To Mask or not to two - Mask Megathread cont.

Irish Stones

patnor1011 wrote: »

Notto mention that when someone with thicker mask is talking his or her voice is muffled so you naturally come closer to understand hence more risk for you.

This is driving me insane, people that don't hear because of masks and distance, and ask to come again.

Seanergy

Irish Stones wrote: »

Like when you take a new path at a Y-junction, then you realize this is the bad/wrong path only when you walked several miles... Would you walk back to the junction and take the other path, or continue on the path you're on?
Some would walk on, because it's more convenient.

Same old same old, at it again.

How was mask wearing the bad/wrong path?

is_that_so

Irish Stones wrote: »

So let me rephrase it.
Because these measures worked during the pandemic to prevent the spreading of the disease, while shouldn't they work to prevent (or reduce the spreading of) any other pandemic in the future?

One would hope that we have a wider, better range of tools if there is another one.

Seanergy

Irish Stones wrote: »

So let me rephrase it.
Becausethese measures worked during the pandemic to prevent the spreading of the disease, while shouldn't they work to prevent (or reduce the spreading of) any other pandemic in the future?

What's highlighted in BOLD needs correcting aswell. There is no why shouldn't they work, NNPIs work, zero debate.



Same thing over and over again in your posts, your constantly twisting the efficacy of masks.

Seanergy

Seanergy wrote: »

Anyone know if this all began because the youths were thrown off for not masking?

https://twitter.com/gloverstweets/status/1391453191842242563

3 of the 12 questioned by AGS yesterday, zero confirmation yet that they were tossed off the DART for not wearing masks.

If they were it could help explain how they hit out at strangers with kicks to the faces and spitting to the face.

Was the first cyclists foot trying to remove her mask or kick her in the mask?

Was the spitter sharing his droplets as a protest to her protecting herself from his droplets?

Was all the twitching playing on the groups belief that all those who are masking are doing so out of fear?

Is this the ugliest/biggest anti-mask violence to have occurred in Ireland since laws were intoduced?

Sconsey

patnor1011 wrote: »

Notto mention that when someone with thicker mask is talking his or her voice is muffled so you naturally come closer to understand hence more risk for you.

Such crap, maybe you come closer, but don't assume just because you do something stupid, that everyone else is stupid too.

Sconsey

patnor1011 wrote: »

Put on a mask, say surgical one or any of the type mostly in use here and go to walk in freezer. Then you will see how vapor escape masks which very well may contain virus simply due to the fact that even the best of N95 mask do have 0.3 micron holes while virus is 5-10x smaller.
These masks aren’t helping others much and they certainly are not helping the people wearing them, who can suffer from pneumonia after bacteria builds up in the mouth and throat all day.
Yes, they stop spit and sneeze to travel far but getting infected is rather a matter of the time you spend with someone with infection.

More crap, do a tiny bit of reasearch and you will see that the mask weave will trap droplets and a huge proportion of aerosolized particles. You seem to think aerosolized particles form an orderly queue for the gaps in the mask, they don't, ta large proportion get caught up in the mask fibres. Thus reducing the risk of spreading the virus.

Samsonsmasher

Loads of people wearing masks outside although the CDC in the US said weeks ago there's no need to wear masks outside.

Now Joe Biden echoed the CDC who say vaccinated peopls don't have to wear masks.

The numbers of deaths and hospitalizations and cases are so low and a cursory look around unless your glasses aren't steamed up demonstrates social distancing in public parks and everywhere else is non existent.

Anyone with a brain would have seen beauty spots beaches parks and so forth were packed last year and will be packed once again this weekend.

Why are people still wearing masks?

odyssey06

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

Loads of people wearing masks outside although the CDC in the US said weeks ago there's no need to wear masks outside.
Now Joe Biden echoed the CDC who say vaccinated peopls don't have to wear masks.
The numbers of deaths and hospitalizations and cases are so low and a cursory look around unless your glasses aren't steamed up demonstrates social distancing in public parks and everywhere else is non existent.

Anyone with a brain would have seen beauty spots beaches parks and so forth were packed last year and will be packed once again this weekend.

Why are people still wearing masks?

Not really clear what point you are trying to make
... "anyone with a brain could have seen"???

You're talking about outdoors and the US then you ask why people are still wearing masks fullstop (or is it period)? If you want to talk about masks outdoors that's a very different discussion to masks indoors.
If you are talking about the US, it has more people vaccinated than Ireland.
We still need to get through 40-60 age group and cohort 7 (those at high risk of severe covid) at least imo.

The people I see wearing masks outside in Ireland, most usually when it looks like they are coming from or going to shops.
People are still wearing masks in shops and on public transport, as per public health regs and as we still have hundreds of cases daily and there are more transmissible variants in circulation.

Sconsey

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

Loads of people wearing masks outside although the CDC in the US said weeks ago there's no need to wear masks outside.

So what? how does that impact you?

Now Joe Biden echoed the CDC who say vaccinated peopls don't have to wear masks.

So are the people you see vaccinated or not? how would you even know?

The numbers of deaths and hospitalizations and cases are so low and a cursory look around unless your glasses aren't steamed up demonstrates social distancing in public parks and everywhere else is non existent.

I see people distancing outdoors all the time. Non-existent? get a grip.

Anyone with a brain would have seen beauty spots beaches parks and so forth were packed last year and will be packed once again this weekend.

What has this to do with masks?

Why are people still wearing masks?

Because they are still mandated.

Unicorn Milk Latte

Haven't read the whole thread, but maybe a collection of the basic facts makes sense:


- Covid-19 is spread by respiratory droplets

- large respiratory droplets, that are produced by coughing and sneezing
- small respiratory droplets - aerosols - which are produced by speaking and breathing. Behaviour is similar to cigarette smoke.
- the virus does not travel 'on its own', it's always part of a respiratory droplet. So while the physical size of the droplet is relevant, the size of the virus itself is not.

- aerosols quickly accumulate indoors, and quickly disperse outdoors. Like cigarette smoke.


- infection depends on virus load - how much virus someone inhales

- the mechanism of spread is clusters and super spreaders. Works like this: if you have r=2 (one person infects 2 others), and look at a group of 10 people, you do not have 10 persons infecting 2 others each, you have 9 persons infecting ~1, and 1 person infecting ~11

- masks are not worn to protect the person who wears it, they are worn to protect others

- what masks prevent is not any viral droplets to be exhaled, but reducing the amount viral droplets - like preventing someone from blowing cigarette smoke into your face

- this means: if a mask has enough impact to reduce the amount of exhaled virus of one super spreader enough so that the people around him/her do not get infected, something that is in isolation relatively ineffective does become highly effective.

odyssey06

Unicorn Milk Latte wrote: »

Haven't read the whole thread, but maybe a collection of the basic facts makes sense:

- infection depends on virus load - how much virus someone inhales
- masks are not worn to protect the person who wears it, they are worn to protect others
- what masks prevent is not any viral droplets to be exhaled, but reducing the amount viral droplets - like preventing someone from blowing cigarette smoke into your face

Broadly speaking yes, although some masks (e.g. N95) do offer direct protection to the wearer and it's theorised that say surgical masks would offer some protection to the wearer from viral load.

saneman

odyssey06 wrote: »

Broadly speaking yes, although some masks (e.g. N95) do offer direct protection to the wearer and it's theorised that say surgical masks would offer some protection to the wearer from viral load.

Along with that I would argue that some protection is also offered to wearers of face coverings, at least in reducing viral load & severity of the disease.

Filtration in masks is not just a "catch large fish in a net, small fish can escape" function. Other mechanisms such as diffusion also come into play when dealing with microscopic particles. Because of Brownian motion such particles travel in erratic paths increasing the chance that they collide with fibres and remain there, even if the particles are smaller than the "gaps" in the material. Multiple layers increase this chance further.

PPE masks are most effective at protecting the wearer, face coverings would be less so (and given the variety out there it's a non-trivial task to put a blanket value on the level of protection) but they're not ineffective. In any case the risk reduction would be cumulative when all parties are wearing masks.

xhomelezz

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

Loads of people wearing masks outside although the CDC in the US said weeks ago there's no need to wear masks outside.

Now Joe Biden echoed the CDC who say vaccinated peopls don't have to wear masks.

The numbers of deaths and hospitalizations and cases are so low and a cursory look around unless your glasses aren't steamed up demonstrates social distancing in public parks and everywhere else is non existent.

Anyone with a brain would have seen beauty spots beaches parks and so forth were packed last year and will be packed once again this weekend.

Why are people still wearing masks?

Precautions were and are in place.

What is your post about?

Kermit.de.frog

Chuzzle7

They should not be hiding behind placards with their anti-mask tripe.

Seanergy

https://twitter.com/Quicktake/status/1393283748754567174

NovemberWren

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

There is the very correct argument that now it is: Vaccine Apartheid.

Anyhow, - the 'Attack' now on the HSE! LOL. Their computers being infiltrated by malware.
By somewhere in eastern europe. maybe they know something we don't.

NovemberWren

NovemberWren wrote: »

There is the very correct argument that now it is: Vaccine Apartheid.

Anyhow, - the 'Attack' now on the HSE! LOL. Their computers being infiltrated by malware.
By somewhere in eastern europe. maybe they know something we don't.

They know how to be c*nts, and are in the crosshairs for a number of other hacker groups for targeting hospitals.

Baggly

Mod

Stay on topic, report posts that are issues, dont dump videos / links without your own opinions included. Few posts deleted to tidy up.

gozunda

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

Loads of people wearing masks outside although the CDC in the US said weeks ago there's no need to wear masks outside.

Now Joe Biden echoed the CDC who say vaccinated peopls don't have to wear masks.

The numbers of deaths and hospitalizations and cases are so low and a cursory look around unless your glasses aren't steamed up demonstrates social distancing in public parks and everywhere else is non existent.

Anyone with a brain would have seen beauty spots beaches parks and so forth were packed last year and will be packed once again this weekend.

Why are people still wearing masks?

You are badly wrong with that ....

The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) changed their guidance on face masks, saying that fully vaccinated people no longer need them in most places

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/cdc-ease-mask-guidance-vaccinated-people-sources-2021-05-13/

Seanergy

Looks like the weekend is meant to shock her into the seriousness of the situation, she could end up getting the full 2 months.

Cork woman (66) jailed for weekend after refusing to wear a mask. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/district-court/cork-woman-66-jailed-for-weekend-after-refusing-to-wear-a-mask-1.4571444

“If she wants to be released [FROM CUSTODY)]she will have to put a mask on. I am concerned about her decision-making.”

The judge said that Ms Buttimer had turned up in the body of the court “without a mask, but worse still a smile on her face as if this is something to laugh about”.

paw patrol

Chuzzle7 wrote: »

They should not be hiding behind placards with their anti-mask tripe.

aren't you the brave fellow slagging off women and kids.


the kids know more than you as well having more backbone to rely on their immune system to do it job.

xhomelezz

paw patrol wrote: »

aren't you the brave fellow slagging off women and kids.


the kids know more than you as well having more backbone to rely on their immune system to do it job.

Or brave parents using kids to promote whatever it is, behind placards.

So brave.

And yes some kids definitely know more.

odyssey06

paw patrol wrote: »

aren't you the brave fellow slagging off women and kids. the kids know more than you as well having more backbone to rely on their immune system to do it job.

Aren't you the brave fellow throwing women and kids as missiles when you obviously have no concern for whether they live or die.

Yeah, we should strop vaccinating kids full stop and let them die of measles and TB. Do you think kids should know whether to take those vaccines? Do you think they've done extensive research on immune system v vaccines offered?
No, when you're a kid you think you are immortal.
We had lots of dead kids before modern medicine.
I guess they didn't rely on their immune system enough?
Do you think the invention of soap was a backwards step?
I guess we should still be relying on our immune system.

What absolute anti-vax anti-mask morally and intellectually bankrupt nonsense. It's medieval garbage.
Don't wash. Don't have a bath. Don't need clean water. Otherwise you're weak and didn't rely on your immune system.

pjohnson

paw patrol wrote: »

aren't you the brave fellow slagging off women and kids.


the kids know more than you as well having more backbone to rely on their immune system to do it job.

The kids probably do know more than anti-vax goons tbh.

And wait till they get an education how much smarter they'll actually be!

patnor1011

odyssey06 wrote: »

Aren't you the brave fellow throwing women and kids as missiles when you obviously have no concern for whether they live or die.

Yeah, we should strop vaccinating kids full stop and let them die of measles and TB. Do you think kids should know whether to take those vaccines? Do you think they've done extensive research on immune system v vaccines offered?
No, when you're a kid you think you are immortal.
We had lots of dead kids before modern medicine.
I guess they didn't rely on their immune system enough?
Do you think the invention of soap was a backwards step?
I guess we should still be relying on our immune system.

Oh come on. A little over the top don't you think? Even "science" agree a little dirt is not bad at all. Ever hear about hygiene hypothesis?
https://www.allergystandards.com/news_events/hygiene-hypothesis/

odyssey06 wrote: »

What absolute anti-vax anti-mask morally and intellectually bankrupt nonsense. It's medieval garbage.
Don't wash. Don't have a bath. Don't need clean water. Otherwise you're weak and didn't rely on your immune system.

Why are you creating nonsense like this and trying to attribute it to someone else? Like it is something he said or advocated for.

xhomelezz

patnor1011 wrote: »

Oh come on. A little over the top don't you think? Even "science" agree a little dirt is not bad at all. Ever hear about hygiene hypothesis?
https://www.allergystandards.com/news_events/hygiene-hypothesis/



Why are you creating nonsense like this and trying to attribute it to someone else? Like it is something he said or advocated for.

Even little dirt can do the damage.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetanus

And how to prevent it?

Vaccine.

Unicorn Milk Latte

paw patrol wrote: »

... to rely on their immune system to do it job.

It's been a over a year, and some people have still not caught on to the fact that masks are not there to protect the wearer, but to protect others.

Yes, the immune system of most kids can fight off Covid.

But their immune system cannot protect others. The immune system does not prevent transmission. Transmission to the friend of a friend who receives chemo. Or has an autoimmune disease.


Refusing to participate in the protection of the weakest in society is antisocial.

Seanergy

UK data indicates that children should be wearing masks in both primary and secondary schools.

https://twitter.com/Orla_Hegarty/status/1396390105619865601