Are there any universally loved Irish people

Beechwoodspark

8-10 wrote: »

I'm sure there's plenty who played against him who would disagree. Phenomenal player but fierce tackler

In the 70s and years on his reputation was as a sly cynical and sneaky dirty player

Himself and bremner (some would say all of the Leeds team)

joeguevara

Just figured it out the OP is most loved daytime quizmaster Henry Kelly and he’s developing a new quiz to rival pointless based on arguments on Irish heroes.

Well played Henry. well played

Beechwoodspark

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

I was at a book launch where the guest was Micheál o muireachtaigh and forgot to discuss the author and the book

You mean he forgot to mention the book and the author? Too busy talking about himself?

dxhound2005

joeguevara wrote: »

Just figured it out the OP is most loved daytime quizmaster Henry Kelly and he’s developing a new quiz to rival pointless based on arguments on Irish heroes.

Well played Henry. well played

After Hours should do a knockout competition between the nominations. Like they did for biscuits. Last man or woman standing wins.

joeguevara

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

You mean he forgot to mention the book and the author? Too busy talking about himself?

Wouldn’t be that uncommon, especially if he is a paid guest and author isnt well known He brings the crowd to listen to him and then the author can read a chapter and sell to captive audience. Then the crowd will be telling all asunder about the Great stories Micheál said. When asked what it was for mention book.

IAMAMORON

dxhound2005 wrote: »

After Hours should do a knockout competition between the nominations. Like they did for biscuits. Last man or woman standing wins.

I am pretty sure they did that a few years ago and Samantha Mumba won it .

BnB

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

Mícheál Ó Muircheartaigh?

Can't stand him, not a GAA head so find his bogger warbling very annoying.

To be fair to Michael, he's never going to be universally loved.

So many people have a massive chip on their shoulder RE the GAA and will always go out of their way to try and talk down anything related to it. The man could be the reincarnation of mother Theresa and one of those gobsh1tes will still come on here and call him a bogger to try and justify their hatred of the GAA.

joeguevara

BnB wrote: »

To be fair to Michael, he's never going to be universally loved.

So many people have a massive chip on their shoulder RE the GAA and will always go out of their way to try and talk down anything related to it. The man could be the reincarnation of mother Theresa and one of those gobsh1tes will still come on here and call him a bogger to try and justify their hatred of the GAA.

Hold on a second, mother Teresa is probably as close to the devil incarnate as possible. The fact that she caused so much suffering and is now up for sainthood is crazy. Never thought anyone could not love Micheál though.

Strumms

stephenl15 wrote: »

Bill O'Herlihy. I would be very surprised if anyone disagreed.

He was insanely talented. Every other tv channel, you or at least i sit down to watch a match and it’s the match, what’s said or goes on at half time is only the backdrop to pouring a diet coke and checking WhatsApp. With Eamonn, Johnny, Liam and whoever else... with Bill as the ringleader, master of ceremonies and pot stirrer, puppet master extraordinaire we got a show that was intelligent, competitive, combative, insightful and at times humorous. Bill led that charge to make it good... Lineker and co earning about four times couldn’t lace his boots.

Without Bill it’s blandsville. Darragh Moloney, Peter Collins, nice enough lads but the fire and skill is gone... gone from hanging on every word and eyebrow raise and grenade lobbing you are hanging out by the fridge...waiting for kick off. Bill made being the anchor of a football TV show into an art form....

joeguevara

Strumms wrote: »

He was insanely talented. Every other tv channel, you or at least i sit down to watch a match and it’s the match, what’s said or goes on at half time is only the backdrop to pouring a diet coke and checking WhatsApp. With Eamonn, Johnny, Liam and whoever else... with Bill as the ringleader, master of ceremonies and pot stirrer, puppet master extraordinaire we got a show that was intelligent, competitive, combative, insightful and at times humorous. Bill led that charge to make it good... Lineker and co earning about four times couldn’t lace his boots.

Without Bill it’s blandsville. Darragh Moloney, Peter Collins, nice enough lads but the fire and skill is gone... gone from hanging on every word and eyebrow raise and grenade lobbing you are hanging out by the fridge...waiting for kick off. Bill made being the anchor of a football TV show into an art form....

Liam was insanely talented as a footballer but didn’t like when he joined the panel. Mainly because of his refusal to ever criticise Trapattoni. Whoever decided to team up Bill, Johnny and a Éamon was an evil genius. They were fantastic. Bill knew which buttons to press but was average football knowledge. Johnny Giles is/was a football genius and his knowledge of the game was world class. Éamon loved saying things to wind Johnny up and bill trying to reign them in. It just worked. Nearly didn’t need the apres match parody as they were comedy gold in themselves.

Hamsterchops

8-10 wrote: »

I'm sure there's plenty who played against him who would disagree. Phenomenal player but fierce tackler

Was being a fierce tackler a bad thing?

Muahahaha

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

In terms of sport I’ve heard very critical comments on the following “legends”

Brian o Driscoll
Paul o Connell
Ronan o gara
Rory mcilroy
Conor mcgregor
Roy keane
Robbie keane

Maybe Barry mcguigan might make the list? Quite popular still

From that list Id say very few people dont like Paul o'Connell or Ronan o'Gara. But they're a bit of a charisma free zone.

Dennis Taylor would fit the bill for universally liked.

joeguevara

Muahahaha wrote: »

From that list Id say very few people dont like Paul o'Connell or Ronan o'Gara. But they're a bit of a charisma free zone.

Dennis Taylor would fit the bill for universally liked.

With his unfair sidekick Alex Higgins. Absolutely adored Alex. Even Irish people got a kick when he screamed at Denis Taylor not to come back to Belfast or he’d get him shot. Head butted a ref during a match too.

Ken Doherty was great too. No style like whyte or Ronnie but when his game was in he could beat the best. Winning the crucible was amazing when you realised the talent all around him.

Cienciano

retalivity wrote: »

Daniel O'Donnell
Andrea Corr
The non-Bono people in U2

The Edge is a knobend. Watch the documentary It Might Get Loud. Up his own hole

daheff wrote: »

Johnny Logan

Probably one of the biggest arseholes in the country. He thinks he's up there with John Lennon.

Muahahaha wrote: »

From that list Id say very few people dont like Paul o'Connell or Ronan o'Gara. But they're a bit of a charisma free zone.

Dennis Taylor would fit the bill for universally liked.

I think ROG is a knobend.

joeguevara

Cienciano wrote: »

The Edge is a knobend. Watch the documentary It Might Get Loud. Up his own hole


Probably one of the biggest arseholes in the country. He thinks he's up there with John Lennon.



I think ROG is a knobend.

I’m sure after you said that Johnny Logan would be thinking Why Me, so upset he will be going up to strangers pleading Hold Me Now and wondering if 2021 will be when you soften to him but hey, What’s another Year.

The Edge is also trying to find you but got lost as the streets have no name.

feargale

Arthur Guinness

martingriff

Anyone say Roy Keane, Dennis O'Brien or Larry Goodman

joeguevara

martingriff wrote: »

Anyone say Roy Keane, Dennis O'Brien or Larry Goodman

Ah yeah and the last time I heard that joke i fell off my dinosaur.

YFlyer

golfball37 wrote: »

News of Joey Dunlop’s death was announced at half time in Clones at that years Ulster final. There was a collective gasp and then silence throughout the whole crowd as though a family member had died. When in a place like NI you can be that universally loved and respected by both communities it says everything.

When you said Joey. I just thought of Rory Gallagher as well like.

martingriff

joeguevara wrote: »

Ah yeah and the last time I heard that joke i fell off my dinosaur.

Glad I can help in this Sunday night

CBear1993

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

In terms of sport I’ve heard very critical comments on the following “legends”

Brian o Driscoll
Paul o Connell
Ronan o gara
Rory mcilroy
Conor mcgregor
Roy keane
Robbie keane

Maybe Barry mcguigan might make the list? Quite popular still

Nice piss take there.

Wee Barry the Brit

Strumms

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Don cockburn /end of discussion

The only thing wrong with Don was that he wasn’t called Phil..

Said quickly... “hey, Phil Cockburn” :eek:

El Gato De Negocios

Stephen Roche - im not a cycling fan by any stretch but I vividly remember him winning the TDF in 87, massive deal at the time and I've never heard anyone criticise him, maybe not universally loved but one of those people that most Irish folk of a certain vintage will remember with some sort of fondness/admiration.

joeguevara

martingriff wrote: »

Glad I can help in this Sunday night

Ah was only joking.,was watching step brothers and i was cracking up when I read that

Strumms

joeguevara wrote: »

Liam was insanely talented as a footballer but didn’t like when he joined the panel. Mainly because of his refusal to ever criticise Trapattoni. Whoever decided to team up Bill, Johnny and a Éamon was an evil genius. They were fantastic. Bill knew which buttons to press but was average football knowledge. Johnny Giles is/was a football genius and his knowledge of the game was world class. Éamon loved saying things to wind Johnny up and bill trying to reign them in. It just worked. Nearly didn’t need the apres match parody as they were comedy gold in themselves.

Yeah, from memory though I ‘think’ Brady was a pundit for RTÉ pre Trapp, I’m open to correction on that but his reluctance to criticize Trappatoni meant he was viewed as a pretty disingenuous and pretty average pundit as far as his views and thoughts of that Irish team were concerned. He was being paid public money he owed to impart the public with honest and accurate opinion.

joeguevara

Statutory Ape wrote: »

Stephen Roche - im not a cycling fan by any stretch but I vividly remember him winning the TDF in 87, massive deal at the time and I've never heard anyone criticise him, maybe not universally loved but one of those people that most Irish folk of a certain vintage will remember with some sort of fondness/admiration.

Was such a huge thing. Watched the final stage in a hotel in Waterford. He also won the big world event soon after but was trying to get Seán kelly to pass him but Seán didn’t have the legs so Stephen went for it.

Big day out in school then for the milk ras and we lined the street in roscrea and 3 seconds later over. Stephen has kind of been erased from irish sport legends due to the judge finding that he was on Performance enhancing drugs for a long time https://www.irishtimes.com/news/doctor-did-give-drug-to-irish-star-judge-concludes-1.1136835.

Nail in his coffin was when he said lance Armstrong should be give his Tour de France wins back.

boardise

joeguevara wrote: »

What demographic has this new view of Michael D Higgins. He is probably the most loved President in my lifetime and I’m going back to Patrick Hillary.

He is a believer in social justice but also follows through and includes students and young people from socially deprived areas when other politicians and advocates pay lip service.

Every speech he makes is a piece of art which includes literary references, educational references and examples to bring it to real life so people can understand it.

He is a Gaelgoir and is constantly promoting our native language while others deride it.

He has been part of major steps forward in inclusion in our country and not hid behind red tape. For example when the same s3x marriage was voted through by 1.2 million people, he signed it into law, not on a whim but knowledge even where people with no legal basis or case tried to delay or rescind with no other reason but hate.

To say he changes his voice is crazy. He’s sounded the same his whole life. He also treats dignitaries and less fortunate as equals and never allows pomp to trump human life.

And when you saw him shaking hands with the Irish Rugby Team dwarfed beside Devin Toner, you cant not love him.

Abused the office by making political statements. Also misled the people by saying he would be a one term president. Altogether an odious piece of work.

boardise

joeguevara wrote: »

If you were cooked a fillet steak badly you hate the chef noot the steak.

Honestly if you are Irish, you have no choice but accepting Irish is our native language as its recognised as such in our constitution. If you don’t recognise the constitution then i don’t count you. And promotion of our culture while integrating others is paramount.

Gaelic is the native language of a tiny percentage of the current Irish population.
It is but a minuscule part of Irish culture. ..and in no wise coterminous with it.
The very idea of a people of a country 'promoting its culture ' is a nonsense. People live a culture - it's what they think and do everyday ..and it's always changing.

JJayoo

The thing from Longford that was on love island

joeguevara

boardise wrote: »

Abused the office by making political statements. Also misled the people by saying he would be a one term president. Altogether an odious piece of work.

Discussed this. Really shocked so many people thought it. But have no real issue with it.

However the fact 75% of the public wanted him to serve a second term tempers the lie to public argument. Is the issue that Sinn Fein wanted Liadh Na Riadh as president the real issue, fact they ran liadh against all customary shows a lot. As for a house in galway, any links to Sf there. Political statements. Yeah, not seeing it,

joeguevara

boardise wrote: »

Gaelic is the native language of a tiny percentage of the current Irish population.
It is but a minuscule part of Irish culture. ..and in no wise coterminous with it.
The very idea of a people of a country 'promoting its culture ' is a nonsense. People live a culture - it's what they think and do everyday ..and it's always changing.

I doubt anyone speaks Gaelic in Ireland seeing as it refers only to the Native language of Scotland.

Irish is a huge part of Irish culture even if you and loads of others want to forget it. Amazing that it seems a bit of a pick and mix, having an amazing constitution that guarantees fundamental freedoms and each and every one of us which didn’t just appear from the heavens. The reason that Irish is the way it is is because of...well. Yes as I said every time we need to embrace the future, but while still having our culture and all the freedoms it has brought. But I have said this. You can have your opinion and I’ll have mine. There is no argument or issue.

skooterblue2

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Why?

Michael D Higgins?
Support for Castro.
Signing dodgy pieces of legislation in on obscure days so it was thought it would go unnoticed (irish water, something about accomodation).

skooterblue2

joeguevara wrote: »

Was such a huge thing. Watched the final stage in a hotel in Waterford. He also won the big world event soon after but was trying to get Seán kelly to pass him but Seán didn’t have the legs so Stephen went for it.

Big day out in school then for the milk ras and we lined the street in roscrea and 3 seconds later over. Stephen has kind of been erased from irish sport legends due to the judge finding that he was on Performance enhancing drugs for a long time https://www.irishtimes.com/news/doctor-did-give-drug-to-irish-star-judge-concludes-1.1136835.

Nail in his coffin was when he said lance Armstrong should be give his Tour de France wins back.

That killed it for me too. I thought Stephen Roche was god on two wheels. What I learned was, you cannot win at cycling without doping. If you dont win you get canned. What is the point of trying if everyone else around you is on 'roids? How do you face kids when you were their idol after it was found out you cheated? I just couldnt do that.

joeguevara

skooterblue2 wrote: »

That killed it for me too. I thought Stephen Roche was god on two wheels. What I learned was, you cannot win at cycling without doping. If you dont win you get canned. What is the point of trying if everyone else around you is on 'roids? How do you face kids when you were their idol after it was found out you cheated? I just couldnt do that.

Sean Kelly is still a legend.

Amsterdam is a lot like the Tour De France. Load of people on drugs riding around in bikes.

ToddDameron

Rory Gallagher.

joeguevara

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Michael D Higgins?
Support for Castro.
Signing dodgy pieces of legislation in on obscure days so it was thought it would go unnoticed (irish water, something about accomodation).

Again, a president can not amend or change law. If it was drafted in a constitutional fashion he has no option but to sign it. Now in extreme circumstances he can request guidance from council of the president but that is for stuff we cannot even imagine. Before he even goes near it he will have studied every issue and his knowledge is excellent but again refer to presidents powers. Now, if the dodgy pieces of legislation were as you said and he was nefarious. Very strange that SF in opposition never once sought the Supreme Court to initiate their powers. It’s all the social media spoon feeding.

As for Castro, his statement as a president of Ireland was supportive of the positive policies brought in such as 100% literacy, much improved hospitals and much less poverty and inequality as in other Latin American countries with similar economic output. But he also outlined what the effect the regime had on the people. It was measured and was well received. It also has to be remembered that a lot of the issues were because of the sanctions imposed by United States. Reading every republican media outlet, it’s Castro was as evil as ciucescu and Stalin combined but more liberal show him as ironfosted but a progressive and a bastion for the downtrodden and everything a good revolutionary should be. Amazing that no other nation and even the EU had economic or terrorist sanctions against him when they quickly impose on other tyrants in Africa Latin America and East. So what is Michaels D to do. Bow to republican right wing views and not acknowledge the passing of one of the most important leaders in modern times putting a slur on the people grieving in Cuba or standup and eloquently outline the good and the bad.

Finally We must remember when no one cared about Ireland and people were fighting for equality in the North and civil rights in Derry and human rights for interred prisoners who were locked up without trial, and very few leaders of countries stood up to speak out but Fidel Castro did. So for someone to without discussion rebuke michael d for Castro statement is not right.

joeguevara

It’s funny I wouldn’t have ever been a supporter of him. Definitely favoured Norris until he jumped the shark with a ridiculous and contemptible comment. But Michael d has done great for us and generates feel good when I see him stride about, the other thing I forgot to mention when he accepted the feelings of the 75% of the people was as a general election looming and public finances stretched, and a huge bill required to run it and quickly after a general election again it saved the economy millions. Also it was Liadh and Gavin Duffy who wanted it. God help us. Let’s face all the negative press came from SF who effectively wanted to run a dual general election campaign through the presidential.

Capt. Autumn

Three Irish people who I have never heard a bad word about:

Ardal O'Hanlon

Larry Mullen of U2

Thelma Mansfield

joeguevara

Capt. Autumn wrote: »

Three Irish people who I have never heard a bad word about:

Ardal O'Hanlon

Larry Mullen of U2

Thelma Mansfield

Larry was. Ardal yeah as everyone else was but was he loved liked the others or just the p1ss pull. Thelma. I did mention derek. Thelma while a longtime servant of live at 3 didn’t do anything that makes me remember. Saw her selling art in a pop up shop in DL last year. Looked fit, for her age.

OMM 0000

Capt. Autumn wrote: »

Thelma Mansfield

I know one of her sons. A nice person. So I suspect she is a nice person too.

whisky_galore

skooterblue2 wrote: »

That killed it for me too. I thought Stephen Roche was god on two wheels. What I learned was, you cannot win at cycling without doping. If you dont win you get canned. What is the point of trying if everyone else around you is on 'roids? How do you face kids when you were their idol after it was found out you cheated? I just couldnt do that.

You mean it wasn't Calvita cheese?
No wonder he dropped off the public radar.

AndrewJRenko

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Michael D Higgins?
Support for Castro.
Signing dodgy pieces of legislation in on obscure days so it was thought it would go unnoticed (irish water, something about accomodation).

Could you please share your list of the days that it's OK with you for him to sign legislation?

FFS man, if that's your biggest whinge then it's a good sign that he did a decent job.

skooterblue2

whisky_galore wrote: »

You mean it wasn't Calvita cheese?
No wonder he dropped off the public radar.

It was "Galtee Cheese" that I thought made him win races. I ate blocks of the stuff to get the free tea-towel. It was like the same time you hear that your favourite rockstar does drugs..... *rocks back and forth in the corner*

skooterblue2

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Could you please share your list of the days that it's OK with you for him to sign legislation?

FFS man, if that's your biggest whinge then it's a good sign that he did a decent job.

When you sign a piece of legislation it should be out in the open, particularly the dodgy bits.

As for doing a decent job he is certainly neither of the two Mary's.

skooterblue2

joeguevara wrote: »

Again, a president can not amend or change law. If it was drafted in a constitutional fashion he has no option but to sign it. Now in extreme circumstances he can request guidance from council of the president but that is for stuff we cannot even imagine. Before he even goes near it he will have studied every issue and his knowledge is excellent but again refer to presidents powers. Now, if the dodgy pieces of legislation were as you said and he was nefarious. Very strange that SF in opposition never once sought the Supreme Court to initiate their powers. It’s all the social media spoon feeding.

As for Castro, his statement as a president of Ireland was supportive of the positive policies brought in such as 100% literacy, much improved hospitals and much less poverty and inequality as in other Latin American countries with similar economic output. But he also outlined what the effect the regime had on the people. It was measured and was well received. It also has to be remembered that a lot of the issues were because of the sanctions imposed by United States. Reading every republican media outlet, it’s Castro was as evil as ciucescu and Stalin combined but more liberal show him as ironfosted but a progressive and a bastion for the downtrodden and everything a good revolutionary should be. Amazing that no other nation and even the EU had economic or terrorist sanctions against him when they quickly impose on other tyrants in Africa Latin America and East. So what is Michaels D to do. Bow to republican right wing views and not acknowledge the passing of one of the most important leaders in modern times putting a slur on the people grieving in Cuba or standup and eloquently outline the good and the bad.

Finally We must remember when no one cared about Ireland and people were fighting for equality in the North and civil rights in Derry and human rights for interred prisoners who were locked up without trial, and very few leaders of countries stood up to speak out but Fidel Castro did. So for someone to without discussion rebuke michael d for Castro statement is not right.

Well once you eliminate illiteracy 100%? There is no western country that has done that. Why were all the Cubans escaping to the United States then on rubber tyres.

The North was a proxy war fought between London and Moscow. The polit Bureau were sending arms via Libya and other Warsaw Pact states. So of course it was going to support it own cause. I am not saying the suffering of the people in Northern Ireland wasn't real previous but once both sides were properly armed, then it started.

Now I have not been to Cuba but a friend of mine has and confirmed for be beyond doubt that yes it is a complete sugarhole. but they have an amazing marketing and tourism board.

I’ve skipped from page one to the last page.

Has Brenda Fricker been mentioned? If Kevin McAllister loved her in Home Alone 2 then we all should.

kowloonkev

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

I’ve skipped from page one to the last page.

Has Brenda Fricker been mentioned? If Kevin McAllister loved her in Home Alone 2 then we all should.

Heard an interview with her a while back. Very straight talking, no nonsense type. Very humble and seems to be living a reclusive lifestyle. She is likable in that sense everyone loves a celebrity who hates celebrity.

Lillyfae

Kerry25x wrote: »

Graham Norton has his critics but I think most people like him.

Graham is fantastic, the show always gives me a good laugh. He gets the best and the funniest out of people, that's for sure.

Kerry25x wrote: »

I think Saorise Ronan deserves a mention as well, very talented and seems to represent Ireland very well in any interviews I've seen her in.

I agree, she's not my favourite actor but I appreciate her talent, fair dues to her. Irish people are extremely nasty about her though, and I can't understand it. Case in point:

McGinniesta wrote: »

She's really false.

...she's an actor.

AndrewJRenko

skooterblue2 wrote: »

When you sign a piece of legislation it should be out in the open, particularly the dodgy bits.

As for doing a decent job he is certainly neither of the two Mary's.

What does this even mean? Do you want him to do signings out in the garden or what?

He doesn't get to pick and choose what legislation he signs. He doesn't get a view on whether he approves of it or not.

If it is legal, (and it would be very, very unusual for it to be illegal) then he signs it.

What specifically are you expecting him to do?

You're right though, he's certainly not using the post as a career stepping stone as Robbo did.

Ash.J.Williams

joeguevara wrote: »

And spread horrible rumours under direction that Harry had ripped him off. Couple that with the death of his daughter it’s amazing how he coped. He did a amazing interview last week calling out the effects of organised crime on boxing and how it needed to stop. So many professionals congratulated him for his courage and honesty. Until Sky Sports released a promotional ad with new addition of MTK logo in bottom corner.

In the 80s when nothing was good and even as a kid could see everyone happy but broke, him winning the world title and showing that Ireland has amazing people was a breath of fresh air.

Then even better Dermot Morgan hit number one with a parody of him thanking mr Eastwood. Good times

https://youtu.be/yHxrDcAjf60

it really is shocking stuff, jonny nelson on sky has been bought by the kinnehans also