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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,911 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    Bobtheman wrote: »
    I think if schools remain open while everywhere else is closed - attendance will collapse.

    I don't know Bobtheman, I wouldn't be sure about that.I think many people are that bit more jaded this time round, just want to get on with their lives as best they can and reopen as soon as possible.Also many don't trust the Government or NPHET - 3 weeks turning to 6 weeks, turning to 8 weeks like last time.The feeling is certainly not what it was back in March.I mean, how long has Dublin been at Level 3 now?It was meant to be 3 weeks wasn't it?Fairly sure it has been longer than that?And no indication being given of any timeframe for that to change.Many people may take the view that we will keep sending in kids while we can because who knows when the opportunity will stop.And many parents don't believe the "one extra week added to the midterm" rubbish either, last time it turned into 14 weeks, then the summer holidays.

    Once bitten, twice shy.


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    I think tomorrow they will go to level 4 with some level 5 .
    There will be a meeting between the minister and unions.
    The results of the Asti ballot won't be known until over mid term. If the ballot is yes and the government has given no concessions then industrial action will occur.
    The ballot itself has about ten questions.
    The last thing the Government wants is teachers matching outside schools saying they feel unsafe.
    There ain't no easy solutions to make us feel safe.
    The close contact would want to be extended to anybody in a classroom with X kid if somebody gets covid. That's just a start. At present it's just the kids immediately around the student which is bull****.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,498 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    Bobtheman wrote: »
    I think tomorrow they will go to level 4 with some level 5 .
    There will be a meeting between the minister and unions.
    The results of the Asti ballot won't be known until over mid term. If the ballot is yes and the government has given no concessions then industrial action will occur.
    The ballot itself has about ten questions.
    The last thing the Government wants is teachers matching outside schools saying they feel unsafe.
    There ain't no easy solutions to make us feel safe.
    The close contact would want to be extended to anybody in a classroom with X kid if somebody gets covid. That's just a start. At present it's just the kids immediately around the student which is bull****.

    Actually , it’s happening more and more that children beside the child infected, their teachers/ SNAs aren’t “ close contacts .”


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    Do management have to inform the parents of students if one of their teachers has contracted the virus? Just curious what happens there.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭sitstill


    Do management have to inform the parents of students if one of their teachers has contracted the virus? Just curious what happens there.

    No they don't. GDPR and all that. In that situation, the HSE would contact any parent whose child is deemed a close contact. The other would not be informed.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,426 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Do management have to inform the parents of students if one of their teachers has contracted the virus? Just curious what happens there.

    No obligation.


  • Registered Users Posts: 48,247 ✭✭✭✭km79


    No obligation.

    It’s not even no obligation
    Not allowed under GDPR


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,832 ✭✭✭heldel00


    Let's say a child in Junior Infants tests positive, should their "pod" not be notified or what is protocol in this circumstance?


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,426 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    heldel00 wrote: »
    Let's say a child in Junior Infants tests positive, should their "pod" not be notified or what is protocol in this circumstance?

    Hmmmm. According to the guidelines there are no "pods" below 3rd class.

    In practice those identified as close contacts will be notified/contacted. Most primary principals are letting the whole class know there was/is a case.


  • Registered Users Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Will Yam


    Bobtheman wrote: »
    I think if schools remain open while everywhere else is closed - attendance will collapse.

    It may certainly go down. But collapse? Not a hope. Parents want their kids educated, and given that virtually everything else will be closed this renders schools relatively safer.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Will Yam


    Bobtheman wrote: »

    The last thing the Government wants is teachers matching outside schools saying they feel unsafe.


    There ain't no easy solutions to make us feel safe.
    **.


    1. Incorrect. The last thing the govt wants is 1 million parents demanding schools reopen. And quick.

    2. Correct. Just like supermarkets, pharmacies, buses, trains, hospitals, dentist surgeries etc.

    There are no safe havens. Everywhere carries risk. The question becomes what activities are worth the risks.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭babybuilder


    Will Yam wrote: »
    1. Incorrect. The last thing the govt wants is 1 million parents demanding schools reopen. And quick.

    2. Correct. Just like supermarkets, pharmacies, buses, trains, hospitals, dentist surgeries etc.

    There are no safe havens. Everywhere carries risk. The question becomes what activities are worth the risks.
    I million indoors in winter is guaranteed spread if virus. Schools will close eventually partially or fully. Maybe not this week but definitely before Xmas.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,215 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Will Yam wrote: »
    1. Incorrect. The last thing the govt wants is 1 million parents demanding schools reopen. And quick.

    2. Correct. Just like supermarkets, pharmacies, buses, trains, hospitals, dentist surgeries etc.

    There are no safe havens. Everywhere carries risk. The question becomes what activities are worth the risks.

    Incorrect, the last thing Government want is to be found in the wrong about reopening schools en masse in the first place, rather than a phased reopening as was suggested in the roadmap they threw out the window.

    Correct there are no safe havens, however moving the goalposts for what is a close contact in schools only stinks to high heaven.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,476 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    I million indoors in winter is guaranteed spread if virus. Schools will close eventually partially or fully. Maybe not this week but definitely before Xmas.

    Schools will literally be the only social outlet left for teenagers. Not a hope they will social distance. Sure there already trying to get the shift on in the bathrooms during class time!

    All Eyes On Rafah



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭babybuilder


    Schools will literally be the only social outlet left for teenagers. Not a hope they will social distance. Sure there already trying to get the shift on in the bathrooms during class time!

    We were all students once ðŸ˜


  • Registered Users Posts: 48,247 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Will Yam wrote: »
    1. Incorrect. The last thing the govt wants is 1 million parents demanding schools reopen. And quick.

    2. Correct. Just like supermarkets, pharmacies, buses, trains, hospitals, dentist surgeries etc.

    There are no safe havens. Everywhere carries risk. The question becomes what activities are worth the risks.

    Again
    All of those have and will be operating with limited numbers
    Schools are opening with full capacity indoors

    Not sure why this is so hard to understand
    It is an absolute NONSENSE that the whole country is being locked down but schools continue as normal
    It’s a pure face saving exercise at this stage and is costing us valuable time . People must surely realize this by now .....


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,911 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    Hmmmm. According to the guidelines there are no "pods" below 3rd class.

    In practice those identified as close contacts will be notified/contacted. Most primary principals are letting the whole class know there was/is a case.

    In our school it happened in first class.Whole class was notified, and sent home ,tested and had to restrict movements for 14 days.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,018 ✭✭✭man_no_plan


    We were all students once ðŸ˜

    Your username speaks to this....


  • Registered Users Posts: 114 ✭✭LW2018


    Have people seen the message from the school in Navan that has said the HSE have redefined the 'close contact' in a post-primary setting? It now says that close contacts are only those who are without a mask for more than 15 minutes with less than a 2 metre distanced maintained and mentioning lunchtime and break-times? The positive case will be asked whom they spent lunch with and whether social distancing was maintained etc. Has anybody heard of close contacts being redefined or is anybody clear on who are the close contacts within the classroom setting?


  • Registered Users Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Will Yam


    km79 wrote: »
    Again
    All of those have and will be operating with limited numbers
    Schools are opening with full capacity indoors

    Not sure why this is so hard to understand
    It is an absolute NONSENSE that the whole country is being locked down but schools continue as normal
    It’s a pure face saving exercise at this stage and is costing us valuable time . People must surely realize this by now .....

    The national reproductive rate is about 7.5%. The rate in schools is 1.8%.

    It’s quite clear that schools are among the safest places to be.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,476 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Will Yam wrote: »
    The national reproductive rate is about 7.5%. The rate in schools is 1.8%.

    It’s quite clear that schools are among the safest places to be.

    Yet 1500 cases in schools up North.

    I have my doubts and suspicions on how the data is interpreted down here as to what is a school infection case or not.

    All Eyes On Rafah



  • Registered Users Posts: 282 ✭✭patsman07


    Will Yam wrote: »
    The national reproductive rate is about 7.5%. The rate in schools is 1.8%.

    It’s quite clear that schools are among the safest places to be.


    Where did you get those numbers Will Yam?


  • Registered Users Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Will Yam


    Yet 1500 cases in schools up North.

    I have my doubts and suspicions on how the data is interpreted down here as to what is a school infection case or not.

    The close the school lobby refuse to accept any figures which don’t support their cause.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,476 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Will Yam wrote: »
    The close the school lobby refuse to accept any figures which don’t support their cause.

    How is that related to anything I posted?

    All Eyes On Rafah



  • Registered Users Posts: 48,247 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Will Yam wrote: »
    The national reproductive rate is about 7.5%. The rate in schools is 1.8%.

    It’s quite clear that schools are among the safest places to be.

    Ok
    So
    Why can’t society remain fully open like schools?
    Just wear masks , sanitize hands and have 30 people in small indoor rooms ?
    Why is there need for any other restrictions other than these ? Especially outdoors ?
    Give me a break
    Have a look at the post just above yours regarding close contacts in schools
    That’s why the numbers are low

    People were losing their minds with outrage when students were gathering outdoors on Spanish Arch in Galway (which incidentally lead to no spike AI was never spoken about again ) but then are also saying schools are so safe

    If schools are safe so is the rest of the country open it all up
    If the rest of the country isn’t then it’s absolutely bananas to not at least restrict numbers in schools . It could all be for nothing ......


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭joebloggs32


    LW2018 wrote: »
    Have people seen the message from the school in Navan that has said the HSE have redefined the 'close contact' in a post-primary setting? It now says that close contacts are only those who are without a mask for more than 15 minutes with less than a 2 metre distanced maintained and mentioning lunchtime and break-times? The positive case will be asked whom they spent lunch with and whether social distancing was maintained etc. Has anybody heard of close contacts being redefined or is anybody clear on who are the close contacts within the classroom setting?

    An email came out on friday from the TUI about a change in how close contacts and casual contacts were being identified.
    There was a link on it which btought you to a HSE website that went through everything.


  • Registered Users Posts: 821 ✭✭✭Coneygree


    No reassurances and no clarifications. We're still being told to wear visors at the top of the classroom so kids can see your mouth/facial expression while you teach. Mid-term cannot come fast enough, I'm burned out from the stress alone.


  • Registered Users Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Will Yam


    km79 wrote: »
    Ok
    So
    Why can’t society remain fully open like schools?
    Just wear masks , sanitize hands and have 30 people in small indoor rooms ?
    Why is there need for any other restrictions other than these ? Especially outdoors ?
    Give me a break
    Have a look at the post just above yours regarding close contacts in schools
    That’s why the numbers are low

    People were losing their minds with outrage when students were gathering outdoors on Spanish Arch in Galway (which incidentally lead to no spike AI was never spoken about again ) but then are also saying schools are so safe

    If schools are safe so is the rest of the country open it all up
    If the rest of the country isn’t then it’s absolutely bananas to not at least restrict numbers in schools . It could all be for nothing ......

    Because it’s all about risk and benefits. So that means that every coming together of humans is risky.

    However in some cases the risk isn’t worth it. A good example would be night clubs.

    And education is so important the risk is worth it. Particularly at level 5 where there is much less engagement in the community.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,127 ✭✭✭piplip87


    My eldest school has 15 teachers out. 3 positives and 12 close contacts. They have not released any info to students families. Only thenyoung fella is friends with one of the teachers daughters we wouldn't know. They are keeping one year off a day this week. My TY said they had nothing but free classes today as they are TY and not really of major concern.

    Surely it would make sense to close the school this week and have an extra week mod term so all teachers can get the all clear.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭Darth Melkor


    Will Yam wrote: »
    Because it’s all about risk and benefits. So that means that every coming together of humans is risky.

    However in some cases the risk isn’t worth it. A good example would be night clubs.

    And education is so important the risk is worth it. Particularly at level 5 where there is much less engagement in the community.

    You didn't answer the question.

    On a similar note, if the rate outside schools is over 7% and in schools is 1.7% surely we should actually open up restaurants?

    We should make it that the tables are approximately half a metre apart. We should strive for a minimum of 30 customers for every 25 square metres. We should ensure that patrons frequently pull down their masks. Rather than travelling by car to this eatery, we can pile the customers onto buses, maybe 20 to 30 per vehicle. The driver can glance occasionally in his mirror and give a shout if the passengers are without their masks and out of their seats.

    In the restaurants, diners can get up every few minutes when the waiters aren't watching and engage in wrestling/ufc bouts, share bites of their chicken rolls, take a pull of each others fags or vaping devices and also shift as many as possible of diners from other tables. These restaurants could try to keep the customers confined in their poorly ventilated premises for up to 7 hours. Obviously, pubs and any other public venues should strive to achieve the same type of conduct. Then and only then can we begin to tackle this pandemic.

    Also, the government if they had any compassion at all would immediately transport the elderly from nursing homes into schools. Why would they deny the vulnerable and critically ill the safest environment in the country?


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