Daughter not happy with LC results - anyone else?

rainbowtrout

Wanderer78 wrote: »

ideally yes, but it doesnt necessarily have to be

..and you wonder why some people think, some public sector workers dont relate to some private sector workers! im sorry to brake it to you, but this is in fact our reality, again, this is a relatively new development in society, i.e. more than one income families, this is our currently reality for many, possibly most, and our educational system has changed to reflect this critical social change. are parents feeling guilty for their kids, for not being their for them, and compensate by doing things for them, in which they should being doing themselves?

what i mean is, im alarmed that a teacher cannot see these possibilities, when in fact ive had indebt discussions with mental health professionals, some who inwhich interact regularly with our educational system, who more or less agree with me, again, im not asking you to do more, im asking the system to do more

Yes you are. If you want the education system to provide life skills to students, then it is teachers who will have to do it.

Parents choose to have kids, they are ultimately responsible for raising them. There are still a cohort of parents who manage to instill life skills in their children and accept no nonsense. Lots choose the other. I'm not picking up the slack for mollycoddled children who are not used to being told no.

Amazing that you manage to get a dig in about public sector workers into that, like PS workers don't have kids either, or have two working parents in their households. Really it just seems to be a thinly veiled dig at the public service when it comes down to it.

Wanderer78

rainbowtrout wrote: »

Yes you are. If you want the education system to provide life skills to students, then it is teachers who will have to do it.

Parents choose to have kids, they are ultimately responsible for raising them. There are still a cohort of parents who manage to instill life skills in their children and accept no nonsense. Lots choose the other. I'm not picking up the slack for mollycoddled children who are not used to being told no.

Amazing that you manage to get a dig in about public sector workers into that, like PS workers don't have kids either, or have two working parents in their households. Really it just seems to be a thinly veiled dig at the public service when it comes down to it.

but i am not, this conversation is actually becoming somewhat disturbing now, again, im asking an educational system to teach these skills, not you personally, you are only one segment of a system, you arent a whole system., you are a part of the system, and a critical part at that.

again, is there a disconnect between some public sector workers occurring and some private sector workers?

im not having a dig, i come from a family of public sector workers, i still have family working in the public sector, theyre actually teachers, and they work damn hard, just like you.

TheBlackPill

Wanderer78 wrote: »

once again, what are the external factors most likely causing this, and please dont default to' 'personal responsibility'?

Parental responsibility

Wanderer78

TheBlackPill wrote: »

Parental responsibility

...i.e. 'personal responsibility', i could go around in circles here with this one folks, may i suggest the work of another fellow educator, noam chomsky, he does an exceptional job of explaining these critical social problems occurring, regarding our educational systems

rainbowtrout

Wanderer78 wrote: »

but i am not, this conversation is actually becoming somewhat disturbing now, again, im asking an educational system to teach these skills, not you personally, you are only one segment of a system, you arent a whole system., you are a part of the system, and a critical part at that.

again, is there a disconnect between some public sector workers occurring and some private sector workers?

im not having a dig, i come from a family of public sector workers, i still have family working in the public sector, theyre actually teachers, and they work damn hard, just like you.

It’s disingenuous to describe the conversation as disturbing just because people won’t row in with your opinion.

If you expect ‘the education system’ to provide these skills, it is teachers who have to provide them. There are no two ways about that.

TheBlackPill

Wanderer78 wrote: »

...i.e. 'personal responsibility', i could go around in circles here with this one folks, may i suggest the work of another fellow educator, noam chomsky, he does an exceptional job of explaining these critical social problems occurring, regarding our educational systems

I am not budging. I am open to new ideas, and i have enough of the linguist turned polemists ideas at this stage of my life, strange i would never consider Chomsky an educator

Wanderer78

rainbowtrout wrote: »

It’s disingenuous to describe the conversation as disturbing just because people won’t row in with your opinion.

If you expect ‘the education system’ to provide these skills, it is teachers who have to provide them. There are no two ways about that.

by any chance do none teachers ever enter the system, to educate students? of course teachers teach, and teachers could of course teach alternative subject matters, again, you re clearly not the person to teach them these alternatives, as your area of knowledge is science

TheBlackPill wrote: »

I am not budging. I am open to new ideas, and i have enough of the linguist turned polemists ideas at this stage of my life, strange i would never consider Chomsky an educator

he is indeed, hes a professor

TheBlackPill

Wanderer78 wrote: »

by any chance do none teachers ever enter the system, to educate students? of course teachers teach, and teachers could of course teach alternative subject matters, again, you re clearly not the person to teach them these alternatives, as your area of knowledge is science:confused




he is indeed, hes a professor

The professorship is his side hustle. And yes professors are educators too, providing advanced instruction and supervision to 3rd level students, not teaching these students the basics which they are meant to learn at home eg coping skills, proper attitudes, resilliance, consent(ie how to be a decent person)
Even Chompsky would baulk at teaching some of the things you want educators to teach., unless he could use the teaching as a stick to beat America.

Wanderer78

TheBlackPill wrote: »

The professorship is his side hustle. And yes professors are educators too, providing advanced instruction and supervision to 3rd level students, not teaching these students the basics which they are meant to learn at home eg coping skills, proper attitudes, resilliance, consent(ie how to be a decent person)
Even Chompsky would baulk at teaching some of the things you want educators to teach., unless he could use the teaching as a stick to beat America.

his professorship is not a side hustle, im sure he has worked very hard to achieve his successes in academia, you re not exactly painting yourself in glory here, attempting to deride a much respected educator.

once again, im not asking you to teach these skills, your chosen element of education is science! ive explained why some students have failed to gain these critical life skills, but you have a refusal to accept this differing opinion, in which i have had professionals confirm my opinion, yes its entirely possible chomsky himself wouldnt be interested in teaching such things, like you, he has other interests

TheBlackPill

Wanderer78 wrote: »

his professorship is not a side hustle, im sure he has worked very hard to achieve his successes in academia, you re not exactly painting yourself in glory here, attempting to deride a much respected educator.

once again, im not asking you to teach these skills, your chosen element of education is science! ive explained why some students have failed to gain these critical life skills, but you have a refusal to accept this differing opinion, in which i have had professionals confirm my opinion, yes its entirely possible chomsky himself wouldnt be interested in teaching such things, like you, he has other interests

Ok so the polemics and the political agitation is his side hussle and thanks for acknowledging that the great man himself wouldn't be interested in taking on a surrogate parent role for overgrown children. Professionals can be just like other people too, and will agree with a particular dogged person, just to get rid of them. I agree totally with you

rainbowtrout

Wanderer78 wrote: »

his professorship is not a side hustle, im sure he has worked very hard to achieve his successes in academia, you re not exactly painting yourself in glory here, attempting to deride a much respected educator.

once again, im not asking you to teach these skills, your chosen element of education is science! ive explained why some students have failed to gain these critical life skills, but you have a refusal to accept this differing opinion, in which i have had professionals confirm my opinion, yes its entirely possible chomsky himself wouldnt be interested in teaching such things, like you, he has other interests

But you are still ignoring the fact that you are still expecting teachers to teach them. They are skills that can and should be learned in the home.

CrabRevolution

Wanderer78 wrote: »

...i.e. 'personal responsibility', i could go around in circles here with this one folks, may i suggest the work of another fellow educator, noam chomsky, he does an exceptional job of explaining these critical social problems occurring, regarding our educational systems

Your debating tactic is like saying "Explain to me why things fall towards the ground, and I don't accept the "gravity" argument. Try something better"

Wanderer78

TheBlackPill wrote: »

Ok so the polemics and the political agitation is his side hussle and thanks for acknowledging that the great man himself wouldn't be interested in taking on a surrogate parent role for overgrown children. Professionals can be just like other people too, and will agree with a particular dogged person, just to get rid of them. I agree totally with you

once, trying to deride a much respected person, who i suspect is far more respected than yourself. once again, im not saying you personally should teach these critical life skills!

rainbowtrout wrote: »

But you are still ignoring the fact that you are still expecting teachers to teach them. They are skills that can and should be learned in the home.

no im not, this truly is an extremely bizarre conversation, yes teachers could indeed teach these skills, but other trained citizens could also, within the educational system! once again, yes, traditionally these skills would have been thought at home, but may not be occurring nowadays, for the reasons outlined earlier, our educational system needs to change in order to facilitate this major change in society.

Hoboo

rainbowtrout wrote: »

But you are still ignoring the fact that you are still expecting teachers to teach them. They are skills that can and should be learned in the home.

Spot on. Teachers arent even experts in their own field, the majority have no more than the basics to degree level. And once you have a good relationship with someone in the school, a pass degree is acceptable. How can someone with a pass degree then teach when they can barely pass the exam to do so? Not a chance would I want some 25 year old arts grad teaching my kids anything other than the basic curriculum they are barely qualified to.

Wanderer78

CrabRevolution wrote: »

Your debating tactic is like saying "Explain to me why things fall towards the ground, and I don't accept the "gravity" argument. Try something better"

please explain?

TheBlackPill

Wanderer78 wrote: »

please explain?

love your sense of humour

Millionaire only not

Saga goes on
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/education/errors-found-in-leaving-cert-calculated-grades-system-39575956.html

Icsics

There's no end to this mess, so much for all their 'reassurances'

upinthesky

upinthesky wrote: »

My son did HL Irish and German right up until the last minute but was recommended for him to drop down to OL as he was just about scrapping a pass in both.

He got only a O5 in both which i think was unfair, would you see this as a correct score, i think he would have made a pass if he continued with HL?

Just to add to this my son ranked 1 in his Irish and 2 in his German class so cannot understand his results, maybe his appeal will be successful as they have now said there were errors in the system..