Are there any universally loved Irish people

Truthvader · 06-09-2020 7:16pm

joeguevara wrote: »

What demographic has this new view of Michael D Higgins. He is probably the most loved President in my lifetime and I’m going back to Patrick Hillary.

He is a believer in social justice but also follows through and includes students and young people from socially deprived areas when other politicians and advocates pay lip service.

Every speech he makes is a piece of art which includes literary references, educational references and examples to bring it to real life so people can understand it.

He is a Gaelgoir and is constantly promoting our native language while others deride it.

He has been part of major steps forward in inclusion in our country and not hid behind red tape. For example when the same s3x marriage was voted through by 1.2 million people, he signed it into law, not on a whim but knowledge even where people with no legal basis or case tried to delay or rescind with no other reason but hate.

To say he changes his voice is crazy. He’s sounded the same his whole life. He also treats dignitaries and less fortunate as equals and never allows pomp to trump human life.

And when you saw him shaking hands with the Irish Rugby Team dwarfed beside Devin Toner, you cant not love him.

For "promoting our native language" alone he is out. Its not my native language and I suffered endlessly in school having it rammed down my throat by mad people.

Now a huge waste of time and money. Fair enough if your into it but leave the rest of us alone.

IAMAMORON · 06-09-2020 7:18pm

Pat Shortt , I said it first.

OMM 0000 · 06-09-2020 7:19pm

Loveinapril wrote: »

Imelda May seems pretty sound. I don't know anyone who doesn't like her.

She's not a very good songwriter but people pretend she's amazing. This causes me to find her kind of annoying...

I'm not saying she's a bad person.

joeguevara · 06-09-2020 7:21pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Pat Shortt , I said it first.

Legend. And John Kenny.

bureau2009 · 06-09-2020 7:22pm

Mary Kennedy.

Sam Hain · 06-09-2020 7:26pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Edit - someone I’d nominate would be the man who played Miley Byrne in Glenroe - Mick Lally.

Dinny wept.

joeguevara · 06-09-2020 7:27pm

Truthvader wrote: »

For "promoting our native language" alone he is out. Its not my native language and I suffered endlessly in school having it rammed down my throat by mad people.

Now a huge waste of time and money. Fair enough if your into it but leave the rest of us alone.

If you were cooked a fillet steak badly you hate the chef not the steak.

Honestly if you are Irish, you have no choice but accepting Irish is our native language as its recognised as such in our constitution. If you don’t recognise the constitution then i don’t count you. And promotion of our culture while integrating others is paramount.

joeguevara · 06-09-2020 7:28pm

Sam Hain wrote: »

Dinny wept.

Well holy God.

joeguevara · 06-09-2020 7:30pm

Johnny Logan for Hold me Now alone. And mcgettigan and Harrington for Rock and Roll Kids. Another time when we were the best in the world.

LeBash · 06-09-2020 7:31pm

.anon. wrote: »

https://twitter.com/NoContextDunphy/status/1198231856677838848

Dunphy is only a shock jock. Wouldnt listen to a word he has to say when he is on that football panel.

bureau2009 · 06-09-2020 7:50pm

joeguevara wrote: »

Johnny Logan for Hold me Now alone. And mcgettigan and Harrington for Rock and Roll Kids. Another time when we were the best in the world.

And Niamh Kavanagh for being world class in Millstreet.

joeguevara · 06-09-2020 7:58pm

bureau2009 wrote: »

And Niamh Kavanagh for being world class in Millstreet.

Never knew she was in the commitments.

I know the guy isn’t Irish and I know he polarises opinion but the first performance of river dance on Eurovision (rock and roll kids year) was the most amazing spectacle I think definitely Irish television if not Europe had ever seen.

jmayo · 06-09-2020 8:00pm

.anon. wrote: »

She's a woman though, so you can be guaranteed there'll be lads on Boards who don't like her.

What a load of shyte.

joeguevara wrote: »

Is there a list of acceptable accents before we look at achievements such as Olympic gold medal and undisputed champion of the world holding all belts, never done by anyone. And even though I hate religion, I never formed an opinion based on someone having a personal faith.

It is not the accent it is the voice.
It is kinda grating.

endacl wrote: »

Bosco

Now there was one irritating fooking voice.
Should have strangled the fecker doing it.

Dav010 wrote: »

I’ve met Clarke a number of times, he is a bit of a twat.

I would put him up there with that other Northern success Van Morrison.
Talented but can be obnoxious.

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

I see. And can you tell me where he was born?

Sheen is yet another one from a pretty illustrious list pretty talented and successful ones with at least one Irish parent i.e. Johnny Marr, Morrisey, Noel & Liam Gallagher, Mike Oldfield, The Nolans.

BTW the fianna failers hero Dev was born in New York so also a Yank.
James Connolly who died for Ireland was born in Scotland.

Muahahaha wrote: »

Joey Dunlop was universally loved, especially up north where motorbike racing is a way of life and he has a god like status within that community. His funeral had over 50,000 people in attendance which says it all.
....

Once met a guy in Latvia and the first thing he said to me when he found out I was Irish was that he raced against Joey Dunlop when he raced in the Baltic states. Don't think it was the actual race in Taillinn.

irishblessing · 06-09-2020 8:01pm

Bono. What's not to love?

joeguevara · 06-09-2020 8:03pm

irishblessing wrote: »

Bono. What's not to love?

That stupid song with Cher. I got you babe.

irishblessing · 06-09-2020 8:05pm

joeguevara wrote: »

That stupid song with Cher. I got you babe.

Never heard that one :pac:

joeguevara · 06-09-2020 8:08pm

irishblessing wrote: »

Never heard that one :pac:

Best first dance for a wedding song ever is ‘still haven’t found what I’m looking for’

pimpmyhat · 06-09-2020 8:09pm

Gerald Fleming - weather man
And a very good night to ya

joeguevara · 06-09-2020 8:13pm

I loved Derek Davis doing the charades game show. Twink was one captain and Dave fanning was the other i think. Jaysus irish tv was atrocious.

ShamNNspace · 06-09-2020 8:15pm

joeguevara wrote: »

Phil Lynott was no more English than Winston Churchill played Junior B for Upper Church. If i was born in an airplane does that make me a cloud. Phil Lynott born to an Irish mother was one of the proudest Irishmen that ever lived. No way is his pride, roots and love of this country going to be revised, to say he was English, a place that provided the most horrific memories, where he was in an horrific nun orphanage. At the age of 4 he pleaded and pleaded to be allowed stay with his Grandmother in Ireland. He wrote the Song Sarah about her and how she saved him. Everywhere he went he promoted his Irishness and we were proud of him. To flippantly say he is English, is either to be controversial for the sake of it or just no idea.

And by the way at the time, a child born to an Irish Mother when she was unmarried, no matter if outside Ireland automatically granted him Irish citizenship.

Not disagreeing with anything else you wrote but I allways thought Sarah was wrote for Phils daughter, maybe I've been wrong all these years

joeguevara · 06-09-2020 8:19pm

ShamNNspace wrote: »

Not disagreeing with anything else you wrote but I allways thought Sarah was wrote for Phils daughter, maybe I've been wrong all these years

This is where my love of Phil shows. Two songs called Sarah. Grandmother song is on second album.

irishblessing · 06-09-2020 8:21pm

joeguevara wrote: »

Best first dance for a wedding song ever is ‘still haven’t found what I’m looking for’

hahaha thanks for the laugh :pac:

Or highway to hell, ha

KaneToad · 06-09-2020 8:22pm

joeguevara wrote: »

Never knew she was in the commitments.

I know the guy isn’t Irish and I know he polarises opinion but the first performance of river dance on Eurovision (rock and roll kids year) was the most amazing spectacle I think definitely Irish television if not Europe had ever seen.

I don't think she was in it. Just her voice singing on some of the tracks.

Ekerot · 06-09-2020 8:22pm

Liam Neeson?

ShamNNspace · 06-09-2020 8:23pm

joeguevara wrote: »

This is where my love of Phil shows. Two songs called Sarah. Grandmother song is on second album.

Great stuff we learn something new every day I will look it up thanks

joeguevara · 06-09-2020 8:24pm

irishblessing wrote: »

hahaha thanks for the laugh :pac:

Or highway to hell, ha

This is the aisle song when best man....she’s my best friends girl, but she could have been mine. There is a comedy sketch somewhere on tnis

joeguevara · 06-09-2020 8:24pm

ShamNNspace wrote: »

Great stuff we learn something new every day I will look it up thanks

An Englishman would never write two songs with the same title.

Ash.J.Williams · 06-09-2020 8:24pm

Loveinapril wrote: »

Imelda May seems pretty sound. I don't know anyone who doesn't like her.

Me

Galwayguy35 · 06-09-2020 8:28pm

Haven't seen Michael Collins on the thread yet but I think he is worth a mention.

Ash.J.Williams · 06-09-2020 8:28pm

joeguevara wrote: »

Another thing that is very interesting is I don’t remember seeing any GAA or Hurling player (maybe Christy Ring) when they have given so many Irish people the best times of their lives. Rivalries aside surely there are some that transcend parochial feeling to be seen for the heroes they are. Mick O Connell, Jimmy Barry, Pat Fox, DJ, sheflin, etc but none mentioned.

I grew up in the centre of the gaa and lived my adult life outside it. Gaa love their own but they can really annoy people outside the fence

omega42 · 06-09-2020 8:29pm

Jim Corr

Ash.J.Williams · 06-09-2020 8:32pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Just to give a bit of input on some names mentioned

Paul McGrath. Very popular but not universally loved.

As I said on another thread lately I was fairly shaken to hear harsh racist comments from ppl in a city centre dublin pub in mid 90s when He was playing on tv - and comments that he “isn’t Irish anyway”.

Just on Michael d Higgens I know LOADS of ppl who can’t stand him so he’s far from universally popular.

Lot of ppl think he’s full of sh1t and a complete hypocrite and Champagne socialist type

On Michael Muireachtaigh I would say he’s closer to being universally loved but Even with him I’ve heard a few put downs over the years. People saying he is very self righteous and “up his own ass”.

Same with gay Byrne. Popular but lots of ppl thought he was a sneering snobbish condescending bollix.

Christy Moore another popular choice but I’ve heard ppl say he was a NIGHTMARE when he was drinking - angry foul mouthed ignorant type. Ppl in Kildare where I am located have a long memory of his boorish behaviour.

Bono - not a hope of being universally loved. Ppl seem to nurse a special hatred/begrudgery for him

Irish ppl can be a fairly harsh judge!

Edit - someone I’d nominate would be the man who played Miley Byrne in Glenroe - Mick Lally.

I was at a book launch where the guest was Micheál o muireachtaigh and forgot to discuss the author and the book

Ash.J.Williams · 06-09-2020 8:33pm

Don cockburn /end of discussion

joeguevara · 06-09-2020 8:34pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

I grew up in the centre of the gaa and lived my adult life outside it. Gaa love their own but they can really annoy people outside the fence

Id understand someone like John leahy or davy fitz but someone like mikey sheehy or Mickey Mackey surely transcend rivalries (picked at random) as I wanted nicky English and Brendan Cummins. But I suppose by very nature they can heap misery on your team

AndrewJRenko · 06-09-2020 8:34pm

joeguevara wrote: »

Johnny Logan for Hold me Now alone.

What's Another Year was a better song, in fairness. Bonus points for Johnny for taking a swipe at Dickie Rock recently.

Ash.J.Williams · 06-09-2020 8:36pm

Rory Gallagher

Ash.J.Williams · 06-09-2020 8:40pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Barry McGuigan seemed sound, I know he became a Brit but sure nobody is perfect.

I like Barry , I feel his business is being hit by all the drug money the Kinahans are throwing at fighters these days, easy money. Frampton jumped to mtk recently.

Ash.J.Williams · 06-09-2020 8:40pm

Kerry25x wrote: »

I think Saorise Ronan deserves a mention as well, very talented and seems to represent Ireland very well in any interviews I've seen her in.

Love her

joeguevara · 06-09-2020 8:44pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

I like Barry , I feel his business is being hit by all the drug money the Kinahans are throwing at fighters these days, easy money. Frampton jumped to mtk recently.

And spread horrible rumours under direction that Harry had ripped him off. Couple that with the death of his daughter it’s amazing how he coped. He did a amazing interview last week calling out the effects of organised crime on boxing and how it needed to stop. So many professionals congratulated him for his courage and honesty. Until Sky Sports released a promotional ad with new addition of MTK logo in bottom corner.

In the 80s when nothing was good and even as a kid could see everyone happy but broke, him winning the world title and showing that Ireland has amazing people was a breath of fresh air.

Then even better Dermot Morgan hit number one with a parody of him thanking mr Eastwood. Good times

https://youtu.be/yHxrDcAjf60

whisky_galore · 06-09-2020 8:46pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Haven't seen Michael Collins on the thread yet but I think he is worth a mention.

Civil War?
Someone shot him, in his own county?
Hardly universally popular.

Galwayguy35 · 06-09-2020 8:50pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

Civil War?
Someone shot him, in his own county?
Hardly universally popular.

There isn't a person mentioned so far who is popular for everyone but I think he would be as popular with many Irish people as some of the fcuktards listed previously.

Hamsterchops · 06-09-2020 8:53pm

joeguevara wrote: »

If you were cooked a fillet steak badly you hate the chef not the steak.

Honestly if you are Irish, you have no choice but accepting Irish is our native language as its recognised as such in our constitution. If you don’t recognise the constitution then i don’t count you. And promotion of our culture while integrating others is paramount.

The Irish language was given the distinction of being our "first official language" shortly after the foundation of the state, but it's not really our native language, although it was to many of our forbears, two hundred years ago .....

Our native tongue is English (Hiberno English).

MICHAEL O'LEARY

joeguevara · 06-09-2020 9:05pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

The Irish language was given the distinction of being our "first official language" shortly after the foundation of the state, but it's not really our native language, although it was to many of our forbears, two hundred years ago .....

Our native tongue is English (Hiberno English).

MICHAEL O'LEARY

As I said it is our national language and our first official language. Now it’s not our spoken language, our native language (most predominant language in area) and that is fine and a huge advantage for Ireland. But the issue was a poster saying irish was not his national language and had an issue with the president promoting it. I am not in any way a shinner but I am proud of our culture and anything we can do to ensure that we don’t lose it while integrating everything else is important to me. Also, I’m a fluent speaker from my father but I know so many people who have learned irish as adults. Also our culture includes legends and music etc.

Dammo · 06-09-2020 9:05pm

Bambi wrote: »

Dermot Morgan is the clear winner I think

Rory Gallagher coming in second

Joey Dunlop probably third

Never hear a bad word about them (for viewers in NI, so you don't)

Of course they've all gone off to their eternal reward now so are even more loved.

Rory Gallagher is not second in anything