To Mask or not to two - Mask Megathread cont.

runawaybishop

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

There’s is no need for level five lockdown when you have 35 people in icu and less than 300 people hospitalised from a population of nearly 5 million people.

Why that is happening.....,These are the real questions that need answering.

The reason we have only 35 people in ICU is because of the lockdown. This is basic stuff. Try harder.

Sleeper12

Pitch n Putt wrote:

There’s is no need for level five lockdown when you have 35 people in icu and less than 300 people hospitalised from a population of nearly 5 million people.

Dude you are trying to convince the wrong person here. We lost my father in law to Covid-19. This was an entirely preventable death but some people just want to get on with their own lives and are happy with a small amount of death every day to allow them to do this.

Pitch n Putt

runawaybishop wrote: »

The reason we have only 35 people in ICU is because of the lockdown. This is basic stuff. Try harder.

You keep believing that good man.

The reason we have half arsed lockdown is because of our inept mismanaged health service.

Pitch n Putt

Sconsey wrote: »

LOL you haven't got a leg to stand on so try to avaoid people pointing out your stipidity by responding with emoji's and lame one-liners like above. You've long since lost the debate.

Attack the post not the poster.

There’s no debating the ridiculous carry on in this country and the damage this has caused to normally straight thinking people.

How quick people got brainwashed is astounding really.

Sad times indeed.

Pitch n Putt

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Dude you are trying to convince the wrong person here. We lost my father in law to Covid-19. This was an entirely preventable death but some people just want to get on with their own lives and are happy with a small amount of death every day to allow them to do this.

Sorry for your loss.

xhomelezz

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Attack the post not the poster.

There’s no debating the ridiculous carry on in this country and the damage this has caused to normally straight thinking people.

How quick people got brainwashed is astounding really.

Sad times indeed.

From cloth masks are useless to brainwashing.

Well done!

I believe there are different threads on boards which will accommodate you no problem.

odyssey06

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Attack the post not the poster.
There’s no debating the ridiculous carry on in this country and the damage this has caused to normally straight thinking people.
How quick people got brainwashed is astounding really.
Sad times indeed.

They are attacking your posting tactics of emojis and 'is that you professor nolan' ... calling out tactics of the last refuge when an argument is intellectually and morally bankrupt.

astrofool

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Attack the post not the poster.

There’s no debating the ridiculous carry on in this country and the damage this has caused to normally straight thinking people.

How quick people got brainwashed is astounding really.

Sad times indeed.

You think people wearing masks to prevent the spread of a virus for about 18 months is brainwashing? When mask wearing is not enforced, when most people are vaccinated, will the brainwashing wear off? (maybe that's what the vaccines for ).

Define the ridiculous carry on in more detail, are you talking about those spreading the virus not following the guidelines, thus forcing us into lockdown? You're not calling the need to prevent a virus from spreading out of control ridiculous are you? Nobody can be that idiotic surely.

weldoninhio

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Dude you are trying to convince the wrong person here. We lost my father in law to Covid-19. This was an entirely preventable death but some people just want to get on with their own lives and are happy with a small amount of death every day to allow them to do this.

A small amount of deaths happen every day, in every country, in the entire world. We don’t lockdown the world. Death is an inevitability. People seem to have forgotten this.

Graham

weldoninhio wrote: »

A small amount of deaths happen every day, in every country, in the entire world. We don’t lockdown the world. Death is an inevitability. People seem to have forgotten this.

The idea is to prevent unnecessary deaths.

You know this.

weldoninhio

Graham wrote: »

The idea is to prevent unnecessary deaths.

You know this.

We will have little to no excess deaths this year.

Sleeper12

weldoninhio wrote:

A small amount of deaths happen every day, in every country, in the entire world. We don’t lockdown the world. Death is an inevitability. People seem to have forgotten this.

Why do we have speed limits, traffic lights? Sure what the hell why can't I have 10 pints (with or without a mask) & drive home?

In most advanced societies it isn't unusual to place restrictions on what people can or can't do to avoid unnecessary loss of lives. Now that you make me think of it, we only have a few murders each year. Why bother try stop these? Think of the money we could save having no court case or housing the murderer for 20 years?

Graham

weldoninhio wrote: »

We will have little to no excess deaths this year.

You might spot the word was unnecessary.

weldoninhio

Graham wrote: »

You might spot the word was unnecessary.

You got a crystal ball there that says someone wouldn’t have died of something else if not Covid? Excess deaths covers who died who wouldn’t have normally. That’s what the word “excess” means.

weldoninhio

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Why do we have speed limits, traffic lights? Sure what the hell why can't I have 10 pints (with or without a mask) & drive home?

In most advanced societies it isn't unusual to place restrictions on what people can or can't do to avoid unnecessary loss of lives. Now that you make me think of it, we only have a few murders each year. Why bother try stop these? Think of the money we could save having no court case or housing the murderer for 20 years?

Let’s ban cars altogether. Would stop a small number of deaths.

Graham

weldoninhio wrote: »

You got a crystal ball there that says someone wouldn’t have died of something else if not Covid?

Ahhh you're back clinging to the "they would have died anyway" fluff.

weldoninhio

Graham wrote: »

Ahhh you're back clinging to the "they would have died anyway" fluff.

Hence, the lack of excess deaths. Bravo. You are learning.

Graham

weldoninhio wrote: »

Hence, the lack of excess deaths. Bravo. You are learning.

Because of the precautions we're taking and in spite of a small minority who don't see a problem.

Here's how some of our neighbours have faired in comparison:



Obviously masks are a small but significant part of the overall effort.

weldoninhio

Graham wrote: »

Because of the precautions we're taking and in spite of a small minority who don't see a problem.

Here's how some of our neighbours have faired in comparison:



Obviously masks are a small but significant part of the overall effort.

You cannot compare apples and onions.

Sconsey

weldoninhio wrote: »

You cannot compare apples and onions.

You can't even get an insult right.

odyssey06

weldoninhio wrote: »

Let’s ban cars altogether. Would stop a small number of deaths.

In 1970, there were 640 road deaths in Ireland.

In 2019 there were 148 road deaths in Ireland.
There are more cars and people in Ireland in 2019 than in 1970.

That's the effect of seat belts, safer cars, NCTs, drink driving laws, speed limits etc...
Rather than banning cars we adopted sustainable measures to retain the essential function of cars but making them safer.

In the current crisis, we didn't shut down essential retail and public transport - masks and distancing were adopted instead.

robinph

weldoninhio wrote: »

You cannot compare apples and onions.

Were there not comparisons between curtains and medical masks being made earlier by your colleague in the anti mask team?

weldoninhio

odyssey06 wrote: »

In 1970, there were 640 road deaths in Ireland.

In 2019 there were 148 road deaths in Ireland.
There are more cars and people in Ireland in 2019 than in 1970.

That's the effect of seat belts, safer cars, NCTs, drink driving laws, speed limits etc...
Rather than banning cars we adopted sustainable measures to retain the essential function of cars but making them safer.

In the current crisis, we didn't shut down essential retail and public transport - masks and distancing were adopted instead.

148 families devastated. How many people maimed for life from RTAs? Get them banned. We can’t be having avoidable deaths, can we?

Graham

weldoninhio wrote: »

148 families devastated. How many people maimed for life from RTAs? Get them banned. We can’t be having avoidable deaths, can we?

Have you considered starting a traffic accident related thread somewhere?

weldoninhio

Graham wrote: »

The idea is to prevent unnecessary deaths.

You know this.

You are the one who brought up unnecessary deaths buddy.

Graham

I just don't sign up to the "we shouldn't wear masks because traffic accidents" nonsense.

Its just plain silly.

odyssey06

Graham wrote: »

Have you considered starting a traffic accident related thread somewhere?

Sweden has more covid patients in ICU than we have in hospital.
Obviously explained by a spontaneous increase of people (who were about to die in all anyways) with covid being hit by buses in Sweden apparently so masks wouldn't have helped.

Seanergy

Graham wrote: »

Obviously masks are a small but significant part of the overall effort.

Here is a linear of same timeline. Note HSE mask policy for all HCW's changed on April 22nd.

Graham

Seanergy wrote: »

Here is a linear of same timeline. Note HSE mask policy for all HCW's changed on April 22nd.

Is there a difference you're trying to highlight?

If we look at the deaths from your graph....


* Same graph, as posted by Seanergy posted, flipped to show deaths on upward scale and rescaled to same size as the NY Times charts.

Seanergy

Graham wrote: »

Is there a difference you're trying to highlight?

If we look at the deaths from your graph....


* Same graph, as posted by Seanergy posted, flipped to show deaths on upward scale and rescaled to same size as the NY Times charts.

Little confused from your reply, who is flipping what? Why are you now colouring Ireland red from your NY chart? BTW It is not an accurate chart.

I was just commenting on you saying Obviously masks are a small but significant part of the overall effort.

I don't find masks to be playing a small part.