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To Mask or not to two - Mask Megathread cont.

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    #512
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    pjohnson wrote: »
    I hope you arent one of the people "worrying" about the economy. That realllly would make you look odd.

    The economy is fcked because of these disgraceful restrictions that should not be in place


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    #513
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    GT89 wrote: »
    The economy is fcked because of these disgraceful restrictions that should not be in place

    Wearing a mask costs very little and helps keep the economy open :)


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    #514
    Sconsey
    Registered Users Posts: 1,571 ✭✭✭Sconsey


    wilkie2006 wrote: »
    You might be referring to the Hierarchy of Evidence? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchy_of_evidence#:~:text=A%20hierarchy%20of%20evidence%20(or,proposed%20for%20assessing%20medical%20evidence.

    It was actually the Jadad scale, related to the quality of clinical trials. I thought it was bit more comprehensive than described in the link though. I remember reading about how some studies on homeopathy proved it worked but when the trials were then rated it showed they were just nonsense (no blinding, no randomization, etc.).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jadad_scale


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    #515
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users Posts: 10,642 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    A LOT more people are fed up with lockdown now. Friends of mine who would have argued with me before are agreeing with me now that a lockdown is pointless. I won’t be sticking to this one. On my way to Drogheda shopping in an hour or two. Will be hitting Carlow Wednesday for a pub crawl. You can stay under your bed.

    On behalf of all of us trying to keep our communities safe, I thank you for your cooperation and concern.


    Some piece of work!


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    #516
    BoatMad
    Registered Users Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    On behalf of all of us trying to keep our communities safe, I thank you for your cooperation and concern.


    Some piece of work!

    How do you know what’s safe and what’s not clearly pubs ,( 2 legs bad ) are not safe , yet putting 900 kids into a school designed for 650 is ( 4 legs good )


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    #517
    BoatMad
    Registered Users Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    Graham wrote: »
    Wearing a mask costs very little and helps keep the economy open :)

    Yet the numbers dropped when little mask wearing was evident , then we made them mandatory in shops, an environment where no significant treat ever arose and now with these measures the numbers are on the up

    Conclusion= masks are dealing with a risk that actually isn’t there


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    #518
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    BoatMad wrote: »
    Yet the numbers dropped when little mask wearing was evident , then we made them mandatory in shops, an environment where no significant treat ever arose and now with these measures the numbers are on the up

    Conclusion= masks are dealing with a risk that actually isn’t there

    Are we pretending Coronavirus isn't deadly to justify not wearing a mask or something else?


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    #519
    BoatMad
    Registered Users Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    Graham wrote: »
    Are we pretending Coronavirus isn't deadly to justify not wearing a mask or something else?

    No merely that hard data is extremely hard to come by and our rules seem to more a reaction to social media then properly thought out.

    ( of course this is a country where our chief medical officer admitted he gets his information from a German daily newspaper )

    Covid can kill , of course , but so can lots of things


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    #520
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    BoatMad wrote: »
    No merely that hard data is extremely hard to come by and our rules seem to more a reaction to social media then properly thought out.

    You might be reacting to social media, it's not where I'd go looking for Coronavirus advice.


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    #521
    BoatMad
    Registered Users Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    Graham wrote: »
    You might be reacting to social media, it's not where I'd go looking for Coronavirus advice.

    Social media is largely promoting a “police state “so that’s not it.


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    #522
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    BoatMad wrote: »
    Social media is largely promoting a “police state “so that’s not it.

    I definitely wouldn't be going to social media for political observations.

    For pandemic advice I'll stick with common sense, logic, and the opinions of the vast majority of qualified professionals.


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    #523
    BoatMad
    Registered Users Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    Graham wrote: »
    I definitely wouldn't be going to social media for political observations.

    For pandemic advice I'll stick with common sense, logic, and the opinions of the vast majority of qualified professionals.

    Qualified in largely liking to listen to their own importance

    Given none of these “ experts “ have studied Covid before , how can they be experts
    Equally seemingly our “ experts” know more then the WHO , EDC , etc.

    Clearly their advice has us at zero Covid

    Clearly ....

    Give me a break

    They’ve no idea and clearly are “ making it up as they go along “ no hard science no hard data , literally seat of the pants stuff

    Yep experts alright


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    #524
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users Posts: 10,642 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    BoatMad wrote: »
    How do you know what’s safe and what’s not clearly pubs ,( 2 legs bad ) are not safe , yet putting 900 kids into a school designed for 650 is ( 4 legs good )

    :confused::confused:


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    #525
    railer201
    Registered Users Posts: 968 ✭✭✭railer201


    BoatMad wrote: »
    Qualified in largely liking to listen to their own importance

    Given none of these “ experts “ have studied Covid before , how can they be experts
    Equally seemingly our “ experts” know more then the WHO , EDC , etc.

    Clearly their advice has us at zero Covid

    Clearly ....

    Give me a break

    They’ve no idea and clearly are “ making it up as they go along “ no hard science no hard data , literally seat of the pants stuff

    Yep experts alright

    Sure, so we stick with anonymous internet posters' advice instead, who clearly know even less - nothing about Covid in fact.


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    #526
    saneman
    Registered Users Posts: 214 ✭✭saneman


    BoatMad wrote: »
    Yet the numbers dropped when little mask wearing was evident , then we made them mandatory in shops, an environment where no significant treat ever arose and now with these measures the numbers are on the up

    Conclusion= masks are dealing with a risk that actually isn’t there

    Interesting conclusion given that you believe "hard data is extremely hard to come by". Or is this what you've read/seen on social media?

    Any chance that numbers dropped because of the lockdown and increased as restrictions lifted? (notwithstanding your assessment of mask wearing in public, of course)


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    #527
    saabsaab
    Registered Users Posts: 8,153 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    In world war one the armies involved moved from wearing cloth caps to steel helmets. The numbers of wounded in hospitals actually increased contrary to expectations.


    You could conclude that steel helmets were worse at protecting men in trenches. However, as more cases were surviving to be treated it wasn't the case.


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    #528
    PTH2009
    Registered Users Posts: 38,260 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    When will be the first mask related injury in terms of blaming the cut off in vision happen and will be heavily compensated by our courts ?


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    #529
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    When will be the first mask related injury in terms of blaming the cut off in vision happen and will be heavily compensated by our courts ?

    No idea. What makes you think this will happen at all?


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    #530
    saneman
    Registered Users Posts: 214 ✭✭saneman


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    When will be the first mask related injury in terms of blaming the cut off in vision happen and will be heavily compensated by our courts ?

    Hmm.. there may be some people that need to be shown how to wear a mask correctly but perhaps you've let that idea run away with you


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    #531
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,094 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    saabsaab wrote: »
    In world war one the armies involved moved from wearing cloth caps to steel helmets. The numbers of wounded in hospitals actually increased contrary to expectations.


    You could conclude that steel helmets were worse at protecting men in trenches. However, as more cases were surviving to be treated it wasn't the case.

    Also the cloth caps were to protect them from flying pointy sticks, whilst the steel helmets were to protect from bullets and other debris caused by bullets and other explosions.


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    #532
    Zebra3
    Registered Users Posts: 13,871 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Time for googles!!!

    https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2020/0922/1166680-glasses-covid-19/


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    #533
    expectationlost
    Registered Users Posts: 11,814 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    is there any good atleast large 3 layer masks with good strong nose bar that I can buy (not one that will have been delivered from the other side of the world)

    the ones a i bought a good quality cloth ones but they are too small, they don't fit over a talking mouth and come off the nose.

    somebody pm'd a recommendation and it looks like its the same ones I bought. they are just not tall enough, that noseline is very straight when it needs to more pointed.


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    #534
    saabsaab
    Registered Users Posts: 8,153 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    When will be the first mask related injury in terms of blaming the cut off in vision happen and will be heavily compensated by our courts ?


    Did it happen with people wearing hoodies or hats?


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    #535
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Saw graffiti in town today with no masks, no vac. Is that how they are expressing themselves now. While I understand the concerns with a rushed vaccine, a mask isn't some poison you're putting into your body. I just don't understand.


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    #536
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    BoatMad wrote: »
    How do you know what’s safe and what’s not clearly pubs ,( 2 legs bad ) are not safe , yet putting 900 kids into a school designed for 650 is ( 4 legs good )

    The Cozealots pick and choose what is safe and what is not. Only their opinion is correct.


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    #537
    Dubl07
    Registered Users Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭Dubl07


    expectationlost wrote: »
    is there any good atleast large 3 layer masks with good strong nose bar that I can buy (not one that will have been delivered from the other side of the world)

    I adapted the Olson mask design to be deeper, a little wider, and have a sharper chin curve to suit my older relatives and friends. Cartilage keeps growing as people age so noses and ears get bigger. It has a pocket for a replaceable layer 3 as filter, but could equally use 3 layers of cotton.

    I'm not selling, only gifting as and when I can, but if you can use a needle and thread, you can make your own to suit your personal needs and preferences. Measure the bridge of your nose to the crease under your chin and go from there. Elastic is widely available again, and you can get the flat aluminium nose pieces online.


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    #538
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 14,105 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/ixqavr/the_face_mask_wars_arrive_in_ireland/

    This is the world we live in now, shudder


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    #539
    sabat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭sabat


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/ixqavr/the_face_mask_wars_arrive_in_ireland/

    This is the world we live in now, shudder

    Have you never seen a traveller acting like that in a shop before?


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    #540
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 14,105 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    sabat wrote: »
    Have you never seen a traveller acting like that in a shop before?

    are they definitely the T word? I don't think I have, only on videos etc.


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    #541
    sabat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭sabat


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    are they definitely the T word? I don't think I have, only on videos etc.

    The girl was upset that the man called her mother a "k" which is a very scummy thing to do to a child.


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