Are there any universally loved Irish people

bureau2009

Interesting that nobody has nominated......Twink!

NedLowry

Ray D'arcy

Muahahaha

8-10 wrote: »

Agreed. He's an excellent broadcaster and smart interviewer.

There's a certain smoothness that the best broadcasters have and you're seeing it less and less these days. Kenny has always just had that comfortable style in the role.

I don't really get why some dislike him, but he's certainly not bad at what he does.

That's also why I mentioned Terry Wogan in this thread. He had the same smoothness.

Was Wogan not universally loved?

Wogan was definitely universally loved in England, his radio show used to have over 8 million listeners waiting on his every word, there was a certain magic about his radio broadcasts.

Pat Kenny a good broadcaster but I think that whole mess where he tried to steal his next door neighbours garden sticks in peoples minds. He seemed to think because he was cutting the grass and the hedges for his elderly neighbour that he could just claim the (very valuable) land for himself when his neighbour was in his 80's The fact he let it go to court showed he thought he was in the right. Like he knew he wasnt the legal owner of the land but still thought he would be able to grab it for free. When travellers squat on land we give out, it shouldnt be any different for when Pat Kenny did it in Killiney.

Man Vs ManUre

Peg, the white horse that Jackie Healy-Rae owned.

golfball37

Andy Lee

Fuascailteoir

joeguevara wrote: »

What demographic has this new view of Michael D Higgins. He is probably the most loved President in my lifetime and I’m going back to Patrick Hillary.

He is a believer in social justice but also follows through and includes students and young people from socially deprived areas when other politicians and advocates pay lip service.

Every speech he makes is a piece of art which includes literary references, educational references and examples to bring it to real life so people can understand it.

He is a Gaelgoir and is constantly promoting our native language while others deride it.

He has been part of major steps forward in inclusion in our country and not hid behind red tape. For example when the same s3x marriage was voted through by 1.2 million people, he signed it into law, not on a whim but knowledge even where people with no legal basis or case tried to delay or rescind with no other reason but hate.

To say he changes his voice is crazy. He’s sounded the same his whole life. He also treats dignitaries and less fortunate as equals and never allows pomp to trump human life.

And when you saw him shaking hands with the Irish Rugby Team dwarfed beside Devin Toner, you cant not love him.

He carries himself very well but there are issues there. The amount of money he is costing is one, the hypocrisy in running a second terms when he had categorically ruled it out to get elected the first time and then the crawing about property developers when he was in the process of evicting some students so he could flip a property himself

freshpopcorn

palmcut wrote: »

Willie Duggan

The teacher?

joeguevara

Fuascailteoir wrote: »

He carries himself very well but there are issues there. The amount of money he is costing is one, the hypocrisy in running a second terms when he had categorically ruled it out to get elected the first time and then the crawing about property developers when he was in the process of evicting some students so he could flip a property himself

Interesting. Firstly Michael D was the first president to ever implement a full fiscal and financial review of all spending in Áras an Uachtaráin. It has been disingenuously posted by countless people that The spending is all for his benefit. In his first term his food spend was 1.7 million but that included oveer 1500 state dinners and functions, he spent 40k on books and stationery but every state dignatary that comes to Ireland gets a personalised letter and a book so that carefully chosen to put Ireland in a positive light in areas such as trade, tourism and foreign relations. Also he is the first person in Presidential history to return an underspend of his budget to the exchequer of 240k. He also has sanctioned a further cost saving for all areas in Áras to ensure we get the best value.

The House eviction. Love this one. So 6 college students in a house in galway that belonged to Michael and his wife which they purchased when he entered Áras as he had no other home. Now when the lease ended in June, when College finished, he agreed with no additional income to extend it so that they can hang around galway. Now, due to a tax break the property needed to be sold so he told the students (who all had family homes and were paying no rent to stay there) that he needs the property as agreed. This turned into students evicted from apartment block to greed Michael.

2nd term, he wanted to complete financial savings, popular opinion wanted him and his health had improved.

Archeron

Jean Byrne

joeguevara

freshpopcorn wrote: »

The teacher?

One of the best 2nd rows we ever had who’d smoke two fags from the dressing to the pitch.

gypsy79

joeguevara wrote: »

Widely reported. Can you show me one report? I love that word allegedly and then widely reported. It’s very strange that Heathers family never once had a bad word to say about him and how much he adored her.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/woman/celeb-news/clarkes-love-split-caused-by-girlfriends-extravagant-lifestyle-26283183.html

That’s the first link. There was way more in depth views. He was forced pre potentially winning sports personality

You can goigle if you like to see the tabloid view. And I know some journalists who say it is the tip

freshpopcorn

joeguevara wrote: »

One of the best 2nd rows we ever had who’d smoke two fags from the dressing to the pitch.

Still sounds like the teacher! :pac:

joeguevara

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Still sounds like the teacher! :pac:

He used to own a lint shop in Kilkenny.

seamusk84

Anyone at Simon Delaney yet?

Genuine Irish man. He’s a breadth of fresh air on weekend mornings.

gypsy79

seamusk84 wrote: »

Anyone at Simon Delaney yet?

Genuine Irish man. He’s a breadth of fresh air on weekend mornings.

Rovers loving scum

8-10

Well that escalated quickly.

The only real way of judging this should be which name takes the longest for a boards poster to come in and point out they're a dick

How about...Gay Byrne?

joeguevara

gypsy79 wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/woman/celeb-news/clarkes-love-split-caused-by-girlfriends-extravagant-lifestyle-26283183.html

That’s the first link. There was way more in depth views. He was forced pre potentially winning sports personality

You can goigle if you like to see the tabloid view. And I know some journalists who say it is the tip

Did you read the link. He split up with his girlfriend. But he only started seeing her 4 months after his wife’s death. He realised it was too soon and realised it was too painful on him and his kids. You said he was cheating while his wife was dying which even in the link you provided says they started a relationship 4 months after her death.

So while a grieving man was trying to get in with life, was looking after his kids single handedly, became close to a friend all after the death of his beloved wife is evidence of him being a despicable person. And proof of all this, the BBC decide to not give sports person of the year to the face and heart of a Ryder Cup Winning team but gave it instead to a bucktooth privileged toff who won gold in a 3 day eventing world championship that hadn’t anywhere near the standards of the Olympics which would make sense. But she did emulate her mother Princess Royal in winning.

In contrast Clarke after holing an amazing 16th green, broke down in tears as he had promised his wife he’d win it. Crowds from both teams embraced him while crying. He said he knew he couldn’t keep crying for himself and his children’s sake and vowed to try and rebuild his life. Yeah despicable man.

gypsy79

joeguevara wrote: »

Did you read the link. He split up with his girlfriend. But he only started seeing her 4 months after his wife’s death. He realised it was too soon and realised it was too painful on him and his kids. You said he was cheating while his wife was dying which even in the link you provided says they started a relationship 4 months after her death.

So while a grieving man was trying to get in with life, was looking after his kids single handedly, became close to a friend all after the death of his beloved wife is evidence of him being a despicable person. And proof of all this, the BBC decide to not give sports person of the year to the face and heart of a Ryder Cup Winning team but gave it instead to a bucktooth privileged toff who won gold in a 3 day eventing world championship that hadn’t anywhere near the standards of the Olympics which would make sense. But she did emulate her mother Princess Royal in winning.

In contrast Clarke after holing an amazing 16th green, broke down in tears as he had promised his wife he’d win it. Crowds from both teams embraced him while crying. He said he knew he couldn’t keep crying for himself and his children’s sake and vowed to try and rebuild his life. Yeah despicable man.

I am not going to argue with you. You aren’t for changing. You won’t even dig. .

But there were accusations And insinuating articles all over place.

And I have been told stories that were afraid to report.

Believe what you like buddy.

Muahahaha

Edgware wrote: »

Very impressive memorials to both Joey and Robert Dunlop in Ballymoney. Well worth visiting if in Antrim.

Joey Dunlop was universally loved, especially up north where motorbike racing is a way of life and he has a god like status within that community. His funeral had over 50,000 people in attendance which says it all.

One thing though about Joey was the utter humbleness of the man. Not only was he one of the worlds best motorcycle racers winning trophies and titles all over the place he was also a humanitarian with a huge sense of empathy for others. After the fall of the Ceauceau regime in Romania he heard the reports of starving Romanian children in orphanages. It moved him so much that in the following winter he filled up his transit van with childrens toys, blankets, food, nappies and clothes and got the ferry to Scotland then another one to Holland and then drove right across Germany and through eastern Europe all the way to Romania to distribute everything he had to children in the orphanages.

He kept making these trips in the winter when the motorcycle racing season was finished. In following years he expanded his operation even further from Romania and began distributing to orphanages in Bosnia and also as far down south as Albania. Bosnia was in a full scale civil war at the time and he was risking his own life even being there but there was Joey just carrying on through a war zone in his van distributing clothes, toys and food to unwanted children in orphanages.

He did all this on his own and never wanted any attention or credit for it. It became an annual trip for him and he would barely tell anyone what he was doing and where he was going. At the time only his wife and a few close friends knew what he was doing and even in later years he wouldnt talk about it to journalists who asked. It was just a private thing for him, he was so moved by the desperate conditions in these orphanages that he had to just keep going and going trying to help them. He was an absolute legend on the racetrack but equally off it he was a giant of a man who always remained grounded and humble.

joeguevara

gypsy79 wrote: »

I am not going to argue with you. You aren’t for changing. You won’t even dig. .

But there were accusations And insinuating articles all over place.

And I have been told stories that were afraid to report.

Believe what you like buddy.

Honestly I hope it’s not true but if it was I’d have to reconsider. I’m not one of these people entrenched in a view and stonewall everything (except when someone says Phil Lynott is regarded as British), I was pulling the p1ss saying Martin sheen was Irish (but his Tipperary mother and uncle is true). But I couldn’t find any articles and even checked to see if Heathers family had said anything after. But they are so complimentary. But i would never believe the British gutter press Denigrating an Irish hero especially as at the time it was controlled by Max Clifford, best friend of Prince Andrew....and guess what because of those accusations Zara wins the trophy. Couldn’t have written it better myself.

Capt'n Midnight

joeguevara wrote: »

Wasn’t Jesus Irish. He was 33, a virgin and still living with his mother.

And he thought his mother had never sinned and she though the was the son of God.

Checks out....


...except for the three wise men.

Dyr

Dermot Morgan is the clear winner I think

Rory Gallagher coming in second

Joey Dunlop probably third


Never hear a bad word about them (for viewers in NI, so you don't)

Of course they've all gone off to their eternal reward now so are even more loved.

golfball37

Muahahaha wrote: »

Joey Dunlop was universally loved, especially up north where motorbike racing is a way of life and he has a god like status within that community. His funeral had over 50,000 people in attendance which says it all.

One thing though about Joey was the utter humbleness of the man. Not only was he one of the worlds best motorcycle racers winning trophies and titles all over the place he was also a humanitarian with a huge sense of empathy for others. After the fall of the Ceauceau regime in Romania he heard the reports of starving Romanian children in orphanages. It moved him so much that in the following winter he filled up his transit van with childrens toys, blankets, food, nappies and clothes and got the ferry to Scotland then another one to Holland and then drove right across Germany and through eastern Europe all the way to Romania to distribute everything he had to children in the orphanages.

He kept making these trips in the winter when the motorcycle racing season was finished. In following years he expanded his operation even further from Romania and began distributing to orphanages in Bosnia and also as far down south as Albania. Bosnia was in a full scale civil war at the time and he was risking his own life even being there but there was Joey just carrying on through a war zone in his van distributing clothes, toys and food to unwanted children in orphanages.

He did all this on his own and never wanted any attention or credit for it. It became an annual trip for him and he would barely tell anyone what he was doing and where he was going. At the time only his wife and a few close friends knew what he was doing and even in later years he wouldnt talk about it to journalists who asked. It was just a private thing for him, he was so moved by the desperate conditions in these orphanages that he had to just keep going and going trying to help them. He was an absolute legend on the racetrack but equally off it he was a giant of a man who always remained grounded and humble.

News of Joey Dunlop’s death was announced at half time in Clones at that years Ulster final. There was a collective gasp and then silence throughout the whole crowd as though a family member had died. When in a place like NI you can be that universally loved and respected by both communities it says everything.

golfball37

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

And he thought his mother had never sinned and she though the was the son of God.

Checks out....


...except for the three wise men.

They came from a foreign land in the east so entirely possible

Kerry25x

Has Louis Walsh been mentioned already?

Edgware

Muahahaha wrote: »

Joey Dunlop was universally loved, especially up north where motorbike racing is a way of life and he has a god like status within that community. His funeral had over 50,000 people in attendance which says it all.

One thing though about Joey was the utter humbleness of the man. Not only was he one of the worlds best motorcycle racers winning trophies and titles all over the place he was also a humanitarian with a huge sense of empathy for others. After the fall of the Ceauceau regime in Romania he heard the reports of starving Romanian children in orphanages. It moved him so much that in the following winter he filled up his transit van with childrens toys, blankets, food, nappies and clothes and got the ferry to Scotland then another one to Holland and then drove right across Germany and through eastern Europe all the way to Romania to distribute everything he had to children in the orphanages.

He kept making these trips in the winter when the motorcycle racing season was finished. In following years he expanded his operation even further from Romania and began distributing to orphanages in Bosnia and also as far down south as Albania. Bosnia was in a full scale civil war at the time and he was risking his own life even being there but there was Joey just carrying on through a war zone in his van distributing clothes, toys and food to unwanted children in orphanages.

He did all this on his own and never wanted any attention or credit for it. It became an annual trip for him and he would barely tell anyone what he was doing and where he was going. At the time only his wife and a few close friends knew what he was doing and even in later years he wouldnt talk about it to journalists who asked. It was just a private thing for him, he was so moved by the desperate conditions in these orphanages that he had to just keep going and going trying to help them. He was an absolute legend on the racetrack but equally off it he was a giant of a man who always remained grounded and humble.

I was doing collections of material in Ballyclare and was getting a luke warm enough reception but when I started asking about Joey and where I could go to see his memorial people's attitude changed completely. They couldnt believe how much respect he was held in by people down south without going into the north south ****e the soccer crew are obsessed about

Edgware

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

And he thought his mother had never sinned and she though the was the son of God.

Checks out....


...except for the three wise men.

And his father worked on the buildings

joeguevara

Edgware wrote: »

I was doing collections of material in Ballyclare and was getting a luke warm enough reception but when I started asking about Joey and where I could go to see his memorial people's attitude changed completely. They couldnt believe how much respect he was held in by people down south without going into the north south ****e the soccer crew are obsessed about

I think the motorcycle community are just so close and travel to all the competitions. Also it’s a brotherhood that’s always there to help each other. I always think one of the main reasons is that while the riders are experts is one of the most dangerous sports so when riders compete petty things like religion, creed etc are not relevant. Also the whole Dunlop families were so generous to charities, to team mates, helping all the time. Everyone was world class and what a heartbreaking loss to them and everyone. As a kid i adores the Isle of Man TT and played the amstrad computer game constantly pretending i was Joey. Fair play to who mentioned both as they are people who wouldn’t have crossed my mind but couldn’t think of two more revered men.

bureau2009

The Nolans.

DangerScouse

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I was going to include George Best but he acted the bollix after he got the liver transplant when it could have been given to someone who really needed it.

After he got his liver?? He was a bollox, end of story.

bobbyy gee

Edgware wrote: »

And his father worked on the buildings

that was not his real father as his mother was a virgin

joeguevara

DangerScouse wrote: »

After he got his liver?? He was a bollox, end of story.

You are right. He not only abused his own liver, he had no consideration for the donated one. He was a womaniser and selfish. However he was also without doubt one of the best footballers the world has or will ever see. A good few of the people mentioned while ultra talented were also incredibly flawed with addiction issues and hurt those closest. When is it acceptable to disregard the fact that you see someone slowly hurting themselves and those around them but wowing the world and then when do you finally draw the line and say no, fcuck off. Elvis (I know not Irish) is a great example.

Edgware

bobbyy gee wrote: »

that was not his real father as his mother was a virgin

So he didnt know who his real father was?
That would be about right for a lot of the scrotes going around Ireland nowadays

joeguevara

Edgware wrote: »

So he didnt know who his real father was?
That would be about right for a lot of the scrotes going around Ireland nowadays

He got soccer trials as well. All was going great until he went up for the cross and the Romans nailed him. Also a very brief career as a goalie but definitely not suited,

Beechwoodspark

Just to give a bit of input on some names mentioned

Paul McGrath. Very popular but not universally loved.

As I said on another thread lately I was fairly shaken to hear harsh racist comments from ppl in a city centre dublin pub in mid 90s when He was playing on tv - and comments that he “isn’t Irish anyway”.

Just on Michael d Higgens I know LOADS of ppl who can’t stand him so he’s far from universally popular.

Lot of ppl think he’s full of sh1t and a complete hypocrite and Champagne socialist type

On Michael Muireachtaigh I would say he’s closer to being universally loved but Even with him I’ve heard a few put downs over the years. People saying he is very self righteous and “up his own ass”.

Same with gay Byrne. Popular but lots of ppl thought he was a sneering snobbish condescending bollix.

Christy Moore another popular choice but I’ve heard ppl say he was a NIGHTMARE when he was drinking - angry foul mouthed ignorant type. Ppl in Kildare where I am located have a long memory of his boorish behaviour.

Bono - not a hope of being universally loved. Ppl seem to nurse a special hatred/begrudgery for him

Irish ppl can be a fairly harsh judge!

Edit - someone I’d nominate would be the man who played Miley Byrne in Glenroe - Mick Lally.

whisky_galore

bureau2009 wrote: »

Maureen Potter.

Joe Dolan.

Maureen was part of the shouty theatre set from RTE early days. The jokes weren't funny even back then.

Joe had a certain cool in his latter years to be fair.

Beechwoodspark

whisky_galore wrote: »

Maureen was part of the shouty theatre set from RTE early days. The jokes weren't funny even back then.

Joe had a certain cool in his latter years to be fair.

Any time I saw potter on old RTÉ clips it’s like she thinks she’s in a pantomime or something from around the 1920s and doesn’t understand there’s no need to roar and shout due to studio “microphones”

.anon.

karlitob wrote: »

I’d say you’re a hoot at parties.

I actually am.

karlitob wrote:

Must be hard to be self-righteous all the time.

It actually isn't.

joeguevara

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Just to give a bit of input on some names mentioned

Paul McGrath. Very popular but not universally loved.

As I said on another thread lately I was fairly shaken to hear harsh racist comments from ppl in a city centre dublin pub in mid 90s when He was playing on tv - and comments that he “isn’t Irish anyway”.

Just on Michael d Higgens I know LOADS of ppl who can’t stand him so he’s far from universally popular.

Lot of ppl think he’s full of sh1t and a complete hypocrite and Champagne socialist type

On Michael Muireachtaigh I would say he’s closer to being universally loved but Even with him I’ve heard a few put downs over the years. People saying he is very self righteous and “up his own ass”.

Same with gay Byrne. Popular but lots of ppl thought he was a sneering snobbish condescending bollix.

Christy Moore another popular choice but I’ve heard ppl say he was a NIGHTMARE when he was drinking - angry foul mouthed ignorant type. Ppl in Kildare where I am located have a long memory of his boorish behaviour.

Bono - not a hope of being universally loved. Ppl seem to nurse a special hatred/begrudgery for him

Irish ppl can be a fairly harsh judge!

Edit - someone I’d nominate would be the man who played Miley Byrne in Glenroe - Mick Lally.

After his affair with Fidelma and poor Biddy crying. He did hit number 1 in Ireland though with broad to glen roe which was part of a talent show in the show https://youtu.be/mOpDtHr4f5c

He was a great stage actor and was sorely missed when died too young. dinny was also loved with his fake limp.

Even though the music meant weekend over and school in the morning.

Beechwoodspark

We can count out the 2 Mary’s mcaleese and Robinson too

Far from universally loved.

whisky_galore

palmcut wrote: »

Charles Stewart Parnell.

Richard Piggott and eventually Holy Catlick Ireland turned on him.

irishguitarlad

Paddy Losty.

joeguevara

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

We can count out the 2 Mary’s mcaleese and Robinson too

Far from universally loved.

It is interesting to see how different people have widely differing opinions on the same person. It is also interesting that people from different age groups have their views tempered based on the time that they would have known the person. It is definitely news to me how people see Michael D but maybe not intentionally his role as president is interpreted differently. When he signs a controversial piece of legislation into Law, there is widespread condemnation of facilitation of the actions of the party in power and if he was left leaning as he espouses he would have rejected it. However the powers to reject said legislation is only of how it was drafted and negotiated was unconstitutional rather than whether the content was in line with his views.

Other people mentioned i would never have heard of before and I was looking them up as I read.

The people that seemed to be resoundingly accepted as meeting the Mark were the Dunlop brothers. And Dermot Morgan. But if asked in the 80s might have had a different answer as his satire on politicians would have been hated by a lot of the staunch supporters.

Rubberchikken

I don't like imelda may or her music. Talentless.
Micheal o muircheairtaigh doesn't impress me either.

Guess there's no one that lives up to my opinion.

joeguevara

Another thing that is very interesting is I don’t remember seeing any GAA or Hurling player (maybe Christy Ring) when they have given so many Irish people the best times of their lives. Rivalries aside surely there are some that transcend parochial feeling to be seen for the heroes they are. Mick O Connell, Jimmy Barry, Pat Fox, DJ, sheflin, etc but none mentioned.

whisky_galore

Mad_maxx wrote: »

PK is very good but no one has ever come close to Gay Byrne as a broadcaster , pure natural

he let himself down badly with Annie Murphy however , perhaps being of the generation who grew up revering the church , influenced his obnoxiousness ?

no excuse though

Bishop Casey with his fellow hypocrite Fr Cleary were like some kind of religious rock stars who couldn't do any wrong in the 70s and 80s, the warm up act for JPII and insanely popular for a long time afterwards. GB set up AM as the villain of the EC saga, shameful stuff.

Beechwoodspark

In terms of sport I’ve heard very critical comments on the following “legends”

Brian o Driscoll
Paul o Connell
Ronan o gara
Rory mcilroy
Conor mcgregor
Roy keane
Robbie keane

Maybe Barry mcguigan might make the list? Quite popular still

Beechwoodspark

joeguevara wrote: »

Robbie Keane hasn’t been mentioned and he is our most successful international football with a goal tally that probably won’t be beaten. That goal he scored against Germany in the last minute in the WC in 2002 still makes me feel on top of the world.

He scored 68 international goals. He also had an amazing club career playing for teams like Inter, Liverpool Spurs (twice) and Celtic to name but a few. He married his childhood sweetheart who is such a down to earth and beautiful. He does so much for where he grew up and is a great ambassador.

Don’t know why but the tribute Dimatar Berbatov gave him when he was inducted into the Irish Sports Star Hall of Fame made me emotional

https://youtu.be/E3Szbn19OJs

And who can forget bringing the spurs team to coppers for their Christmas party telling rednapp they were only playing golf.

Legend.

FAR from universally popular tho which is what this thread is concerned with

joeguevara

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

FAR from universally popular tho which is what this thread is concerned with

I’m taking it as universally (and I’m interpreting that as vast majority) in Ireland and not anywhere else. If a person has no real opinion as they don’t know anything, doesn’t really effect it.

Now, who wouldn’t love Robbie. He is one of our true worldclass professional sports stars who is down to earth, a good family man and proud of his roots and community,

appledrop

joeguevara wrote: »

I’m taking it as universally (and I’m interpreting that as vast majority) in Ireland and not anywhere else. If a person has no real opinion as they don’t know anything, doesn’t really effect it.

Now, who wouldn’t love Robbie. He is one of our true worldclass professional sports stars who is down to earth, a good family man and proud of his roots and community,

I can tell you who doesnt love him me + all the other families who had to put up with him + his family once at a 'public event' . The word obnoxious springs to mind.