To Mask or not to two - Mask Megathread cont.

bush

Graham wrote: »

Now CEO of an ambulance chasing operation in Canada.

Huh?

odyssey06

bush wrote: »

Huh?

The web-based company, called Malpractice Check, touts itself as a way for patients or their family members to explore whether mistakes were made, before trying to retain a lawyer...
Hodkinson said the firm plans to market the service worldwide, noting that laws may differ from country to country, but the medical principles remain the same...
Some patient advocates and malpractice lawyers, though, are skeptical about the service, which offers an opinion but no help in actually pursuing legal or other action.

https://nationalpost.com/health/new-firm-offers-malpractice-check-to-investigate-if-patients-died-from-to-preventable-mistakes

Seanergy

NovemberWren wrote: »

The best options to these are, Diving Cylinders. The Scuba Diving Cylinders look safe and are not a bad price, on Amazon circa E150.00.

But Snorkels are a good option too. [as the Cylinders strapped to the back may be a bit heavy].

Thanks, just make a mockery of my post with your offset humour.

Away With The Fairies

Citizens information page on face coverings is an absolute joke. But they only give information that is currently in place, so I don't blame them.

Still only a short list on where face coverings are mandatory. Here's the list

Shops, including pharmacies
Shopping centres
Libraries
Cinemas and cinema complexes
Theatres
Concert halls
Bingo halls
Museums
Nail salons
Hair salons and barbers
Tattoo and piercing parlours
Travel agents and tour operators
Laundries and dry cleaners
Bookmakers

It's beyond me why taxis and all indoor public areas and other workplaces aren't included in that list.

And the guards don't have to wear masks as well. And they're dealing with people all day long.

Seriously we're this long into the pandemic and they can't get anything right.

Wibbs

The taxis aspect is particularly puzzling as experience and research in Asia with SARS demonstrated that those who took taxis were in a much higher risk group. Which makes pretty obvious sense. Short of sharing a bed with someone a car is about the best pathogen sharing device you could imagine. Unless it's a stretch limo you can't practice any social distancing, you're sharing the air and in the case of a taxi you're sharing that air and surfaces with a load of other people before you.

Graham

Would taxis be covered under public transport?

CalamariFritti

Graham wrote: »

Would taxis be covered under public transport?

yes

Away With The Fairies

Wibbs wrote: »

The taxis aspect is particularly puzzling as experience and research in Asia with SARS demonstrated that those who took taxis were in a much higher risk group. Which makes pretty obvious sense. Short of sharing a bed with someone a car is about the best pathogen sharing device you could imagine. Unless it's a stretch limo you can't practice any social distancing, you're sharing the air and in the case of a taxi you're sharing that air and surfaces with a load of other people before you.

Similar to a bus. And yet masks are mandatory on buses!

Away With The Fairies

Graham wrote: »

Would taxis be covered under public transport?

You would think it's mandatory under public transport but the taxis themselves want masks mandatory which it hasn't been made yet.

This article from end of October and taxis are crying for face masks to be made mandatory.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/lack-of-mandatory-face-covering-rules-for-taxis-leading-to-challenges-1.4391695%3fmode=amp

brianhere

In answer to the query above about Dr Roger Hodkinson's testimony, I don't have a transcript but you can view it all here if you like: https://www.facebook.com/742104637/videos/10160248139389638/ .

odyssey06

brianhere wrote: »

In answer to the query above about Dr Roger Hodkinson's testimony, I don't have a transcript but you can view it all here if you like: https://www.facebook.com/742104637/videos/10160248139389638/ .

Nope. Where is his testimony in his role as an advisor to the Canadian government as originally stated?
This is total misrepresentation.

He is no such thing.

brianhere

Yes I meant to say a government in Canada, its here to an assembly in Edmonton in Alberta. But mind you thats a major city, so its not some prognostication to some parish council or other!

PsychoPete

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

You would think it's mandatory under public transport but the taxis themselves want masks mandatory which it hasn't been made yet.

This article from end of October and taxis are crying for face masks to be made mandatory.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/lack-of-mandatory-face-covering-rules-for-taxis-leading-to-challenges-1.4391695%3fmode=amp

You'd think at this stage that they wouldn't have to make it mandatory because people would have the common sense to think for themselves and realise that been in a taxi without one isn't safe

With regards to masks there are clearly different studies that say different things. The best thing to do though is to wear the mask. If it doesn't work it is harmless. If it does, great.

What bugs me about this lockdown is the lack of hand sanitising and spraying going unto shops, I bet that helped a lot, and there are no queues anymore which indicates the shops are letting more people in.

Wibbs

Wibbs wrote: »

The taxis aspect is particularly puzzling as experience and research in Asia with SARS demonstrated that those who took taxis were in a much higher risk group. Which makes pretty obvious sense. Short of sharing a bed with someone a car is about the best pathogen sharing device you could imagine. Unless it's a stretch limo you can't practice any social distancing, you're sharing the air and in the case of a taxi you're sharing that air and surfaces with a load of other people before you.

People forget, with all the talk about masks, that the virus can survive on surfaces and in the air for hours. So yes, taxis are dangerous.

paul71

Deleted User wrote: »

People forget, with all the talk about masks, that the virus can survive on surfaces and in the air for hours. So yes, taxis are dangerous.

Agreed, they are definitely dangerous. Anecdotally I know of 3 Taxi/Cab drivers in a small geographical area who caught covid, 1 sadly deceased another 3 weeks intensive care and partly recovered, another ill 1 month and now mostly recovered.

Wibbs

PsychoPete wrote: »

You'd think at this stage that they wouldn't have to make it mandatory because people would have the common sense to think for themselves and realise that been in a taxi without one isn't safe

And the bolded words above are the problem PP. It's not so common it seems.

martingriff

PsychoPete wrote: »

You'd think at this stage that they wouldn't have to make it mandatory because people would have the common sense to think for themselves and realise that been in a taxi without one isn't safe

Sorry what is that word its as alien to people as personal responsibility especially to the young (18-35) adults

Seanergy

80 euro on the spot fine for breaking facecoverings rules came into effect today.

Legislation published this afternoon.

https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/1f150-view-statutory-instruments-related-to-the-covid-19-pandemic/

odyssey06

Seanergy wrote: »

80 euro on the spot fine for breaking facecoverings rules came into effect today.
Legislation published this afternoon.
https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/1f150-view-statutory-instruments-related-to-the-covid-19-pandemic/

Good but took them a ridiculous amount of time... seems easier to shut whole sectors down than enforce real restrictions.

Seanergy

Agreed, and easier still to keep repeating that process without making any real change to air quality within internal spaces, we are on a scratched loop.

Giants like Google still promoting face shields with their Support local business you love with a little help from Google TV advert which negligently promotes face shields over face coverings.





Google ain't alone with this face shield crap.

Away With The Fairies

Shop assistant serving me in the shop today sanitising their hands and I was thinking why were they bothering. They can't possibly care while wearing a face visor.

Pitch n Putt

Seanergy wrote: »

80 euro on the spot fine for breaking facecoverings rules came into effect today.

Legislation published this afternoon.

https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/1f150-view-statutory-instruments-related-to-the-covid-19-pandemic/

Absolute load of bullsh1t.

Country is a joke.

Time to be getting rid of masks and face coverings as the longer they’re around the more useless they become.

Masks and coverings only been used now as a means to enter shops etc.

Fire it back in the car and use over and over.

Serving zero purpose at this stage. Optics only.

Seanergy

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Absolute load of bullsh1t.

Country is a joke.

Serving zero purpose at this stage. Optics only.

Visors are nearly optics only, might be 2% effective against liquid splash, certainly whould not be worn without a mask.

It's not just GOOGLE either, RTE's Fair City promoting visors over masks also. Numerous covid slack plastered all within that programme, mainly dominated by HSE hand sanitizer yellow stickers n literature.

Pitch n Putt

Seanergy wrote: »

Visors are nearly optics only, might be 2% effective against liquid splash, certainly whould not be worn without a mask.

It's not just GOOGLE either, RTE's Fair City promoting visors over masks also. Numerous covid slack plastered all within that programme, mainly dominated by HSE hand sanitizer yellow stickers n literature.

Everyone knows more than enough about the risks at this stage.

It’s time for personal responsibility to come into it now.

If people want to wear a mask wear one but don’t be looking down on others if they don’t.

Life needs to move on...

Fodla

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Absolute load of bullsh1t.

Country is a joke.

Time to be getting rid of masks and face coverings as the longer they’re around the more useless they become.

Masks and coverings only been used now as a means to enter shops etc.

Fire it back in the car and use over and over.

Serving zero purpose at this stage. Optics only.

Is there any evidence to suggest they'll ever be got rid of?

odyssey06

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Everyone knows more than enough about the risks at this stage.
It’s time for personal responsibility to come into it now.
If people want to wear a mask wear one but don’t be looking down on others if they don’t.
Life needs to move on...

Where is the personal responsibility for someone exposed to passive smoking?
Or a drunk driver? Or a car with bare tyres?
Shouldn't have taken a bus?
Shouldn't have walked home?

You still don't get it.
Masks aren't PPE for you, they are barriers for the people around you.
That's why it is important for you to wear one in public spaces.
If you can't adhere to that small measure that is asked of you during a pandemic, then it is you who should avoid public places.

How does "life needs to move on..." come into it? It doesn't.
It's a declaration of abandonment of your responsibilities to other citizens.
Such responsibilities comes with being a citizen of a country so that you can enjoy its societal benefits.

Tork

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Everyone knows more than enough about the risks at this stage.

It’s time for personal responsibility to come into it now.

If people want to wear a mask wear one but don’t be looking down on others if they don’t.

Life needs to move on...

Someone who chooses not to wear a mask is making a statement that have no respect for the people they meet when they're out and about. Where does personal responsibility come into it if they are the ones who happen to have covid and infect others?

odyssey06

Fodla wrote: »

Is there any evidence to suggest they'll ever be got rid of?

This is up there with "Is there any evidence to suggest you have stopped beating your wife" as a rhetorical trap.
Is there any evidence to suggest they won't?

Tork

When this virus goes away people will stop wearing masks. All this sub-The Handmaid's Tale talk is nonsense. How else do you try and avoid spreading a virus that is airborne?