Things, people, places you thought were Irish but aren't

whisky_galore

IrishCentral, JFK and Quiet Man discussion group.

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Hulk Hogan

El Tarangu

jmlad2020 wrote: »

There is some pretty offended D4 Dubs on this thread

I don't particularly care for this poster, nor his posts... So, jmlad, when was it exactly you decided to move to Ireland?

jmlad2020

El Tarangu wrote: »

I don't particularly care for this poster, nor his posts... So, jmlad, when was it exactly you decided to move to Ireland?

*Said in the most condescending D4 accent imaginable*

touts

Conor McGregor

Because after the latest revelations maybe if we all say he is really Scottish maybe the little scroat will become Scottish.

gormdubhgorm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Touchy subject, I reckon we might have it on Freckle Countback ?

Also, what is going on over in Russia there ? ( look to the east of the map )

Redheads doing a lot of riding in Wales/Scotland and West of Ireland.
Must of went on a mad foreign holiday to Russia or have been kidnapped!

afro man

Rep of ireland football legend oh ah Paul mc grath

gormdubhgorm

jmlad2020 wrote: »

Posh D4 Dubs. They have more in common with British than the Irish.

jmlad2020 wrote: »

There is some pretty offended D4 Dubs on this thread

It reads like OP was written by a culchie/or lower working class Dub.
No fan of D4 heads myself. My main problem with your original hypotheses that D4 people have more in common with the British.
Merely because of thier accent and sport they follow. But many Irish people are more British than Irish.

1) You assume and imply that all British people are upper class and posh.

2) You assume and imply many in D4 are not raised by the more successful/intelligent culchies who migrated to Dublin for work

3) Your theory ignores the fact that the vast majority of teenage girls in Ireland speak a variant of D4 - as they copy mid-Atlantic American speech patterns

4) Many in Ireland follow EPL soccer and Rugby is big in Connacht and Munster. Both popular British sports

5) All Irish people speak English so it is not just the D4's who are like the British - in that sense

Adyx

Father Hernandez wrote: »

Majority of Irish bars abroad.

There's even one near Mt. Everest in Nepal.

George White

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/114541720#Comment_114541720

She's American in the same way Kiefer Sutherland and Katherine Waterston are British (i.e. was born in a country where their dad was working as an actor at the time).

its_steve116

A lot of people think Chris de Burgh is Irish. He was actually born in Argentina, holds a British passport and grew up in various countries. While he does live here and his mother is from County Wexford, he is on record as saying "in a court of law I can't say that I'm Irish".

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122812945#Comment_122812945

He has more connections to here than some that do!

Checking his wiki, didn't realise he'd gone to Trinity (Dublin), or was born in Argentina.

Sgt Hartman

For years I thought Kirsty MacColl was Irish but she was born in England and is of English-Scottish descent.

Hangdogroad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/114585901#Comment_114585901

Thank God.

Kaybaykwah

My little finger tells me Cork should be situated somewhere in Portugal, since most of the stuff is harvested there. Same divverenz with Liège in Belgium. It means cork in French, but somehow nobody has been able to put a bottle stopper on these inconsistencies like, forever.

ThePentagon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122813123#Comment_122813123

On a related note, for years I assumed 'Dirty Old Town' was an Irish song but it was actually written about the city of Salford by an Englishman, Ewan MacColl - Kirsty's father.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122814583#Comment_122814583

I think RTE had a series a good few years ago with Brian Kennedy where they looked at different songs, and this was one of them.

mrslancaster

Phil Lynott, English

James Connolly, Scottish

Devalera, American

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122814751#Comment_122814751

That would be a very narrow definition of 'Irish'. While not born here all of them had Irish parentage and spent major parts of their life here. They would all be eligible Irish citizens.

Phil Lynott was born in England to an Irish mother and grew up in Dublin. He is Irish.

James Connolly, Irish parents, lived half of his life here.

De Valera, Irish mother.

mrslancaster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122815197#Comment_122815197

Maybe it depends on whether the person sees themselves as Irish or not when they have one Irish parent. They might relate more to the other parent's nationality, customs and culture, they might live all their formative years in another place, there's probably various reasons a person of Irish descent might not see themselves as Irish.

We have extended family in Canada, UK and Australia where both parents are Irish born and grew up here, they left for various reasons, but their kids don't consider themselves Irish. I'd say there's huge numbers of people of Irish descent in other countries who'd never think of taking Irish citizenship even though they could.

Also, Dev and Connolly's mothers were British subjects and citizens in those years as we were still part of the UK. So is being Irish defined by birthplace, parentage, residence, eligibility for citizenship, feeling or identifying as Irish? Does it pass through the mother? Is it a multi-generational tie and connection to this island? I don't have the answers.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122816067#Comment_122816067

True there are complexities there.

I'll simplify it a little and say if someone has a family connection to Ireland like those three, and grew up \ lives here, so a formative part of their life, and considers themselves Irish*, well I will too. That's not an exclusive definition, there are other ways to be 'Irish' too.

*not sure how Connolly thought of himself, but the other two I imagine would have said Irish.

Hamsterchops

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/114603806#Comment_114603806

Some say we're descended from the Iberian peninsula, and I'm told the Portugees have a lot of red haired "squirrels" there too 😉

whisky_galore

"Wexford" Cream Ale (England)

Killian's "Irish" Ale (France)

I'd be doubtful if Caffreys Ale is produced here, they might have had origins here but they're just names to be bought and sold now.