Aoibheann Ni Shuilleabhain Harassment Story

irishblessing

IAMAMORON wrote: »

It is impossible to be specific. I compliment female colleagues all the time, it is the tone of your compliment that matters. I have been quite rude to some female colleagues, but if they like you it gets laughed off. If they do not like you prepare to be scoffed at and labelled a creep or pervert and quite possibly ostracised by other staff members.

Thin is the line between success and failure at the workplace. My best advice is to play things very safe.

Why were you "quite rude to some female colleagues?"

I think you're not aware of the fact most times women will laugh it off regardless of whether they liked it or not. You may be under the impression she liked it and so she laughed, but she most likely laughed so as to not make an issue of it.

Why are you complimenting female colleagues all the time?

irishblessing

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

I don't about the law...

"Can I rest my face on your tits?"

"How's your fanny?"

"Put your cock in his ear..."

Who says that and thinks it's all in innocent jest or a sign of "affection?
**** and immature shítheads, that's who.
And quite right that they'd find themselves in trouble for it in a professional work setting.

IAMAMORON

irishblessing wrote: »

Why were you "quite rude to some female colleagues?"

I think you're not aware of the fact most times women will laugh it off regardless of whether they liked it or not. You may be under the impression she liked it and so she laughed, but she most likely laughed so as to not make an issue of it.

Why are you complimenting female colleagues all the time?

Nah, I know when and where to do it. I will also compliment male colleagues, but the banter can be different.

Everyone is different, but I would never bother complimenting a colleague if I got the impression it was unwanted. Most sincere colleagues will professionally or politely let you know if they preferred you backed off. Others will encourage banter and compliments. In my experience there are no hard or fast rules. But you would never catch me being uncouth or inappropriate.

At the same time I have a female colleague in work who I know for years. We rip the piss out of each other all the time, it is fun. Some of the stuff we say would raise eyebrows, but we never share banter in public and we always make it fun.

irishblessing

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Nah, I know when and where to do it. I will also compliment male colleagues, but the banter can be different.

Everyone is different, but I would never bother complimenting a colleague if I got the impression it was unwanted. Most sincere colleagues will professionally or politely let you know if they preferred you backed off. Others will encourage banter and compliments. In my experience there are no hard or fast rules. But you would never catch me being uncouth or inappropriate.

At the same time I have a female colleague in work who I know for years. We rip the piss out of each other all the time, it is fun. Some of the stuff we say would raise eyebrows, but we never share banter in public and we always make it fun.

What did you mean by saying you're quite rude to female colleagues though? I do think an established rapport with a colleague is just fine. Some don't seem to know or care when to stop or back off though, which is more than illustrated in the OP of the thread...
Also, be careful of the "raised eyebrow." You say it raises eyebrows yet never share banter in public yet that seems to be a direct contradiction. Harassment can also occur when it's overheard by others. It creates an environment they don't want to be part of and tbh that's fair enough.

IAMAMORON

irishblessing wrote: »

What did you mean by saying you're quite rude to female colleagues though?

I am not rude to any colleagues, at all.

What I was hoping to emphasise is that there is no hard or fast rules. Some colleagues will have different boundaries to others, everyone's boundaries are different. It is the tone of what is being communicated which is key.

I won't be giving any examples but there are things that I have said to some colleagues which would simply horrify others, it all depends and tact of delivery is paramount.

irishblessing

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I have been quite rude to some female colleagues, but if they like you it gets laughed off.

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I am not rude to any colleagues, at all.

But you did say that, so I was wondering what you meant. You've also said that things you've said have raised eyebrows, so I would bet you're crossing that line.

I think you'll find there are hard and fast rules though. Established rapport is one thing (completely separate from "tone") but others being privvy to your "delivery" which would "simply horrify others" is quite another.

IAMAMORON

irishblessing wrote: »

But you did say that, so I was wondering what you meant. You've also said that things you've said have raised eyebrows, so I would bet you're crossing that line.

I think you'll find there are hard and fast rules though. Established rapport is one thing (completely separate from "tone") but others being privvy to your "delivery" which would "simply horrify others" is quite another.

You are fishing a little. As I said I am not rude to colleagues, or would not be interested in being rude to them.

There is a difference in saying something that "appears" rude when taken out of context. You just need to use your cop on. ( that very sentence could be taken up as being rude, it all depends on context and tone )

Vetch

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I doubt it and to be frank if she had not got the Gards involved god knows where she would be now.

To me it highlights that everyone is susceptible to bullying in the work place, it happens everywhere. Reading between the lines here Mr Braun developed a very uncomfortable obssesion with Ní Shúilleabháin and it appears that apart from sending a letter to Braun UCD did phuck all really. Although, they may not have been in a position to do much else? UCD ( or any company or institution ) cannot be responsible for the actions of employees of campus or in their own spare time. Hence their hands appear tied over the incident in Cork, I mean technically what he was doing was crazy, but possibly not illegal? I mean the Gards knew what was happening at this time by all accounts, but technically she only knew the guy a few weeks ( my understanding is that this happened very early on), this is difficult to prove, or legally retaliate against, as there is no persistent evidence of harassment at that point. There is nothing illegal about hanging around a hotel or enquiring about a guest. So in fairness the Gards in Cork were very good to her, all things considered.

But it just highlights how difficult it is for victims.

If someone is on your case and harassing you, start writing shít down. Get your dates together and also begin to actively let your harasser know you are doing this, they need to know that their behaviour is unacceptable. It is a classic bully victim scenario, if you do not stand up for yourself the bully will walk all over you. Whilst you should expect to receive assistance from your work HR I would be applying Murphy's Law and expecting the worst. Most HR professionals are comfortable with a tidy desk and a clean bill of paperwork. The last thing they need to be dealing with is a serious harassment issue. That is the sad reality of what happens, you are quite likely to be met with a smile and a phone number to some VHI counselling service, it is very unlikely you will be advised to contact the cops.

Lots of organisations have codes of conduct for employees, dignity & respect policies and similar. I don't know what policies UCD had in place when these events occurred but these are fairly standard. Additionally, UCD was given an Athena Swan award in 2017 so policies about gender equality and the like should have received attention as part of this.

Regarding off-campus incidents, I'm not sure this matters and it is usually that colleagues should behave appropriately no matter the location. I don't think anyone could expect to get away with cyber bullying a colleague from home but not if that bullying took place in an office setting.

While it might not be illegal to hang around a hotel and enquire after someone, by any reasonable standard, it is completely creepy and inappropriate to follow someone you don't really know across the country and show up at their hotel twice.

IAMAMORON

Vetch wrote: »

While it might not be illegal to hang around a hotel and enquire after someone, by any reasonable standard, it is completely creepy and inappropriate to follow someone you don't really know across the country and show up at their hotel twice.

I don't think anyone is refuting this. The guy was nuts, but as I said the poor women actually had no legal retaliation in that circumstance. She rightly reported her predicament to the Gardaí, but there is only so much they can do in such a scenario. They would need proper suspicion and evidence that he was a danger to her or indeed anyone in the general public. You cannot demand that someone is removed from a premise without a proper legal basis.

Nexytus

Vetch wrote: »

While it might not be illegal to hang around a hotel and enquire after someone

On this point it basically comes down to intent. If your intent is to harass or intimidate then it is a criminal offence. To establish intent the cops would have to look at all the circumstances of his being there. His behaviour in the hotel. What he said to staff. What explanation he gave for being at the location.

But you're starting from a position of it being a hell of coincidence that the complainant is at a social outing at the other side of the country and a co-worker makes themselves present. And they return after being arrested.

IAMAMORON

Nexytus wrote: »

On this point it basically comes down to intent. If your intent is to harass or intimidate then it is a criminal offence. To establish intent the cops would have to look at all the circumstances of his being there. His behaviour in the hotel. What he said to staff. What explanation he gave for being at the location.

But you're starting from a position of it being a hell of coincidence that the complainant is at a social outing at the other side of the country and a co-worker makes themselves present. And they return after being arrested.

Per the article it states

"The professor was removed by gardaí from the hotel twice, on two consecutive days, and Ní Shúilleabháin received a Garda escort out of Co Cork."

I would not be convinced that he was arrested in this instance, he may have been asked to "move on" by the Gards. I am speculating, but surely if they arrested him on the first day they would have had grounds to caution his behaviours, which could have resulted in concrete charges after he ignored their directions?

If he was arrested this would be public information and would certainly have been something with which the HR in UCD could have acted on. I get the impression he was asked to move on as opposed to physically being arrested, the article would have been entitled to print this if he was.( actually arrested )

Psychiatric Patrick

irishblessing wrote: »

Who says that and thinks it's all in innocent jest or a sign of "affection?
**** and immature shítheads, that's who.
And quite right that they'd find themselves in trouble for it in a professional work setting.

You asked for specific examples. So I provided.

You didn't ask for context. So I didn't provide.

Hence why you can't see how it is jest or affection. You were not there.

There was never any trouble for talking this way. And the second and third examples were used by women. Like I said, different times.

And I never used the word "innocent". Please do not fabricate.

Nexytus

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Per the article it states

"The professor was removed by gardaí from the hotel twice, on two consecutive days, and Ní Shúilleabháin received a Garda escort out of Co Cork."

I would not be convinced that he was arrested in this instance, he may have been asked to "move on" by the Gards. I am speculating, but surely if they arrested him on the first day they would have had grounds to caution his behaviours, which could have resulted in concrete charges after he ignored their directions?

If he was arrested this would be public information and would certainly have been something with which the HR in UCD could have acted on. I get the impression he was asked to move on as opposed to physically being arrested, the article would have been entitled to print this if he was.( actually arrested )

Sorry, you're quite right. I stand corrected.

Psychiatric Patrick

irishblessing wrote: »

But you did say that, so I was wondering what you meant. You've also said that things you've said have raised eyebrows, so I would bet you're crossing that line.

I think you'll find there are hard and fast rules though. Established rapport is one thing (completely separate from "tone") but others being privvy to your "delivery" which would "simply horrify others" is quite another.

Ironic that you are doing this when you your self fabricate what others have posted.

irishblessing

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

I don't about the law...

"Can I rest my face on your tits?"

"How's your fanny?"

"Put your cock in his ear..."

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

The world has a lot since my factory/warehouse days.

The things we would say as signs of affection or in jest would cause people's heads to explode these days.

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

You asked for specific examples. So I provided.

You didn't ask for context. So I didn't provide.

Hence why you can't see how it is jest or affection. You were not there.

There was never any trouble for talking this way. And the second and third examples were used by women. Like I said, different times.

And I never used the word "innocent". Please do not fabricate.

So those things were actually said and you think it's fine in jest or affection? I don't need to be there to tell you without a doubt those comments aren't funny jokes and are in fact completely inappropriate. No further context needed, they stand alone.
Just because there was never any trouble then over it, doesn't mean it wasn't wrong or that it was welcomed. How thick do you have to be to not realise that many women (especially men I'd say) were forced to laugh it off or ignore as to not be seen as a trouble maker and make it worse. Thankfully we've come a long way and in today's workplace there are stronger policies and rights and no one needs to put up with that garbage from either men or women.
I never said you used the word innocent either, I'm not fabricating anything that's just you trying to pick a fight and make a point where you don't have one.

irishblessing

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

Ironic that you are doing this when you your self fabricate what others have posted.

1. I haven't fabricated anything
2. I'm perfectly entitled to point out that poster did say exactly what they claimed they didn't say.

I think you're getting the hump now because you're being called out all over this thread and for derailing it too which you obviously can't stop doing.

Mrsmum

irishblessing wrote: »

Why were you "quite rude to some female colleagues?"

I think you're not aware of the fact most times women will laugh it off regardless of whether they liked it or not. You may be under the impression she liked it and so she laughed, but she most likely laughed so as to not make an issue of it.

Why are you complimenting female colleagues all the time?

^^^
This a million times over. When you do the old ha ha ha to their face and mutter d*ckh*ad under your breath. The alternative is often more drama than it's worth, especially when the other person is not worth the bother. Not just a female phenomenon either. Men play the game in situations where discretion is the better part of valour also.

IAMAMORON

Mrsmum wrote: »

^^^
This a million times over. When you do the old ha ha ha to their face and mutter d*ckh*ad under your breath. The alternative is often more drama than it's worth, especially when the other person is not worth the bother. Not just a female phenomenon either. Men play the game in situations where discretion is the better part of valour also.

This is my point exactly.

If a colleague likes you this never happens, but if you are disliked be prepared to be labelled a creep and receive negativity from other staff members. Which goes back to my sentiment of tone and also discretion when delivering compliments to colleagues.

It is also worth adding that doing nothing will not save an unliked colleague from surrepstitious female cabals that exist throughout the workplace. How often have I heard the words " I simply cannot stand that man" whispered about completely innocuous staff members who merely keep to themselves. That happens too.

Psychiatric Patrick

irishblessing wrote: »

So those things were actually said and you think it's fine in jest or affection? I don't need to be there to tell you without a doubt those comments aren't funny jokes and are in fact completely inappropriate. No further context needed, they stand alone.
Just because there was never any trouble then over it, doesn't mean it wasn't wrong or that it was welcomed. How thick do you have to be to not realise that many women (especially men I'd say) were forced to laugh it off or ignore as to not be seen as a trouble maker and make it worse. Thankfully we've come a long way and in today's workplace there are stronger policies and rights and no one needs to put up with that garbage from either men or women.
I never said you used the word innocent either, I'm not fabricating anything that's just you trying to pick a fight and make a point where you don't have one.

You fabricated that I used the word "innocent".

I did not but in your post you claimed I did. You were, and are, not telling the truth.

I don'y have the hump and such comments are not "inappropriate" in a time and in a place that you clear cannot understand.

I worked with a guy who was terrible at remembering names so called every "bastard" or "bitch". No one cared., hence no one was offended, hence it was not "inappropriate".

No one was "putting up with it" and no one was a "victim".

The pearl clutching snowflakes came along later.

irishblessing

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

You fabricated that I used the word "innocent".

I did not but in your post you claimed I did. You were, and are, not telling the truth.

I don'y have the hump and such comments are not "inappropriate" in a time and in a place that you clear cannot understand.

I worked with a guy who was terrible at remembering names so called every "bastard" or "bitch". No one cared., hence no one was offended, hence it was not "inappropriate".

No one was "putting up with it" and no one was a "victim".

The pearl clutching snowflakes came along later.

Oh good jaysus, you're hard work. I did not claim you used that word, are you quite right in comprehension faculties? Point out where I claimed you did. Insane. Stop derailing threads with your own bs and unrelated anecdote stories of your own toxic work places. :rolleyes:

Psychiatric Patrick

irishblessing wrote: »

Oh good jaysus, you're hard work. I did not claim you used that word, are you quite right in comprehension faculties? Point out where I claimed you did. Insane. Stop derailing threads with your own bs and unrelated anecdote stories of your own toxic work places. :rolleyes:

irishblessing wrote: »

Who says that and thinks it's all in innocent jest or a sign of "affection?
**** and immature shítheads, that's who.
And quite right that they'd find themselves in trouble for it in a professional work setting.

Are your right in the memory faculties yourself?

Who is derailing threads? More fabrication.

There was no "toxic work place" - like I said the pearl clothing drama queens such yourself came later. People are afraid to make a joke or give a genuine compliment now

Aoibheann Ni Shuilleabhain experienced real harassment. In fact, harassment doesn't even cover it. You are crying about a bit of name calling? Stay at the keyboard. You won't last out in the real world.

irishblessing

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

Are your right in the memory faculties yourself?

Who is derailing threads? More fabrication.

There was no "toxic work place" - like I said the pearl clothing drama queens such yourself came later. People are afraid to make a joke or give a genuine compliment now

Aoibheann Ni Shuilleabhain experienced real harassment. In fact, harassment doesn't even cover it. You are crying about a bit of name calling? Stay at the keyboard. You won't last out in the real world.

Stop replying to me, I'm done with you. Yeah good job, you can quote! And anyone can plainly see I didn't claim you said the word innocent. You're like a dog with a bone, it's coming across as creepy harassment now. Just stop. I'm reporting you and your posts.

irishblessing

Originally Posted by Psychiatric Patrick View Post
I don't about the law...

"Can I rest my face on your tits?"

"How's your fanny?"

"Put your cock in his ear..."

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

The world has a lot since my factory/warehouse days.

The things we would say as signs of affection or in jest would cause people's heads to explode these days.

This is what you said originally. Your claim to me reads like it's all an innocent game, just affection or joking around. Innocent fun vs intended harassment, is the context you are arguing, OBVIOUSLY.

You said that "You fabricated that I used the word "innocent". I did no such thing.

You need to stop and leave it and me alone now.

Mr E

Mod: OK guys, for the sake of your own sanity, stop replying to each other.

Donald Trump

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

"Can I rest my face on your tits?"

What kind of complete and utter eejit would ever ask such a thing?








sure it's a 100% pure rookie mistake not knowing it's much easier to ask for forgiveness than permission! *














(*Don't actually do it kids. Simply making an absurd joke)

Rubberchikken

I wouldn't appreciate anyone calling me a bitch or bastard irrespective of the year or circumstances.

If you can't be bothered to remember my name, don't address me.

The way some men and women spoke years ago is, thankfully unacceptable today.
There are funny ways to joke with friends and colleagues but lines need to be drawn.

Psychiatric Patrick

Donald Trump wrote: »

What kind of complete and utter eejit would ever ask such a thing?








sure it's a 100% pure rookie mistake not knowing it's much easier to ask for forgiveness than permission! *














(*Don't actually do it kids. Simply making an absurd joke)

It was the kind of thing that would be said.

If you a person thought it was funny they would laugh or deliver a comeback.

If a person didn't like it they would say so and that would the end of it. There was no crying about it and HR was reserved for actual problems.

Psychiatric Patrick

Rubberchikken wrote: »

I wouldn't appreciate anyone calling me a bitch or bastard irrespective of the year or circumstances.

If you can't be bothered to remember my name, don't address me.

The way some men and women spoke years ago is, thankfully unacceptable today.
There are funny ways to joke with friends and colleagues but lines need to be drawn.

If you are going to get upset at people over name calling you are going to have a difficult life.

You never called someone or been called a bastard or bitch in an argument or as part of banter?

Kaybaykwah

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

If you are going to get upset at people over name calling you are going to have a difficult life.

You never called someone or been called a bastard or bitch in an argument or as part of banter?

With all due respect, you seem pretty thin skinned for someone who claims to be above name calling, Psycho.

Psychiatric Patrick

Kaybaykwah wrote: »

With all due respect, you seem pretty thin skinned for someone who claims to be above name calling, Psycho.

When have I been thin skinned?

Loafing Oaf

Tork wrote: »

This is the perfect storm, isn't it? Harassment that reads like something from a Hollywood stalker movie, missing only the climactic fight to the death scene. And the victim is someone who's reasonably well known and credible. If anyone with half a brain had been working in UCD's HR department, they should've been onto this like a shot.

This is the bit I don't get. Even aside from the obligation on the institution to protect all employees, particularly female ones, from this sort of harassment, Aoibhinn Ní Shúilleabháin is possibly the best-known young academic in the country. Surely someone in the office would have said hang on, if we don't sort this out and the story gets into the public domain, we will get absolutely slaughtered over it...

Psychiatric Patrick

Kaybaykwah wrote: »

With all due respect, you seem pretty thin skinned for someone who claims to be above name calling, Psycho.

I find "With all due respect" very amusing.

I have commented several times on my mental issues and here you twist Psychiatric to Psycho for what purpose? To try upset me? To provoke an angry response?

You will have to do lot more than that.:pac::pac:

Computer Science Student

The biggest takeaway from the whole thing for me is how on earth did Ryan Tubridy manage to marry Aoibheann Ni Shuileabhain and in a similar but less baffling vein, how did he manage to blow it?

Psychiatric Patrick

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

This is the bit I don't get. Even aside from the obligation on the institution to protect all employees, particularly female ones, from this sort of harassment, Aoibhinn Ní Shúilleabháin is possibly the best-known young academic in the country. Surely someone in the office would have said hang on, if we don't sort this out and the story gets into the public domain, we will get absolutely slaughtered over it...

I said something similar earlier.

Even if the authorities at UCD didn't care about the well being of staff or students you'd think they'd at least want to protect themselves and the schools reputation.

MadYaker

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

I said something similar earlier.

Even if the authorities at UCD didn't care about the well being of staff or students you'd think they'd at least want to protect themselves and the schools reputation.

I did 4 years in NUIG. I won't name names but half of my "professors" were d!cks. There was one in particular whom if I heard he'd done something like this I wouldn't be a bit surprised. It's a bubble.

elperello

Computer Science Student wrote: »

The biggest takeaway from the whole thing for me is how on earth did Ryan Tubridy manage to marry Aoibheann Ni Shuileabhain and in a similar but less baffling vein, how did he manage to blow it?

I would say the "biggest takeaway" is a bit more serious.

Just to clarify, they were never married to each other.

Psychiatric Patrick

MadYaker wrote: »

I did 4 years in NUIG. I won't name names but half of my "professors" were d!cks. There was one in particular whom if I heard he'd done something like this I wouldn't be a bit surprised. It's a bubble.

Wow!!

SC024

this is all very harrowing in itself of course i wouldn't wish it on any one but it has to be said that there is woman all over the country going through alot worse than this on a weekly basis but there's none of that making the national news.

Psychiatric Patrick

SC024 wrote: »

this is all very harrowing in itself of course i wouldn't wish it on any one but it has to be said that there is woman all over the country going through alot worse than this on a weekly basis but there's none of that making the national news.

Which is one of the reasons that Aoibheann Ni Shuilleabhain has gone public with all this.

bigroad

Is Noel Kelly her agent.

Loafing Oaf

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

Which is one of the reasons that Aoibheann Ni Shuilleabhain has gone public with all this.

I believe this is kind of the logic of the #metoo movement. If prominent women go public about their experience of abuse/harassment, even if it is not at the most severe end of the spectrum, it will hopefully help to empower 'ordinary' women who have suffered whatever kind of abuse, including rape and physical violence, to speak out/fight back.

WoollyRedHat

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

This is the bit I don't get. Even aside from the obligation on the institution to protect all employees, particularly female ones, from this sort of harassment, Aoibhinn Ní Shúilleabháin is possibly the best-known young academic in the country. Surely someone in the office would have said hang on, if we don't sort this out and the story gets into the public domain, we will get absolutely slaughtered over it...

You would think so wouldn't you, but there are stories that the UCD top communications honcho isn't such s nice character to deal with, so it's not so surprising they are keeping so quiet as a result

I can tell you this much from my experiences in UCD and knowing people that work there, if you are an academic that is bringing in massive amounts of funding for the university which equates to sizeable overheads directly payable for the university, they are extremely slow in taking action, because they don't want to lose their money trees., even if the academic in question has been engaged in constant bullying of direct staff as well as continuous abuse to support staff that have the misfortune of having to deal with them.

It's widespread, it's endemic and the rot comes from the top, from the president, down to the governing authority of UCD as well as the HR lackeys, they all cast a blind eye to it. Which is surprising for a university obsessed with it's 'Reputation'. More like protecting it


More scandals to come UCD is crawling in them, this is only the beginning, Deeks will be lucky to see.the year out, also expect a lot of 'Early retirements' and departures from a so-called restructuring in the next while.

Kaybaykwah

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

When have I been thin skinned?

It shouldn't bother you that I shortened your handle to Psycho, it just makes it easier.

DellyBelly

Computer Science Student wrote: »

The biggest takeaway from the whole thing for me is how on earth did Ryan Tubridy manage to marry Aoibheann Ni Shuileabhain and in a similar but less baffling vein, how did he manage to blow it?

Never knew they were married.. But I agree how did he let her go. She's a stunner. Must be his second divorce now?

Psychiatric Patrick

Kaybaykwah wrote: »

It shouldn't bother you that I shortened your handle to Psycho, it just makes it easier.

As I said in a later more relevant post which you are not quoting I found it amusing because you say "with all due respect" but there is none and then you attempt to provoke some negative response by using Psycho.

like I mentioned earlier some of you folks wouldn't have survived in the days before political correctness went mad.

Tork

DellyBelly wrote: »

Never knew they were married.. But I agree how did he let her go. She's a stunner. Must be his second divorce now?

Typical. A thread about something serious degenerates into a vehicle for people to make snarky comments about her ex (boyfriend!) who was long off the scene before this kicked off. What difference does it make who she once dated?

elperello

DellyBelly wrote: »

Never knew they were married.. But I agree how did he let her go. She's a stunner. Must be his second divorce now?

Tork wrote: »

Typical. A thread about something serious degenerates into a vehicle for people to make snarky comments about her ex (boyfriend!) who was long off the scene before this kicked off. What difference does it make who she once dated?

Agree that RT has no part in this woman's story of harassment.

Just to clear it up and hopefully draw a line under it, as I stated in an earlier post herself and RT were never married to each other.

Baggly

Mod

Hopefully that part of the discussion has ended anyway, but just so its clear - move on from the Ryan Tubridy stuff. He has nothing to do with this incident.

Kaybaykwah

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

As I said in a later more relevant post which you are not quoting I found it amusing because you say "with all due respect" but there is none and then you attempt to provoke some negative response by using Psycho.

like I mentioned earlier some of you folks wouldn't have survived in the days before political correctness went mad.

Okay, the fact I announced I was being respectful seems to have stirred bad feelings in you. I commiserate. I didn't choose your handle, you did.

As for name calling, this doesn't call up the idea of survival that you claim, unless it were insistent to the point of harassment. I don't know how old you are to say that most of us would not have survived "name calling", of all things. That is a pretty juvenile assertion to me.

Tork

I see there's a follow-up of sorts in today's Irish Times from Dr Marie Keenan who teaches in UCD. There's nothing new in the article if you've come to the conclusion that the powers that be in UCD have no interest in tackling this issue, even when brought to them by a lecturer. Still, it's interesting that somebody else has broken ranks, so to speak.