To Mask or not to two - Mask Megathread cont.

Tork

boggerman1 wrote: »

Oh for god sake.when will the pro mask crowd admit that since masks became mandatory that the whole thing has gone tits up since.its sad the hysteria that sees people out in the fresh air on their own masked up.

Masks are just one tool to try and halt the spread of the virus. They aren't going to stop people breaking the restrictions in other ways - that's a completely different issue. It's people not taking the necessary precautions elsewhere that's driving the figures up. The thing is, the people who aren't careful walk amongst us. They're going to the same shops as we are, they're sitting in our buses, they're serving us in shops, bars and restaurants etc. That's why masks are important in these indoor places - it's to stop them potentially spreading the virus.

As for people wearing them out of doors, maybe there is a non hysterical reason. If I'm going to be going into a few shops one after the other, I just pop the mask on and leave it there until I'm done. It's more sensible than repeatedly handling it.

Why are you getting so annoyed at people wearing masks outdoors anyway? What harm are they doing to you?

Away With The Fairies

Tork wrote: »

Masks are just one tool to try and halt the spread of the virus. They aren't going to stop people breaking the restrictions in other ways - that's a completely different issue. The people who aren't careful walk amongst us. They're going to the same shops as we are, they're sitting in our buses, they're serving us in shops, bars and restaurants etc. That's why masks are important - to stop them potentially spreading the virus.

As for people wearing them out of doors, maybe there is a perfectly sensible reason. If I'm going to be going into a few shops on the bounce, I just pop the mask on and leave it there until I leave the final shop. It's more sensible than repeatedly handling it and pulling it up and down. Why are you getting so annoyed at people wearing masks outdoors anyway? What harm are they doing to you?

It's fear of having face masks permanently. And it's slowly creeping in.

robinph

patnor1011 wrote: »

Yes but if you keep going you will find that as virus get stuck on a mask traveling in a droplet you can breathe it in or through mask anyway as it gets saturated with droplets containing viruses.
So while that research was correct and mask will stop it, it should be noted that it will stop it to an extent. At some stage it become unreliable. Say that you breathe out nice amount of virus and then you sneeze through mask. It will send it flying out.

So if you are infected and breathing out contaminated particles, which then get caught by the mask, how is that a risk you you?

And if you then sneeze is it better that you do that whilst wearing a mask which will limit the spread from your mouth, or would it be better if you had been wandering around breathing openly on any and everything that you passed... and then sneezing on them as well?

And if it is someone else who has been hanging around you without a mask on and sneezing in your presence whilst being infected, well your screwed anyway, but a bit less screwed than if you were not wearing a mask as with a bit of luck their infected droplets will as you say get caught by your mask and hopefully you get a bit less infected than you would have otherwise, and maybe manage to not actually come down badly ill.

It's really not complicated.

robinph

boggerman1 wrote: »

Oh for god sake.when will the pro mask crowd admit that since masks became mandatory that the whole thing has gone tits up since.its sad the hysteria that sees people out in the fresh air on their own masked up.

Wearing of masks did coincide with increases of cases, or more specifically the availability of masks in sufficient numbers that care workers and hospital staff had sufficient supplies that telling the public to also wear masks wouldn't limit their supply.

The increase in cases also happened to coincide with people returning to work, more people going out and about, more recently schools returning, other social activities being permitted, the neowise comet being visible, it being the anniversary of September 11th and Mary across the roads birthday.

Are you blaming Mary for having a birthday being the cause of the rise in cases?

railer201

boggerman1 wrote: »

Oh for god sake.when will the pro mask crowd admit that since masks became mandatory that the whole thing has gone tits up since.its sad the hysteria that sees people out in the fresh air on their own masked up.

Where's all this wonderful mask wearing going on, besides from where people have to wear them because they are mandatory ? If you looked at all the scenarios where people should be wearing masks, as in being less than 2 meters apart from strangers then you will realise that it's the critical mass of non mask wearing that is contributing to the present surge, not the wearing.

Are families wearing masks when the neighbours or relations pop in ? Are schoolkids keeping 2 meters apart or wearing masks when trooping down the road to school ? I don't think so, at least from my observational point of view.

I walk around the nearby public park passing the 2 meter distancing signs and a hundred yards in there's a football match on - need I say more about footballers breathing heavily at close quarters, along with spitting, snotting, roaring and shouting.

So what we have going on is some mask wearing, and a load of of theoretical bullsh1t as far as I can see.

otnomart

I am in the mask camp.
Posting this study published earlier this month, as I don't think I have seen it on this forum yet.
From NEJM - New England Journal of Medicine
Facial Masking for Covid-19 — Potential for “Variolation” as We Await a Vaccine
by Monica Gandhi
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2026913
Excerpt:
If the viral inoculum matters in determining the severity of SARS-CoV-2 infection, an additional hypothesized reason for wearing facial masks would be to reduce the viral inoculum to which the wearer is exposed and the subsequent clinical impact of the disease.
Since masks can filter out some virus-containing droplets (with filtering capacity determined by mask type), masking might reduce the inoculum that an exposed person inhales.
If this theory bears out, population-wide masking, with any type of mask that increases acceptability and adherence, might contribute to increasing the proportion of SARS-CoV-2 infections that are asymptomatic.

is_that_so

railer201 wrote: »

Where's all this wonderful mask wearing going on, besides from where people have to wear them because they are mandatory ? If you looked at all the scenarios where people should be wearing masks, as in being less than 2 meters apart from strangers then you will realise that it's the critical mass of non mask wearing that is contributing to the present surge, not the wearing.

Are families wearing masks when the neighbours or relations pop in ? Are schoolkids keeping 2 meters apart or wearing masks when trooping down the road to school ? I don't think so, at least from my observational point of view.

I walk around the nearby public park passing the 2 meter distancing signs and a hundred yards in there's a football match on - need I say more about footballers breathing heavily at close quarters, along with spitting, snotting, roaring and shouting.

So what we have going on is some mask wearing, and a load of of theoretical bullsh1t as far as I can see.

They are not required outside so cool your jets there and enjoy the fine weather. As for visitors just stop observing, its their private lives and residences and none of your business whatsoever.

Seanergy

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I hate to break it to you but we are gross, sweaty, steamy, blubbering animals. We shed hair and skin and our outsides and insides are full of tiny little horror creatures and bacteria and whatnot. And we survive not despite that but because of it.

I hate to break it to you but we require a constant supply of clean air to thrive, otherwise we get sick and die.

Seanergy

patnor1011 wrote: »

Yes but if you keep going you will find that as virus get stuck on a mask traveling in a droplet you can breathe it in or through mask anyway as it gets saturated with droplets containing viruses.
So while that research was correct and mask will stop it, it should be noted that it will stop it to an extent. At some stage it become unreliable. Say that you breathe out nice amount of virus and then you sneeze through mask. It will send it flying out.

The mask does not become unreliable the user does, massive difference, this does not take away from the power of the mask

Seanergy

TODAY'S IRISH TIMES

Meanwhile, health staff have been told to wear masks when passing through busy areas of hospitals and other healthcare facilities, in addition to when they are in contact with patients.

The change in advice to healthcare workers follows expressions of concern from the public and patients over staff not wearing masks at times in health facilities.

Official guidance has yet to be updated but the change is referred to in new infection guidance and control advice for residential care facilities. To address public concerns, HSE infection control specialists have recommended “healthcare workers should be asked to wear masks when transiting through busy public areas of healthcare facilities in both the community and acute setting,” it says. This is in addition to an existing rule requiring the wearing of masks for all clinical contacts.

Residents should not be asked to wear masks all the time “but there may be times when they should wear them if they can tolerate the mask”.

CalamariFritti

Seanergy wrote: »

I hate to break it to you but we require a constant supply of clean air to thrive, otherwise we get sick and die.

Ok my language was stupid but the fact remains a sterile environment is actually detrimental to your health. Which has nothing on the masks debate so shame on me dragging us through a side story.

3xh

Seanergy wrote: »

TODAY'S IRISH TIMES

Meanwhile, health staff have been told to wear masks when passing through busy areas of hospitals and other healthcare facilities, in addition to when they are in contact with patients.

The change in advice to healthcare workers follows expressions of concern from the public and patients over staff not wearing masks at times in health facilities.

Official guidance has yet to be updated but the change is referred to in new infection guidance and control advice for residential care facilities. To address public concerns, HSE infection control specialists have recommended “healthcare workers should be asked to wear masks when transiting through busy public areas of healthcare facilities in both the community and acute setting,” it says. This is in addition to an existing rule requiring the wearing of masks for all clinical contacts.

Residents should not be asked to wear masks all the time “but there may be times when they should wear them if they can tolerate the mask”.

Wow. That is actually incredible, if true.

Trained staff with all the best PPE on offer who allegedly saw all the suffering firsthand choosing to mix between public areas and wards whilst maskless.

They obviously know something we don’t.

bush

I find it crazy I wear a mask all day in work but health care workers don't?

weldoninhio

Seanergy wrote: »

TODAY'S IRISH TIMES

Meanwhile, health staff have been told to wear masks when passing through busy areas of hospitals and other healthcare facilities, in addition to when they are in contact with patients.

The change in advice to healthcare workers follows expressions of concern from the public and patients over staff not wearing masks at times in health facilities.

Official guidance has yet to be updated but the change is referred to in new infection guidance and control advice for residential care facilities. To address public concerns, HSE infection control specialists have recommended “healthcare workers should be asked to wear masks when transiting through busy public areas of healthcare facilities in both the community and acute setting,” it says. This is in addition to an existing rule requiring the wearing of masks for all clinical contacts.

Residents should not be asked to wear masks all the time “but there may be times when they should wear them if they can tolerate the mask”.

Ridiculous. The actual email states that it’s to put the public’s mind at ease. No medical or scientific reason for it whatsoever. Yet again, the minority whingers have their will imposed on the majority.

weldoninhio

bush wrote: »

I find it crazy I wear a mask all day in work but health care workers don't?

It’s not just health care professionals. If the admin or anyone else, social worker etc in a primary care centre need to get something from the car they now have to wear a mask to walk 10m/3 seconds through the waiting area. It’s pathetic. There is no medical reason for it. The email they got says it’s to keep the public happy, not for any clinical reason.

3xh

weldoninhio wrote: »

It’s not just health care professionals. If the admin or anyone else, social worker etc in a primary care centre need to get something from the car they now have to wear a mask to walk 10m/3 seconds through the waiting area. It’s pathetic. There is no medical reason for it. The email they got says it’s to keep the public happy, not for any clinical reason.

Yep. It’s stupid. I agree.

You see it in restaurants too. Notices up saying you’ve to wear your mask going from your table to the toilet.

Graham

This virus is still airborne right?

3xh

Graham wrote: »

This virus is still airborne right?

Tbh, Graham, as we’re all starting to see today, nobody knows what’s going on with this Covid show. NPHET’s figures are thankfully being openly questioned in the oireachtas as are the tests themselves.

You think it’s airborne, going by previous posts. But the medical staff mix with the public in public areas maskless and patients in the wards with masks on.

The public are threatened with arrest for not wearing a mask in a shopping centre though.

weldoninhio

Graham wrote: »

This virus is still airborne right?

The email mentions nothing about the virus being airborne. It just says wear a mask so the public see you wearing one. No scientific reason whatsoever. PR exercise.

Sconsey

weldoninhio wrote: »

The email mentions nothing about the virus being airborne. It just says wear a mask so the public see you wearing one. No scientific reason whatsoever. PR exercise.

Is this email like your letter from your doctor friend? A figment of your imagination.

Away With The Fairies

I saw a taxi driver today wearing a visor. I wonder if I ever got a taxi and the driver showed up in a visor, can I cancel the taxi ride right there and then.

CalamariFritti

Sconsey wrote: »

Is this email like your letter from your doctor friend? A figment of your imagination.

Healthcare advice
Meanwhile, health staff have been told to wear masks when passing through busy areas of hospitals and other healthcare facilities, in addition to when they are in contact with patients.
The change in advice to healthcare workers follows expressions of concern from the public and patients over staff not wearing masks at times in health facilities.
Official guidance has yet to be updated but the change is referred to in new infection guidance and control advice for residential care facilities.
To address public concerns, HSE infection control specialists have recommended “healthcare workers should be asked to wear masks when transiting through busy public areas of healthcare facilities in both the community and acute setting,” it says. This is in addition to an existing rule requiring the wearing of masks for all clinical contacts.

It doesnt get more obvious.

"The change in advice to healthcare workers follows expressions of concern from the public"

"To address public concerns, HSE infection control specialists have recommended “healthcare workers should be asked to wear masks when transiting through busy public areas"

Its not because they deem it a concern or a health risk. Its because of 'public concern'. More theatre. Like masks for the public. Nonsense theatre to pacify the fearful.

CalamariFritti

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I saw a taxi driver today wearing a visor. I wonder if I ever got a taxi and the driver showed up in a visor, can I cancel the taxi ride right there and then.

It depends I'd say. 'Ever' sounds like a potentially very long time from now...

3xh

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I saw a taxi driver today wearing a visor. I wonder if I ever got a taxi and the driver showed up in a visor, can I cancel the taxi ride right there and then.

What if the airbag goes off?!

weldoninhio

CalamariFritti wrote: »

It doesnt get more obvious.

"The change in advice to healthcare workers follows expressions of concern from the public"

"To address public concerns, HSE infection control specialists have recommended “healthcare workers should be asked to wear masks when transiting through busy public areas"

Its not because they deem it a concern or a health risk. Its because of 'public concern'. More theatre. Like masks for the public. Nonsense theatre to pacify the fearful.

Poster is on my ignore list. I wouldn’t even bother with him.

odyssey06

CalamariFritti wrote: »

It doesnt get more obvious.
"The change in advice to healthcare workers follows expressions of concern from the public"
"To address public concerns, HSE infection control specialists have recommended “healthcare workers should be asked to wear masks when transiting through busy public areas"
Its not because they deem it a concern or a health risk. Its because of 'public concern'. More theatre. Like masks for the public. Nonsense theatre to pacify the fearful.

Non-story based on a single line in a single article, "to address public concerns" ... you are the one drawing the conclusion that it is for 'theatre' and that is the one and only reason for the recommendation.

weldoninhio

CalamariFritti wrote: »

It doesnt get more obvious.

"The change in advice to healthcare workers follows expressions of concern from the public"

"To address public concerns, HSE infection control specialists have recommended “healthcare workers should be asked to wear masks when transiting through busy public areas"

Its not because they deem it a concern or a health risk. Its because of 'public concern'. More theatre. Like masks for the public. Nonsense theatre to pacify the fearful.

Just in work now, exact wording is

"Public and patients have expressed concern that they are wearing cloth face coverings in all public areas of healthcare facilities, but that they see healthcare workers who are not wearing face coverings in these facilities.

................ has recommended that health care workers, in addition to current guidance on mask use, should be asked to wear masks when transiting through busy public areas of healthcare facilities in both the community and acute setting to address this public concern."

So literally to stop people whinging. Should be asked = will be forced to.

Away With The Fairies

3xh wrote: »

What if the airbag goes off?!

I don't understand your question.

robinph

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I don't understand your question.

I think they may be worried that a thin sheet of flexible clear plastic might injure the driver more than the solid steering wheel, or the windscreen, or maybe the road after they have flown through the windscreen.

gmisk

Mask wearing is really poor in some places.
Shocking this morning in my local Aldi.
Won't be back.