Have NPHET lost the attention of people?

XsApollo

We had our lockdown which was tough but we all did it.

We had it down to single digits and we could of got rid of it I reckon with borders locked down and mandatory quarantine for all arrivals into the country.
But they didn’t do anything, sickening really that we all went through that only for anybody that wanted to arrive in the country they could do with nothing in place to check them and keep the virus in check.

We should of locked down the borders that time opened the country back up and put the resources that have been spent since on propping up the industries effected by a border lockdown.

Stevie wonder could of seen what would happen and it has.

And now they want to screw us over again only to come out of another lockdown and repeat the exact same thing again.

Madness and it’s infuriating.

Iamhere

Dressing room lost.

GarIT

Akesh wrote: »

It doesn't but it's hard to justify a full lockdown when the planning and methodology so far have achieved very little. Ultimately it will get to the point where we will no longer be able to afford to lockdown the country.

I also think the public have very little confidence in the governance of this virus.

Without the last lockdown we could currently be at over 1 million cases and 30,000 dead. We have achieved a lot imo. Now we need another lockdown from that scenario happening around Christmas.

Certainly a lot has been mismanaged. Tourists still being allowed in was never a good look no matter how little affect they were having. I agree the dressing room has been lost.

SEPT 23 1989

Government had six months to sort out the hospitals for this event

The chan chan man

Hellrazer wrote: »

What is the point in having a 5 point plan when they can just jump from 2 to 5 without taking the steps in between?

We were told that the "living with covid plan" was the one they were sticking to.

Now you have these inept bunch of fools throwing that out the window again. The whole of NPHET need to be brought down a peg or two.

This might actually bring the government down and I predicted a pre Christmas election!!

NPHET are recommending level 5. Government playing the game will try to win public back by only going to level 4, knowing full well they’ll jump to level 5 during the Halloween midterm so they can replicate a full 2 Well lockdown without having to ‘close’ the schools.

Hellrazer

GarIT wrote: »

Without a lockdown cases double every two weeks. Do you think thousands dying will be good for the economy?

But you see this is the problem - theres not "thousands dying"
Weve had 1800 deaths in 7 months and even that figure is debatable and is probably only about 1000 at most.

Back in February we were told we`d have 100k deaths. The lockdown didn't save 98,000 and its not going to save 98,000 this time.

Its this scare mongering crap that has us the way we are.

Isolate the medically vulnerable and let the rest of the country get on with things.
That is the only solution.

Happydays2020

NPHET is mainly made up of the leadership in the HSE and Department of Health with a few experts thrown in (and not world class experts). These are the same people who have mismanaged the health service despite getting billions of funds each year (we have been throwing money at health for 15 out of the last 20 years).

The fact that they had the dressing room for so long is the miracle.

Happydays2020

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Government had six months to sort out the hospitals for this event

Wrong. The HSE. They had a blank cheque and still did not know what to do.

GarIT

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Government had six months to sort out the hospitals for this event

If you can train doctors in six months you're smarter than all.of TCD. We've added 50% to your surge ICU capacity and are working on adding 20% to our permanent ICU capacity. It's going all right as far as I can see.

jaykay74

GarIT wrote: »

Without the last lockdown we could currently be at over 1 million cases and 30,000 dead..

That would be a large multiple of the highest deaths per million in the world :rolleyes:

zerosugarbuzz

The chan chan man wrote: »

NPHET are recommending level 5. Government playing the game will try to win public back by only going to level 4, knowing full well they’ll jump to level 5 during the Halloween midterm so they can replicate a full 2 Well lockdown without having to ‘close’ the schools.

Will they start giving out Prozac to the kids in school? Cos they are going have to do something for the mental health of our young and vulnerable.

uli84

The price to pay is just too high, only fool wouldn’t see that, NPHET should lock themselves down instead

GarIT

Hellrazer wrote: »

But you see this is the problem - theres not "thousands dying"
Weve had 1800 deaths in 7 months and even that figure is debatable and is probably only about 1000 at most.

Back in February we were told we`d have 100k deaths. The lockdown didn't save 98,000 and its not going to save 98,000 this time.

Its this scare mongering crap that has us the way we are.

Isolate the medically vulnerable and let the rest of the country get on with things.
That is the only solution.

And you think that we wouldn't have had more deaths without restrictions. Spend two minutes doubling a number and see how quickly it gets bigger than you can count.

For 1 k deaths per week, working backwards:
1k, 500, 250, 125, 67, 34, 17, 9

Takes two months at the no restriction rate to go from 9 deaths a week to 1k deaths per week and 4 months at the level 3 rate of spread.

Mrs OBumble

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

Will they start giving out Prozac to the kids in school? Cos they are going have to do something for the mental health of our young and vulnerable.

No need because even at level 5, schools are still open: adults lose their jobs so the kids can play eith their friends.

almostover

The Wordress wrote: »

No they should not.

Since the middle of last week, I have been hearing of case after case after case locally.

A lot of people I know have beem having a very Blase attitude to this virus. It'll never happen to me, I don't have to take precautions. Basically laughing in the face of it but like I said, people I know with this attitude have caught it and have had a real kick up the backside. Maybe they didn't contract it bad but they had to close their businesses temporarily and passed it to high risk people
etc.

Until we all get back on the same page, we will not kick this Virus' backside.

We all need to be singing from the same hymn sheet. Not one rule for Peter and another for Paul.

Heard a similar story from GFs sister. Her friends is in a house share with 4 other in early 20s. One of whom is an ICU nurse. One Male housemate has his hf over for an evening of a Wednesday. Nothing wrong there but the kicker is that this lads GF is awaiting the results of a COVID test. Gets results the following day and is positive. It's not the first time I've heard from people I know of people not self isolating when either awaiting a test or when told there had close contact with a confirmed case. There has been a lot of stupid decisions by many people.

It should have been let burn through the population over the summer..

Surely if we go back into lockdown we won't get out of it until next April?..

GarIT

jaykay74 wrote: »

That would be a large multiple of the highest deaths per million in the world :rolleyes:

I thought 3% was the number from the predictions of what would happen without the last lockdown? And is it not our current situation a bit over 30k past cases with over 1k dead?

And the number of deaths increases tenfold when the ICU capacity is reached. So our % of deaths to cases will be low until we max out the ICU capacity and then anyone that should be in ICU but there isn't space for starts dropping like flies.

Hellrazer

GarIT wrote: »

And you think that we wouldn't have had more deaths without restrictions. Spend two minutes doubling a number and see how quickly it gets bigger than you can count.

For 1 k deaths per week, working backwards:
1k, 500, 250, 125, 67, 34, 17, 9

Takes two months at the no restriction rate to go from 9 deaths a week to 1k deaths per week and 4 months at the level 3 rate of spread.

Heres some figure from the last time I posted in a similar thread.You can work backwards all you like - weve a population of 5 million.Covids death rate is 1.4% - Im being very generous here - that's 70,000 deaths. And only if every single person in the country contracts covid.

The death rate from covid 19 is roughly 1.4% (and that's being generous - some sources say between 0.5 and 0.65%) ie out those that have a positive test 1.4% will die.

If you want to use your 700k of over 65s then that equates to 9800 deaths.
If you want to use the total population of the Republic @ 5 million that still only equates to 70,000 deaths and that's assuming that every man ,woman and child has a positive test.

So Im not making up facts - the facts are covid has a death rate in those with positive test of around 1.4%

NPHET told us there was a potential of 100000 deaths - weve had no where near that and wont have near that even if we had no lock down.

As a matter of FACT theres only 2 countries in the world that has exceeded 100000 deaths.

At the time when NPHET announced the potential of 100k deaths China were sitting at around 2000 deaths and I remember having a conversation with a friend who is a microbiologist and he even said NPHET were blatantly lying to frighten the public into accepting theirs and only theirs advice and any one that tried to argue with their advice did not get any air time.

As a matter of fact he said our deaths would top out at 10k before this pandemic runs its course - Id actually say it will be closer to 9000 but so far hes been more correct than NPHET has.

While I agree that our strategy has saved some lives it definitely has not saved 92,000 lives!!!

lisasimpson

GarIT wrote: »

If you can train doctors in six months you're smarter than all.of TCD. We've added 50% to your surge ICU capacity and are working on adding 20% to our permanent ICU capacity. It's going all right as far as I can see.

What about all the health professionals that came home to answer Ireland call and never got jobs after it. Many have returned where they came from.

GarIT

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It should have been let burn through the population over the summer..

Surely if we go back into lockdown we won't get out of it until next April?..

If we can get the cases down to the single digits it gives us at least another 12 weeks before it's a major worry again.

GarIT

lisasimpson wrote: »

What about all the health professionals that came home to answer Ireland call and never got jobs after it. Many have returned where they came from.

Link?

reg114

I think if people are looking to take their anger out on anyone it should be the Gov and not NPHET heres why :

The only reason we lockdown down at all was to prevent person to person interaction which reduces transmission and potential for cases and hospitalisations. The key word here is hospitalisations.

Ireland has the lowest number of hospital beds and the lowest number of ICU beds in the OECD, thats the lowest of 43 countries. If there is no lockdown the hospitals will be swamped to the point of collapse especially the ICU facilities.

The fact we have such a low number of hospital beds is purely down to successive governments not prioritising effective healthcare spending. This has nothing to do with NPHET.

If Ireland had sufficient Bed numbers AND a proper test, track and trace system that gave results same day as testing we would not have to lockdown the country.

Flaws in the system an our approach to Covid are purely down to failure by our government to invest in healthcare over many years in this country. NPHET's responsibility is to advise the gov on strategy to reduce the impact of the virus based on the parameters the gov gives it and this includes numbers of available beds in hospitals.

listermint

GarIT wrote: »

Without a lockdown cases double every two weeks. Do you think thousands dying will be good for the economy?

Why does the economy matter more than people's health?

That's an unusual take to have from someone who yesterday called people living scum for being in affordable or socially provided housing.


Interesting. Very interesting

GarIT

GarIT wrote: »

If we can get the cases down to the single digits it gives us at least another 12 weeks before it's a major worry again.

Yeah, but like, with regular cold/flu season starting everything is going to look like covid..

Thierry12

GarIT wrote: »

I thought 3% was the number from the predictions of what would happen without the last lockdown? And is it not our current situation a bit over 30k past cases with over 1k dead?

And the number of deaths increases tenfold when the ICU capacity is reached. So our % of deaths to cases will be low until we max out the ICU capacity and then anyone that should be in ICU but there isn't space for starts dropping like flies.

Its 0.13% death rate

750 million have had it according to WHO

250,000 have had it in Ireland using that 0.13% IFR

It aint Ebola

Relax with your doom

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/covid-19-world-in-for-a-hell-of-a-ride-in-coming-months-dr-mike-ryan-says-1.4370626%3fmode=amp

GarIT

listermint wrote: »

That's an unusual take to have from someone who yesterday called people living scum for being in affordable or socially provided housing.


Interesting. Very interesting

There's a huge difference between a pandemic and being unwilling to move out of a high cost of living area and expecting everyone else to pay for your accommodation there.

bush

Im awake all night over the thoughts of another lockdown. Absolutely fuming

lawrencesummers

Gonna be some epic house parties over the next few weeks.

lisasimpson

GarIT wrote: »

Link?

It had been well documented. Even if a nurse wants to re locate and change hospitals it can take up to 6 months. This was pointed out again on drivetime when the HSE plan was announced 10 days ago. HSE had the perfect opportunity to start addressing the staff shortages the last few months. Instead they dropped the ball. Cancer sceeening postponed letters went out last week that community physio appointments cancelled a d postponed coz the physio are too busy contact tracing. So tough **** if your recovering from heart surgery or a stroke. Breast check resuming but gone from every 2 years to every 3 years. From personal experience this is crazy as the screeming saved my mother not one but twice But sure hey covid is a great excuse for dr tony to hid behind and cover up his role in the cerival cancer **** up while on a nice wage package... meanwhile thousand of people a have to suffer the fallout of inaction. Mental health fallout will kill multipl more than covid itself

GarIT

GarIT wrote: »

Without a lockdown cases double every two weeks. Do you think thousands dying will be good for the economy?

Why does the economy matter more than people's health?

Thousands are not dying and never have . Stop the hysteria!!
No deaths yesterday , 10 the day before all from August and earlier !

Cases rising , deaths are NOT