Have NPHET lost the attention of people?

KaneToad

CiarraiManc wrote: »

If I'm asking for an explanation it obviously isn't

I'd like an explanation too. I don't understand it either.

Tenzor07

Millionaire only not wrote: »

Claire Byrne is still shook , she does not look as good since she got the covit .

I'm sure her €216,000 annual salary will make her feel more comfy..

She probably uses €300 to light the fire every night...

Valhallapt

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Really does seem today was the death Nell of nphet

Hopefully. If it is to stay it needs massive reform.

Feisar

So we have this 5 Level plan. 1500 cases in the past three days. How is Leo saying advice to go to level 5 came without warning?
The plan should have been published with parameters. X amount of cases means this level.

karlitob

Speakerboxx wrote: »

It didn't clear the virus so yes its a failure.

Ah, come on. I thought you were being reasonable.

You think that Tony Holohan should be measured against whether or not COVn-19 is eradicated from Ireland.

That’s some standard you’ve set the man. Sure even in New Zealand - it’s back. With such a high standard for CMOs I’m sure you know the name of the New Zealand CMO - the god amongst men, the person who Tony should hold a candle to, the person who eradicated COVn-19.....but then came back again.

The aim was to suppress the virus - it clearly worked. Whatever about the failing of government to provide clarity on the goal now - what level is acceptable - it is the fault of citizens that the virus spreads, not Tony.

Millionaire only not

Tenzor07 wrote: »

I'm sure her €216,000 annual salary will make her feel more comfy..

She probably uses €300 to light the fire every night...

She wouldn’t need any fire if I was with her !!

karlitob

Valhallapt wrote: »

Hopefully. If it is to stay it needs massive reform.

What reform would you suggest?

Beechwoodspark

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Leaking that letter to RTE was completely and utterly uncalled for. They were politicking, playing games with the public. Who the **** do they think they are? It was a pure flex move. Disgusting behaviour.

There needs to be an investigation into who leaked the letter (probably won't be too long to find him) and they should be introduced to the pandemic unemployment payment

Agree with most of this but what is a

“Pure flex move”?

Tenzor07

Millionaire only not wrote: »

She wouldn’t need any fire if I was with her !!

Durty!

CiarraiManc

Millionaire only not wrote: »

She wouldn’t need any fire if I was with her !!

Good old internet misogyny

Tenzor07

Claire's getting the jab after the break.....

Feisar

CiarraiManc wrote: »

Good old internet misogyny

I don’t think that word means what you think it means.

Millionaire only not

CiarraiManc wrote: »

Good old internet misogyny

I’m only telling the truth- ffs grow up

Andrewf20

Amelie Important Script wrote: »

The numbers of cases and deaths are in many ways just that, just numbers, until you know someone in those statistics, in particular the deaths.

I think most understand that this pandemic is wrecking world economies and we also have the second threat of Brexit. Therefore people do have a point of being against the restrictions. They are those that just want to have an active social life, have a few house parties etc. and enjoy life.

Nothing wrong with any of that but would these people feel different if someone close to them died or was seriously ill and impacted by Covid? Easy for people to flout restrictions or want less restrictions if they don't pay the price. Just like taxes, many don't mind higher taxes to pay for services once they aren't the ones paying the taxes.

One thing I hope all can agree on - Covid is a fcuking mess of a situation.

But elderly people die every year from a rise in respiratory illnesses (and more) in the winter time. You could argue that more could be done in any year to lower deaths but it doesn't happen and no one bats an eyelid as its not in the headlines.

Approx 140,000 excess deaths were recorded in Europe in the 2017/18 winter season from respiratory illness for example. The reality is that elderly loved ones have an increased risk of death in every winter they pass through.

The question is - where do you draw the line in the sand.

Richard Hillman

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Agree with most of this but what is a

“Pure flex move”?

They were flexing their muscles. Leaking out the statement to put pressure on the government.

Speakerboxx

karlitob wrote: »

Ah, come on. I thought you were being reasonable.

You think that Tony Holohan should be measured against whether or not COVn-19 is eradicated from Ireland.

That’s some standard you’ve set the man. Sure even in New Zealand - it’s back. With such a high standard for CMOs I’m sure you know the name of the New Zealand CMO - the god amongst men, the person who Tony should hold a candle to, the person who eradicated COVn-19.....but then came back again.

The aim was to suppress the virus - it clearly worked. Whatever about the failing of government to provide clarity on the goal now - what level is acceptable - it is the fault of citizens that the virus spreads, not Tony.

It didn't work. The virus is back again. We have rising cases again for heavens sake and will the virus will continue to be in society until we can wipe it out with a vaccine. Lockdown isn't the answer. Not everyone was adhering to the guidelines either which made this a pointless exercise in the end.

Donald Trump

Millionaire only not wrote: »

She wouldn’t need any fire if I was with her !!

Would she catch something with an oul' burning sensation from ya? :P

karlitob

CiarraiManc wrote: »

Good old internet misogyny

Good old internet - great at making slanderous accusations without evidence all in the name of ‘equality/social justice/leftist ideology of identity politics.’

Misogyny definition is - hatred of, aversion to, or prejudice against women.

Crass, inappropriate, childish - but that comment hardly represents hatred against women. How can you expect someone to change their behaviour when you make false accusations like that about someone.

Can’t wait to see you call out the women who say the exact same thing about men - would you even know the name.

Millionaire only not

Andrewf20 wrote: »

But elderly people die every year from a rise in respiratory illnesses (and more) in the winter time. You could argue that more could be done in any year to lower deaths but it doesn't happen and no one bats an eyelid as its not in the headlines.

Approx 140,000 excess deaths were recorded in Europe in the 2017/18 winter season from respiratory illness for example. The reality is that elderly loved ones have an increased risk of death in every winter they pass through.

The question is - where do you draw the line in the sand.

U have to cull out the elderly , throwing loads of drugs and pills into people that don’t know there own name is not humane either .
Such is life wether it’s flu , covit , cancer or any other issue the world will throw at us , people will die . People need to get over it and move on .
There loved ones in nursing homes and not able to visit them is little comfort to either party .

Richard Hillman

Tenzor07 wrote: »

I'm sure her €216,000 annual salary will make her feel more comfy..

She probably uses €300 to light the fire every night...

€20 notes as firelighters

Millionaire only not

Donald Trump wrote: »

Would she catch something with an oul' burning sensation from ya? :P

I went down down down and flames went higher - lol

Andrewf20

Speakerboxx wrote: »

It didn't work. The virus is back again. We have rising cases again for heavens sake and will the virus will continue to be in society until we can wipe it out with a vaccine. Lockdown isn't the answer. Not everyone was adhering to the guidelines either which made this a pointless exercise in the end.

And alot of people are spooked about taking a rushed vaccine it sounds like. Did I see a quote somewhere around 30% of people would refuse it.

Reports of issues with Pandemrix around 2009 wont help stir confidence.

McHardcore

Andrewf20 wrote: »

But elderly people die every year from a rise in respiratory illnesses (and more) in the winter time. You could argue that more could be done in any year to lower deaths but it doesn't happen and no one bats an eyelid as its not in the headlines.

Approx 140,000 excess deaths were recorded in Europe in the 2017/18 winter season from respiratory illness for example. The reality is that elderly loved ones have an increased risk of death in every winter they pass through.

Its not comparable. This is a new method that people are dying. It's *adding* to the number of deaths that happen due to respiratory deaths every year.

Ginger n Lemon

There were 13 people on ICU beds with positive covid PCR test on 15 September.
Today there are 23 people on ICU beds with positive PCR test.

in 20 days, we've had 10 extra people go on ICU beds with covid.

Now, for each one of those individuals, 18,000 will go on PUP tomorrow onward for a minimum of 3 weeks.

People who voted to keep NPHET, can you please explain to me what was behind that thinking? Have we saved livelihoods tonight with this idiotic announcement?

McHardcore

Speakerboxx wrote: »

It didn't work. The virus is back again. We have rising cases again for heavens sake and will the virus will continue to be in society until we can wipe it out with a vaccine. Lockdown isn't the answer. Not everyone was adhering to the guidelines either which made this a pointless exercise in the end.

The lockdown did work. It reduced the number of infections down to single daily figures.

The main argument is if it is too costly to the economy, not if it worked or not.

karlitob

Speakerboxx wrote: »

It didn't work. The virus is back again. We have rising cases again for heavens sake and will the virus will continue to be in society until we can wipe it out with a vaccine. Lockdown isn't the answer. Not everyone was adhering to the guidelines either which made this a pointless exercise in the end.

It did work - the virus was suppressed, as was the goal. Flatten the curve. The virus doesn’t ‘go away’ and then say ‘lads I’m back, I had a few weeks in Majorca and ready for a second wave’. It’s the same virus, transmitting the same way.

Who said that there will be a vaccine. The worlds scientific community have been working on a vaccine for HIV and for malaria for decades - zilch. And you think that a magic vaccine is a given - only time - and then that’s that.

‘Lockdown isn’t the answer’ well it depends on what you want. I’m confused about what your point is. If you think that Tony H failed because the ‘virus is back’ the lockdown really is the most effective method.

If you think a tolerable level of Covid-19 is acceptable then you need to be clear on the priorities of society (schools etc), have a fast test and trace system (inc people actually showing up for test 1 and test 2), and ultimately citizens (all citizens) regardless of how tired they are of this to follow the simple guidelines.

Your logic that since not everyone follows the guidelines being a pointless exercise is just silly.

Tenzor07

McHardcore wrote: »

The lockdown did work. It reduced the number of infections down to single daily figures.

Lockdowns, straight from the Spanish Flu of 1917/8 rulebook, keep people isolated from the indiscriminate killer...

Move forward 100 years and Governments are very very slowly starting to see that they don't work.

Andrewf20

McHardcore wrote: »

Its not comparable. This is a new method that people are dying. It's *adding* to the number of deaths that happen due to respiratory deaths every year.

Yes - early on this year due in part to the "dry tinder" effect but covid deaths remain very low now across pretty much all of Europe from what I can see. And this is with cases rising since July in alot of countries. The death now profiles seem to be generally in line of whats expected for this time of year.

Diarmuid

McHardcore wrote: »

The lockdown did work. It reduced the number of infections down to single daily figures.

The main argument is if it is too costly to the economy, not if it worked or not.

That's true. You could also add to that, the question as to whether it's a sustainable solution for the next year to 18 months. I think the answer is obvious.

karlitob

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

People who voted to keep NPHET, can you please explain to me what was behind that thinking? Have we saved livelihoods tonight with this idiotic announcement?

NPHET are experts in their respective fields who advise government based on the terms of reference set out by government.

Who else is gonna advise the government? If it’s not NPHET it’ll be another group because it’ll certainly be the same people as they are there ex officio, as a function of the office that they hold.

I don’t want Michael Martin to make a decision in the absence of expert advice.