrote: »

NPHET advised the government to send untested elderly patients from Hospitals to nursing homes to free up beds and subsequently brought the virus into Nursing homes en masse..
NPHET allowed visitors into Nursing homes without restrictions against HIQA advice well into the pandemic
HPHET didn't introduce testing in Nursing home staff until over 1000 nursing home residents had died.
NPHET advised government to allow Italian Rugby Fans come to Ireland when the epidemic was low here and high in northern Itlay.
NPHET didn't advise Government to cancel St Patrick's day Parades or close pubs until public pressure made them cancel and close themselves.

NPHET have never admitted any wrong or apologised for anything.

Why does anyone still trust NPHET?

Very well said. Also seems like they like being wheeled out on media as the experts. Egos are very easy grown in that environment, they’ll be reluctant to let that go.

westernfrenzy

normanoffside wrote: »

NPHET advised the government to send untested elderly patients from Hospitals to nursing homes to free up beds and subsequently brought the virus into Nursing homes en masse..
NPHET allowed visitors into Nursing homes without restrictions against HIQA advice well into the pandemic
HPHET didn't introduce testing in Nursing home staff until over 1000 nursing home residents had died.
NPHET advised government to allow Italian Rugby Fans come to Ireland when the epidemic was low here and high in northern Itlay.
NPHET didn't advise Government to cancel St Patrick's day Parades or close pubs until public pressure made them cancel and close themselves.

NPHET have never admitted any wrong or apologised for anything.

Why does anyone still trust NPHET?

Because they're the public health officials so they must be trusted, they've more knowledge than you ever will

You and all the other donkeys that thanked this utterly ridiculous post need yer heads checked because none of you have a single ****ing brain cell between the whole ****ing lot of you

Plumbthedepths

westernfrenzy wrote: »

Because they're the public health officials so they must be trusted, they've more knowledge than you ever will

You and all the other donkeys that thanked this utterly ridiculous post need yer heads checked because none of you have a single ****ing brain cell between the whole ****ing lot of you

They must be trusted?
Not so long ago DeGauscan was saying masks were not effective one example.
You should temper your angry aswell, not good for you.

copeyhagen

kowloonkev wrote: »

Of course that would happen but it would still be better than no masks. Let the teachers worry about enforcing it and making it a habit. Most kids will follow the rules if the teacher has created a good classroom environment.

I think it would help to prevent the spread as masks have been proven to do so.

personally i dont want my children wearing a mask to be a habit.

TomTomTim

westernfrenzy wrote: »

Because they're the public health officials so they must be trusted, they've more knowledge than you ever will

You and all the other donkeys that thanked this utterly ridiculous post need yer heads checked because none of you have a single ****ing brain cell between the whole ****ing lot of you

Once again, blind obedience. If they regularly explained their reasoning, and said reasoning was sound, you'd have a point. They don't do that though, it's all framed in general terms, with no specifics standards being explained. You can cry all you like about how the other side are stupid, but your side is simply sucking on the tit of authority, with no care about how the authority is performing.

MrMusician18

Zebra3 wrote: »

Did you even read the headline? :rolleyes:

"Government will 'act on' any NPHET recommendations".

That's not governing.

The government's job is take advice on board and weight everything up. The need for possible possible restrictions and the damage that restrictions can do to people's health and to the economy which we need to fund our health system.

I said the government wasn't governing and was rubber stamping what NPHET recommended.

This is obviously true.

Or are you saying the Justice Minister is a liar or that the journalist made up her quotes?

When you say you want them to govern, what you really mean is that you want them to ignore the advice of their experts.

You know better yeah?

Zebra3

MadYaker wrote: »

Do you actually listen to what any of them are saying? Multiple politicians have said on radio and tv that they are aware of the effects on the economy. But you don't care, in your opinion all the restrictions are nonsense being imposed on us for no reason whatsover and you know better than all the doctors and scientists.

The government has clearly stated that what NPHET say, goes.

NPHET do not take damage to the economy into their recommendations.

Zebra3

MrMusician18 wrote: »

When you say you want them to govern, what you really mean is that you want them to ignore the advice of their experts.

You know better yeah?

The stats are there for everyone to read on how "dangerous" the virus is.

Nobody expects any government to ignore any expert medical advice.

What people want is balanced, informed decisions being taken by our elected government.

The government has clearly stated that this is not happening.

irishblessing

copeyhagen wrote: »

personally i dont want my children wearing a mask to be a habit.

Why not?