1000s of pigs killed in fire in Co Down

Thelonious Monk

https://www.thejournal.ie/up-to-2000-pigs-killed-in-farm-blaze-in-co-down-5198692-Sep2020/

This is just horrific. Apart from a few free range producers, pigs are kept in horrible cramped conditions indoors and never see the light of day during their whole lives.
Do you ever think of this when you're eating pork products? Or do people just not care? I haven't eaten it myself in years, mostly due to how they are reared and the fact that they are intelligent animals, as intelligent as dogs.
It's weird how any article about a few dogs found stray or abandoned has people going nuts looking for people to be executed but a horrible story like this just gets smoky bacon jokes. Cognitive dissonance or whatever.
I look forward to the pig jokes below...

suicide_circus

There is such a thing as free range pork but it rare that you'd see it.

Thelonious Monk

suicide_circus wrote: »

There is such a thing as free range pork but it rare that you'd see it.

Dunnes actually sell a range of it, I've seen it there. But generally speaking no it all comes from these horrible intensive farms.

suicide_circus

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Dunnes actually sell a range of it, I've seen it there. But generally speaking no it all comes from these horrible intensive farms.

Must look out for it

jimgoose

suicide_circus wrote: »

Must look out for it

I think that would be Oliver Carty Pork & Bacon of Athlone. Their free-range rashers are quite good and not terribly expensive.

Thelonious Monk

jimgoose wrote: »

I think that would be Oliver Carty Pork & Bacon of Athlone. Their free-range rashers are quite good and not terribly expensive.

I think it would be impossible to meet the demand for sausages etc if all pigs were reared free range. Would take a lot of land too.
The reality is unless we eat less pork these horrible intensive indoor farms will continue. What a horrible story, it really is outrageous animals are kept like this. People go nuts over puppy farming but just ignore these horrors.

Donald Trump

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I look forward to the pig jokes below...

What is a pigs favourite karate move called?

The pork-chop

Coming soon to a Christmas cracker near you!

Thelonious Monk

Donald Trump wrote: »

What is a pigs favourite karate move called?

The pork-chop

Coming soon to a Christmas cracker near you!

I wish there was a downvote button

suicide_circus

Wouldnt be buying sausages, rashers etc much. If i'm buying pork it'll be shoulder or chops

Donald Trump

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I think it would be impossible to meet the demand for sausages etc if all pigs were reared free range. Would take a lot of land too.
The reality is unless we eat less pork these horrible intensive indoor farms will continue. What a horrible story, it really is outrageous animals are kept like this. People go nuts over puppy farming but just ignore these horrors.

You are free to buy a farm and let whatever pigs you like roam free on it.




Other than that, for people trying to make a living rearing pigs, they have to obey market forces and efficiency in order to try to survive on very low margins. If people didn't want pork then they wouldn't be rearing them.

Donald Trump

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I wish there was a downvote button

Don't worry - I'm sure that they will find out who started that fire.




Someone always squeals eventually!

Hande hoche!

Probably a toss up between the pig or chicken as to who has it worse. Easier to find alternative arrangements with poultry.

suicide_circus wrote: »

Wouldnt be buying sausages, rashers etc much. If i'm buying pork it'll be shoulder or chops

Probably better for it. Nitrites etc.

Donald Trump

Given that it was up the north, is there a possible sectarian angle to the fire tragedy?

Does anyone know whether they were Protestant pigs or Catholic pigs?

Thelonious Monk

Donald Trump wrote: »

Given that it was up the north, is there a possible sectarian angle to the fire tragedy?

Does anyone know whether they were Protestant pigs or Catholic pigs?

You're a sad bastard

Donald Trump

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

You're a sad bastard

I'm not the one crying over a few pigs


The pigs would be dead in a few weeks anyway Einstein. You're not saving the world with your virtue signalling on here

Gatling

Crap the price of bacon could increase serious topic now

jimgoose

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I think it would be impossible to meet the demand for sausages etc if all pigs were reared free range. Would take a lot of land too.
The reality is unless we eat less pork these horrible intensive indoor farms will continue. What a horrible story, it really is outrageous animals are kept like this. People go nuts over puppy farming but just ignore these horrors.

Wouldn't surprise me if those pig-houses were way short of code - they're supposed to be almost totally fireproof, all concrete and asbestos back in the day, gypsum or similar these days.

Thelonious Monk

jimgoose wrote: »

Wouldn't surprise me if those pig-houses were way short of code - they're supposed to be almost totally fireproof, all concrete and asbestos back in the day, gypsum or similar these days.

The North have been in the news for this before

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/pigs-eat-alive-cannibal-farm-ballymena-northern-ireland-meat-animal-rights-a9289376.html

Pigs were found eating each other alive or with gaping wounds in scenes of “extreme neglect and abuse” at a farm certified as “high quality”, campaigners have claimed.

Animal-rights activists filmed cannibalism, bodies left on the floor, and pigs covered in dirt in crowded pens at the farm in Northern Ireland.

jimgoose

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

The North have been in the news for this before

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/pigs-eat-alive-cannibal-farm-ballymena-northern-ireland-meat-animal-rights-a9289376.html

Oh, there are some terrible lighten fuckers in that business, right enough.

fret_wimp2

This is the result of a race to the bottom for meat prices.
Its too cheap. Shouldnt be able to get 5 breasts of chicken for a fiver, a kilo joint of beef for a tenner or 500g of rashers for a fiver, or 12 eggs for 2 quid.
Some things are expensive to produce. cut costs and the first thing to to is non profit generating items and areas such as welfare.

Meat should cost whatever it costs to produce without overt cruelty to the animals. if it costs more, and less is produced then there are wins in other areas, mainly for the environment.

Before its insinuated, im not vegetarian, vegan or anything else. I enjoy my meat, dairy & poultry.

Thelonious Monk

fret_wimp2 wrote: »

This is the result of a race to the bottom for meat prices.
Its too cheap. Shouldnt be able to get 5 breasts of chicken for a fiver, a kilo joint of beef for a tenner or 500g of rashers for a fiver, or 12 eggs for 2 quid.
Some things are expensive to produce. cut costs and the first thing to to is non profit generating items and areas such as welfare.

Meat should cost whatever it costs to produce without overt cruelty to the animals. if it costs more, and less is produced then there are wins in other areas, mainly for the environment.

Before its insinuated, im not vegetarian, vegan or anything else. I enjoy my meat, dairy & poultry.

Yes it doesn't really make sense that you can get a chicken fillet cheaper than a can of f*cking Monster.

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neris

Bet there was a lovely bacon smell lingering in the air locally

Seamai

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Probably a toss up between the pig or chicken as to who has it worse. Easier to find alternative arrangements with poultry.

Yeah, I've often had this arguement with people.
Pigs are probably the most intelligent of all farm animals and acutely aware of their surroundings. Some people love getting up on their high horses claiming they'd never eat veal because of the tight conditions the calves are kept in but never give a second thought for poor pigs when tucking into their crispy bacon.

padd b1975

Pigs are very sociable and intelligent animals.


It's a shame they're so damn tasty.

Donald Trump

Seamai wrote: »

Yeah, I've often had this arguement with people.
Pigs are probably the most intelligent of all farm animals and acutely aware of their surroundings. Some people love getting up on their high horses claiming they'd never eat veal because of the tight conditions the calves are kept in but never give a second thought for poor pigs when tucking into their crispy bacon.

I don't know about that. We used to have a donkey here who actually published many peer-reviewed papers on topics such as group theory and differential geometry.


He was very well regarded and won many prizes and awards for his contributions. You could say that he was out standing in his field

suicide_circus

Prof. Don Key

Smee_Again

Donald Trump wrote: »

I don't know about that. We used to have a donkey here who actually published many peer-reviewed papers on topics such as group theory and differential geometry.


He was very well regarded and won many prizes and awards for his contributions. You could say that he was out standing in his field

You're really flogging a dead horse with all these farm jokes.

Donald Trump

Smee_Again wrote: »

You're really flogging a dead horse with all these farm jokes.

To be honest, he was a pain to be around for any length of time.


An awful smart-ass so he was

jam_mac_jam

I always buy free range chicken and eggs, it doesn't bother me to pay more. I wish there was more free range pork. I will try Dunnes as it was mentioned that its sold there.

Donald Trump

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I always buy free range chicken and eggs, it doesn't bother me to pay more. I wish there was more free range pork. I will try Dunnes as it was mentioned that its sold there.

Just be aware that "free-range" might not mean exactly what you envision it to be.



It will of course be better than factory-style production but that doesn't necessarily mean carefree animals wandering freely around a farm