To Mask or not to two - Mask Megathread cont.

weldoninhio

gmisk wrote: »

Mask wearing is really poor in some places.
Shocking this morning in my local Aldi.
Won't be back.

After Prime Time last night and Michael McNamara's questions in the Covid Special Committee, I think, finally, that it is getting through to people that this disease is not half as deadly as it was made out to be. Hopefully this will lead to more and more places opening up as normal and a return to non-mask wearing.

gmisk

weldoninhio wrote: »

After Prime Time last night and Michael McNamara's questions in the Covid Special Committee, I think, finally, that it is getting through to people that this disease is not half as deadly as it was made out to be. Hopefully this will lead to more and more places opening up as normal and a return to non-mask wearing.

Wearing a mask isn't exactly an inconvenience in a shop let's be honest. Masks have helped in other countries and could help here.
Fully grown adults behaving like a sulking petulant child is not a good look imo.
The people on here talking about "muzzles" and "face nappies" need to wise up.

odyssey06

weldoninhio wrote: »

After Prime Time last night and Michael McNamara's questions in the Covid Special Committee, I think, finally, that it is getting through to people that this disease is not half as deadly as it was made out to be. Hopefully this will lead to more and more places opening up as normal and a return to non-mask wearing.

You are drawing an either or, but it's the opposite. Mask wearing isn't about closing places down, it is about opening them up and allowing people to go about.

The capacity for the disease to overwhelm our health service is still there.
That's what the measures and restrictions are about.

gmisk

odyssey06 wrote: »

You are drawing an either or, but it's the opposite. Mask wearing isn't about closing places down, it is about opening them up and allowing people to go about.

The capacity for the disease to overwhelm our health service is still there.
That's what the measures and restrictions are about.

Thank you, I totally agree, said much more eloquently than I could.

The numbers in hospitals with covid are creeping back up again there is no denying that. I think it's at 122 in total now? 20 in ICU?

Sconsey

Dubl07 wrote: »

And that indicates your capacity to listen to sense. You must own a fishing boat or a bridge because you are an expert trawler/troller.

I've been calling him out for the liar he is, so his only option is to ignore me, he has no answer.

Edit: I'm talking about weldoninhio just in case it is not clear.

railer201

weldoninhio wrote: »

After Prime Time last night and Michael McNamara's questions in the Covid Special Committee, I think, finally, that it is getting through to people that this disease is not half as deadly as it was made out to be. Hopefully this will lead to more and more places opening up as normal and a return to non-mask wearing.

Are you having a laugh - a million people dead worldwide and you come up with this rubbish ?

ginoginelli

Seanergy wrote: »

TODAY'S IRISH TIMES

Meanwhile, health staff have been told to wear masks when passing through busy areas of hospitals and other healthcare facilities, in addition to when they are in contact with patients.

The change in advice to healthcare workers follows expressions of concern from the public and patients over staff not wearing masks at times in health facilities.

Official guidance has yet to be updated but the change is referred to in new infection guidance and control advice for residential care facilities. To address public concerns, HSE infection control specialists have recommended “healthcare workers should be asked to wear masks when transiting through busy public areas of healthcare facilities in both the community and acute setting,” it says. This is in addition to an existing rule requiring the wearing of masks for all clinical contacts.

Residents should not be asked to wear masks all the time “but there may be times when they should wear them if they can tolerate the mask”.

Incredible it took that long. You would think the powers to be would have connected the dots between high healthcare infection rates and low mask usage.

In most Asian countries from day 1 mask wearing was a policy, it really highlights the ineptitude of the hse that they are only mandating this now.

I'm sure they will eventually get around to banning visors too, even though the evidence is clear now that they are ineffective and dangerous. It will still probably take them months before they bother doing anything about it. God knows how many will be needlessly infected in the meantime.

is_that_so

ginoginelli wrote: »

Incredible it took that long. You would think the powers to be would have connected the dots between high healthcare infection rates and low mask usage.

In most Asian countries from day 1 mask wearing was a policy, it really highlights the ineptitude of the hse that they are only mandating this now.

I'm sure they will eventually get around to banning visors too, even though the evidence is clear now that they are ineffective and dangerous. It will still probably take them months before they bother doing anything about it. God knows how many will be needlessly infected in the meantime.

Most Asian countries can do things that GDPR and civil liberties would not permit here. Measures work there because they tend to wear masks in winter anyway and because there is widespread subservience to the authority of the State.

weldoninhio

railer201 wrote: »

Are you having a laugh - a million people dead worldwide and you come up with this rubbish ?

For context:

A child dies from hunger every 10 seconds
Poor nutrition and hunger is responsible for the death of 3.1 million children a year.

And you think 1m dying WITH a disease worldwide, is huge??

We've seen from the Dail committee that if someone dies of a massive coronary, but has small traces of covid in their system they are put down as a covid death.

weldoninhio

ginoginelli wrote: »

Incredible it took that long. You would think the powers to be would have connected the dots between high healthcare infection rates and low mask usage.

In most Asian countries from day 1 mask wearing was a policy, it really highlights the ineptitude of the hse that they are only mandating this now.

I'm sure they will eventually get around to banning visors too, even though the evidence is clear now that they are ineffective and dangerous. It will still probably take them months before they bother doing anything about it. God knows how many will be needlessly infected in the meantime.

Masks are used in hospitals etc already. This is for someone walking out of a hospital/primary care centre to their car/for lunch, not dealing with patients.

3xh

robinph wrote: »

I think they may be worried that a thin sheet of flexible clear plastic might injure the driver more than the solid steering wheel, or the windscreen, or maybe the road after they have flown through the windscreen.

Haha! And yet you’re responding to my post about the airbag going off but mention nothing of it!!

Try again.

I’m referring to having the airbag activate while wearing the face shield. You think there’s no issue with that compared to not wearing a face shield and hitting an airbag?!

That extra inch protrusion is the difference between hitting a fully inflated airbag which will now absorb the incoming head and one still rapidly expanding. The headband part will cause the head to rotate backwards about the neck while the chin area continues forward.

Coupled with no beneficial retention/exclusion of Covid aerosols those makes are pointless in taxis and will only cause greater injury.

odyssey06

weldoninhio wrote: »

For context:
A child dies from hunger every 10 seconds
Poor nutrition and hunger is responsible for the death of 3.1 million children a year.
And you think 1m dying WITH a disease worldwide, is huge??

We've seen from the Dail committee that if someone dies of a massive coronary, but has small traces of covid in their system they are put down as a covid death.

Yes, it is still a huge figure, despite your whataboutery.

Why did they have a heart attack? Heart attacks are a known complication of covid. Totally makes sense to put that down as a covid related death.

weldoninhio

odyssey06 wrote: »

Yes, it is still a huge figure, despite your whataboutery.

Why did they have a heart attack? Heart attacks are a known complication of covid. Totally makes sense to put that down as a covid related death.

Ah, the arbitor of masks has been promoted to arbitor of deaths has he. The numbers up. People are realising that this is totally blown out of proportion. We’ll be back to normal within a month.

Away With The Fairies

6-7 months after this pandemic hit us, HSE has now got hospital workers wearing masks in the common areas of the hospitals for public concerns... Of course it's public concern, they can't say how shyte they handled this whole thing.

gmisk

weldoninhio wrote: »

Ah, the arbitor of masks has been promoted to arbitor of deaths has he. The numbers up. People are realising that this is totally blown out of proportion. We’ll be back to normal within a month.

"We'll be back to normal within a month?"....nonsense...what are you basing that on exactly? What does this back to normal look like then?

Like most people I would love you to be right, but I am sorry imo that is utterly delusional

Mr. Karate

robinph wrote: »

Wearing of masks did coincide with increases of cases,

That's shouldn't be surprising that people are getting sicker under these mask mandates. People are breathing back in the Carbon Dioxide that we're supposed to be getting rid of.

gmisk

Mr. Karate wrote: »

That's shouldn't be surprising that people are getting sicker under these mask mandates. People are breathing back in the Carbon Dioxide that we're supposed to be getting rid of.

Jesus...Christ....are you joking or not?
You don't understand how masks work do you?...or breathing seemingly.
Masks do not reduce oxygen saturation.
All those surgeons wearing medical grade masks keep collapsing and dying due to carbon dioxide poisoning...

weldoninhio

gmisk wrote: »

"We'll be back to normal within a month?"....nonsense...what are you basing that on exactly? What does this back to normal look like then?

Like most people I would love you to be right, but I am sorry imo that is utterly delusional

People are seeing through the falsified numbers now.

We've had Michael McNamara tear apart NPHETs massaged numbers in the Covid Committee meeting, we've seen Dr Martin Feeley absolutely take apart Colm Henry's waffle on national television.

Once a critical mass of people realise that this bug is little more dangerous than a moderate flu to the vast, vast, vast majority of the population, then the game is up for this government and they know it.

odyssey06

Mr. Karate wrote: »

That's shouldn't be surprising that people are getting sicker under these mask mandates. People are breathing back in the Carbon Dioxide that we're supposed to be getting rid of.

Probably explains the staff shortages we've been having in such mask wearing roles as lab work, medical and dental roles for decades then...

gmisk

weldoninhio wrote: »

People are seeing through the falsified numbers now.

We've had Michael McNamara tear apart NPHETs massaged numbers in the Covid Committee meeting, we've seen Dr Martin Feeley absolutely take apart Colm Henry's waffle on national television.

Once a critical mass of people realise that this bug is little more dangerous than a moderate flu to the vast, vast, vast majority of the population, then the game is up for this government and they know it.

See you back here in a month and we will see.
So has the rest of the world also been taken in by this mass hysteria? Or is it just in Ireland? Our evil NPHET overlords..

odyssey06

weldoninhio wrote: »

People are seeing through the falsified numbers now.
We've had Michael McNamara tear apart NPHETs massaged numbers in the Covid Committee meeting, we've seen Dr Martin Feeley absolutely take apart Colm Henry's waffle on national television.
Once a critical mass of people realise that this bug is little more dangerous than a moderate flu to the vast, vast, vast majority of the population, then the game is up for this government and they know it.

The numbers are not falsified. This is conspiracy theory nonsense.
You don't even seem to know that covid-19 can cause heart attacks, not sure how you imagine anyone actually dies 'of covid-19' as opposed to the affect it has on the body's major organs.
I can't believe we're still hearing "just the flu bro" crap after all this time.

robinph

Mr. Karate wrote: »

That's shouldn't be surprising that people are getting sicker under these mask mandates. People are breathing back in the Carbon Dioxide that we're supposed to be getting rid of.

Can we have some kind of system to be able to tell the difference between people being sarcastic or genuine. The use of emojis can give away if you are just making sarcastic comments, but their lack doesn't confirm that they are not being sarcastic.

If you are making genuine comments then we need some way of properly identifying the idiocy and trolling.

robinph

3xh wrote: »

Haha! And yet you’re responding to my post about the airbag going off but mention nothing of it!!

Try again.

I’m referring to having the airbag activate while wearing the face shield. You think there’s no issue with that compared to not wearing a face shield and hitting an airbag?!

That extra inch protrusion is the difference between hitting a fully inflated airbag which will now absorb the incoming head and one still rapidly expanding. The headband part will cause the head to rotate backwards about the neck while the chin area continues forward.

Coupled with no beneficial retention/exclusion of Covid aerosols those makes are pointless in taxis and will only cause greater injury.

I assume that the wearing of things like baseball caps in cars is also a massive risk that you are concerned about too then? What about glasses, are you extra concerned about taxi drivers wearing glasses and their airbags going off?



Edit: Just noticed that you have claimed the foam and plastic will cause the top of peoples heads to rotate in a different direction to their chins. That needs some

Sconsey

Mr. Karate wrote: »

That's shouldn't be surprising that people are getting sicker under these mask mandates. People are breathing back in the Carbon Dioxide that we're supposed to be getting rid of.

Save that type of misinformation for Facebook where it belongs.
https://www.bbc.com/news/53108405

Mr. Karate

Sconsey wrote: »

Save that type of misinformation for Facebook where it belongs.
https://www.bbc.com/news/53108405

Yeah because the BBC is the bastion of truth now. :rolleyes:

The gestapo is certainly up in arms now.

3xh

robinph wrote: »

I assume that the wearing of things like baseball caps in cars is also a massive risk that you are concerned about too then? What about glasses, are you extra concerned about taxi drivers wearing glasses and their airbags going off?



Edit: Just noticed that you have claimed the foam and plastic will cause the top of peoples heads to rotate in a different direction to their chins. That needs some

I’d be content that the wearing of glasses has been taken into account by manufacturers and law makers when deciding on the safety and benefits of airbags in a collision.

A full face shield not so much. Nor will they start looking into it now.

Airbags are designed to be at 100% inflation just as the face is expected to hit, based on normal seating positions. The face shield will reduce the time available. Airbags inflate in milliseconds. That inch is significant.

You don’t want to hit the airbag as it’s still expanding.

Sconsey

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Yeah because the BBC is the bastion of truth now. :rolleyes:

The gestapo is certainly up in arms now.

Gestapo? you are in deeper than I thought. Carry on, the basic mechanics of how masks work is obviously lost on you.

Tork

Let me see. Hilary's emails...?

Sconsey

3xh wrote: »

I’d be content that the wearing of glasses has been taken into account by manufacturers and law makers when deciding on the safety and benefits of airbags in a collision.

A full face shield not so much. Nor will they start looking into it now.

Airbags are designed to be at 100% inflation just as the face is expected to hit, based on normal seating positions. The face shield will reduce the time available. Airbags inflate in milliseconds. That inch is significant.

You don’t want to hit the airbag as it’s still expanding.

Seriously that is some laughable speculation, the forces involved are going to render the loosly worn visor insignificant. It's not stuck to their head, not to mention that they are also just a little piece of flexible plactic.

robinph

3xh wrote: »

I’d be content that the wearing of glasses has been taken into account by manufacturers and law makers when deciding on the safety and benefits of airbags in a collision.

A full face shield not so much. Nor will they start looking into it now.

Airbags are designed to be at 100% inflation just as the face is expected to hit, based on normal seating positions. The face shield will reduce the time available. Airbags inflate in milliseconds. That inch is significant.

You don’t want to hit the airbag as it’s still expanding.

We can test your theory on how much of an impact the face shield would protect you from, or if you'd prefer how much it would disrupt the protecting qualities of an airbag.

Put one on and get someone to punch you in the face, then let us know if it still hurts or if you have a broken nose or not. if you survive that without a broken nose then for a control test take the mask off and get them to punch you in the face again just in order to prove if they were punching you hard enough.

Let us know if there is any discernible difference from having that foam and thin plastic sheet infront of your nose.