Covid in Schools

jrosen

They really don’t help themselves do they! When sanitizer is a line of defense it’s not something to get wrong

yankinlk

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Well the science shouldn't be any different whether there are 4 cases or 40,000 cases.
If kids aren't a factor like we are being spoonfed here then why are the French doing this or do they have a different variant of Covid than u

Global data aligns with hse data, it ain't the schools....

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2020/1030/1174784-schools-coronavirus/

8k71ps

yankinlk wrote: »

Global data aligns with hse data, it ain't the schools....

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2020/1030/1174784-schools-coronavirus/

https://www.princeton.edu/news/2020/09/30/largest-covid-19-contact-tracing-study-date-finds-children-key-spread-evidence

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.5694/mja2.50823

I can say as a matter of fact that it absolutely isn't the consensus, that nature article for instance includes that nonsense study we published saying that there was no evidence of school transmission in march. Infact the more recent studies are going the other way and showing that they are significant hot-spots

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/medicine/research-and-impact/groups/react-study (Y7-12 have much higher prevalence than other ages except uni cohort)
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30502-6/fulltexthttps://www.princeton.edu/news/2020/09/30/largest-covid-19-contact-tracing-study-date-finds-children-key-spread-evidence
https://www.timesofisrael.com/health-ministry-report-finds-kids-more-likely-to-catch-virus-than-adults/

wirelessdude01

yankinlk wrote: »

Global data aligns with hse data, it ain't the schools....

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2020/1030/1174784-schools-coronavirus/

Again, why do other countries go against the science so?

yankinlk

8k71ps wrote: »

https://www.princeton.edu/news/2020/09/30/largest-covid-19-contact-tracing-study-date-finds-children-key-spread-evidence

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.5694/mja2.50823

I can say as a matter of fact that it absolutely isn't the consensus, that nature article for instance includes that nonsense study we published saying that there was no evidence of school transmission in march. Infact the more recent studies are going the other way and showing that they are significant hot-spots

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/medicine/research-and-impact/groups/react-study (Y7-12 have much higher prevalence than other ages except uni cohort)
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30502-6/fulltexthttps://www.princeton.edu/news/2020/09/30/largest-covid-19-contact-tracing-study-date-finds-children-key-spread-evidence
https://www.timesofisrael.com/health-ministry-report-finds-kids-more-likely-to-catch-virus-than-adults/

A like for like comparison ya think? It says children, it doesn't say schools. In India 50% of the children don't go to school.

8k71ps

yankinlk wrote: »

A like for like comparison ya think? It says children, it doesn't say schools. In India 50% of the children don't go to school.

95% of Indians go to Primary schools and 70% to Secondary. Infact that would suggest the schools are more dangerous in Ireland than they are over there

yankinlk

8k71ps wrote: »

95% of Indians go to Primary schools and 70% to Secondary. Infact that would suggest the schools are more dangerous in Ireland than they are over there

U really think that comparing Ireland and India school systems is comparable

shesty

Our principal emailed this morning to say the sanitiser products were not an issue for the school.

Also this article is interesting, for those who have not already seen it.The models are good -a room, a bar and a classroom, based on a Spanish study.Interestingly it assumes a class size of 24, which is probably larger than the so-called norm in Europe.

https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-10-28/a-room-a-bar-and-a-class-how-the-coronavirus-is-spread-through-the-air.html

8k71ps

yankinlk wrote: »

U really think that comparing Ireland and India school systems is comparable

it would go up in the Irish system due to more participation alongside colder temperatures (It is most infectious around 10C).

mirrorwall14

Our VP emailed to say we have some of the products but they have replaced all products and the school are back as normal Monday

8k71ps

shesty wrote: »

Our principal emailed this morning to say the sanitiser products were not an issue for the school.

Also this article is interesting, for those who have not already seen it.The models are good -a room, a bar and a classroom, based on a Spanish study.Interestingly it assumes a class size of 24, which is probably larger than the so-called norm in Europe.

https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-10-28/a-room-a-bar-and-a-class-how-the-coronavirus-is-spread-through-the-air.html

Higher than most of Europe but lower than ours lmao. It's actually too conservative a model for us

jrosen

Same email from our secondary school to say they have recalled products but have new ones ready to go for Monday. Bloody **** show for the principals. As if they dont have enough organizing to be doing.

Rosita

jrosen wrote: »

Same email from our secondary school to say they have recalled products but have new ones ready to go for Monday. Bloody **** show for the principals. As if they dont have enough organizing to be doing.

As with most things associated with the reopening of schools in the Covid era I'm sure it's the caretakers who actually did it. And in fairness putting new cleaning products around the school is not an outrageous challenge. The interesting part is how it conveniently emerged as an issue when schools were closed and it could be sorted during that time. Makes you wonder if they are aware of this for some time but suppressed it until now.

shesty

I would be querying how we were only testing them now, knowing they were on a list for schools (or anyone to use).....

shesty

8k71ps wrote: »

Higher than most of Europe but lower than ours lmao. It's actually too conservative a model for us

Yes, but seeing as the model came from Spain, I was surprised they didn't go for a lower number.

km79

Halloween part 10
Normas revenge
https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/inspectors-redeployed-to-help-covid-school-teams-39688735.html

“Inspectors' knowledge of schools and their relationships with principals is seen as a way to enhance the work of the public health teams in communicating with and advising schools that are faced with an infection,“

Why don’t they just make them available as dedicated subs . On call daily for schools. Sitting by the phone hoping for the call , not knowing where they will be going or the classrooms they will be facing into on any given day . I mean they are the experts rights so it should not phase them ......

khalessi

km79 wrote: »

Halloween part 10
Normas revenge
https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/inspectors-redeployed-to-help-covid-school-teams-39688735.html

“Inspectors' knowledge of schools and their relationships with principals is seen as a way to enhance the work of the public health teams in communicating with and advising schools that are faced with an infection,“

Why don’t they just make them available as dedicated subs . On call daily for schools. Sitting by the phone hoping for the call , not knowing where they will be going or the classrooms they will be facing into on any given day . I mean they are the experts rights so it should not phase them ......

Ah yes these were the covid inspectors that were mentioned in August September and never appeared, that were going to check schools covid compliance repackaged in a box. Yup they should be subbing.

wirelessdude01

km79 wrote: »

Halloween part 10
Normas revenge
https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/inspectors-redeployed-to-help-covid-school-teams-39688735.html

“Inspectors' knowledge of schools and their relationships with principals is seen as a way to enhance the work of the public health teams in communicating with and advising schools that are faced with an infection,“

Why don’t they just make them available as dedicated subs . On call daily for schools. Sitting by the phone hoping for the call , not knowing where they will be going or the classrooms they will be facing into on any given day . I mean they are the experts rights so it should not phase them ......

This made me laugh.

Most of the inspectors wouldn't be able to stick going back into a classroom to actually teach.

I once had an inspector make a suggestion to me in the presence of my principal. The principal stood up, thanked the inspector for their feedback but that I was to ignore it as it wasn't based on reality and kindly asked the inspector to leave the school grounds.

In reality inspectors may have a good phone relationship with a principal but really don't know how schools really work. They are generally divorced from the actual reality of day to day life in schools.

Thought the inspectors has already been redeployed to the HSA for Covid compliance checks?

km79

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

This made me laugh.

Most of the inspectors wouldn't be able to stick going back into a classroom to actually teach.

I once had an inspector make a suggestion to me in the presence of my principal. The principal stood up, thanked the inspector for their feedback but that I was to ignore it as it wasn't based on reality and kindly asked the inspector to leave the school grounds.

In reality inspectors may have a good phone relationship with a principal but really don't know how schools really work. They are generally divorced from the actual reality of day to day life in schools.

Thought the inspectors has already been redeployed to the HSA for Covid compliance checks?

Maybe they didn’t like what they found (the reality ) in most schools .......

rainbowtrout

km79 wrote: »

Why don’t they just make them available as dedicated subs . On call daily for schools.

Drive by subs?:pac:

mirrorwall14

km79 wrote: »

Halloween part 10
Normas revenge
https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/inspectors-redeployed-to-help-covid-school-teams-39688735.html

“Inspectors' knowledge of schools and their relationships with principals is seen as a way to enhance the work of the public health teams in communicating with and advising schools that are faced with an infection,“

Why don’t they just make them available as dedicated subs . On call daily for schools. Sitting by the phone hoping for the call , not knowing where they will be going or the classrooms they will be facing into on any given day . I mean they are the experts rights so it should not phase them ......

To be fair they’d probably have a better working knowledge of schools than the public health teams do and anything that speeds up the process is needed. I’m generally all for bashing but this isn’t actually the worst idea. I’m very high risk working from home and was wondering if I could contact them about helping if needed

We did have a covid inspection in my school so they were about

rainbowtrout

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Thought the inspectors has already been redeployed to the HSA for Covid compliance checks?

I guess that didn't happen then.

mirrorwall14

rainbowtrout wrote: »

I guess that didn't happen then.

They were inspecting schools. We had one

khalessi

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

They were inspecting schools. We had one

How did it go? Did they seem covid knowledgeable?

mirrorwall14

khalessi wrote: »

How did it go? Did they seem covid knowledgeable?

I’m working from home. Very high risk. So I just know there was an inspector. Didn’t meet him. Friend of mine met him and said questions were yes/no answers

khalessi

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1031/1175008-schools-covid/

"They are right about different rules applying. Dr Collins freely acknowledged on Thursday that public health officials are being deliberately conservative when it comes to who is deemed a close contact in a school setting. When it comes to public health, she explained, it's not just about Covid."

They are happily admitting it now.

km79

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

To be fair they’d probably have a better working knowledge of schools than the public health teams do and anything that speeds up the process is needed. I’m generally all for bashing but this isn’t actually the worst idea. I’m very high risk working from home and was wondering if I could contact them about helping if needed

We did have a covid inspection in my school so they were about

They are fully qualified teachers who are available for work
They should be made available as emergency subs
That is the help schools need

wirelessdude01

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

They were inspecting schools. We had one

Did they come to the school?

Ours just rang it in. Asked for some documents and photos of signage to be emailed and that was it. Principal.said that the call lasted maybe 10mins and it was just a total fluff call.

mirrorwall14

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Did they come to the school?

Ours just rang it in. Asked for some documents and photos of signage to be emailed and that was it. Principal.said that the call lasted maybe 10mins and it was just a total fluff call.

Ours definitely came in for the inspection. Call came in advance of it

mirrorwall14

km79 wrote: »

They are fully qualified teachers who are available for work
They should be made available as emergency subs
That is the help schools need

We’ll have to agree to disagree here. I would agree both roles are very important. However with principals saying it’s taking up to a week to proper contact tracing in schools that’s a situation that simply cannot continue if we are to contacting covid. If they help shorten that turn around then absolutely they are helpful.

Not having enough teachers is a massive issue. And the reality already on the ground is that it’s unqualified subs. I know that. I just think contact tracing is incredibly important right now