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To Mask or not to two - Mask Megathread cont.

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    #242
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    It's about proportionality to the risk..
    Mortality for COVID-19 appears higher than for influenza, especially seasonal influenza. While the true mortality of COVID-19 will take some time to fully understand, the data we have so far indicate that the crude mortality ratio (the number of reported deaths divided by the reported cases) is between 3-4%, the infection mortality rate (the number of reported deaths divided by the number of infections) will be lower. For seasonal influenza, mortality is usually well below 0.1%

    If you want to wear a mask to stop yourself passing on influenza, you'll be pleased to hear there is nothing to stop you.


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    #243
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    saabsaab wrote: »
    Just a note, antibiotics are useless against colds and flu. They may however be used against some secondary infections that may come after.

    I think that is somewhat getting a bit off tangent tbh. The issue was medications used to help treat colds and flu's. Sequela ditto.


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    #244
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Genuine question. Except I knew the answer.
    Antibiotics don't work on viruses so are not a valid treatment for colds. They can be useful if you get a bacterial infection alongside the viral one.Tamiflu can reduce the severity of influenza - but only if you take it soon enough, and yhata hard to do. Other than that, I've only heard of symptom relief treatments, not ones that address the disease.
    If masks are effective for Covid, they should be used for these diseases too.

    I don't think you do tbh

    You left out the influenza vacines used each year btw.

    As detailed there are also approved medications used for both illnesses / secondary infections

    Big difference with the current designated pandemic - is we have no vacine and many medications are still being evaluated.

    But this is your big chance. Start a campaign for mask use if you believe strongly they should be used for colds and flus as well


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    #245
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    Saw a Chinese family today out shopping dressed up in a thick mask, gloves and safety goggles yes safety goggles one of them was even wearing the goggles over their glasses. Utter madness.


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    #246
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Out doing the shopping early this afternoon, only one person not wearing a mask.

    More surprisingly, nobody at all with a mask tucked under their nose.

    It's quite apparent the message is sinking in.


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    #247
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    GT89 wrote: »
    Saw a Chinese family today out shopping dressed up in a thick mask, gloves and safety goggles yes safety goggles one of them was even wearing the goggles over their glasses. Utter madness.

    No madness whatsoever about it. Quite sensible precautions. Also do we need to add xenophobia to your lengthy list of issues?


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    #248
    Xtrail14
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 253 ✭✭Xtrail14


    GT89 wrote: »
    Saw a Chinese family today out shopping dressed up in a thick mask, gloves and safety goggles yes safety goggles one of them was even wearing the goggles over their glasses. Utter madness.

    They have immunity sure.


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    #249
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users Posts: 3,033 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    GT89 wrote: »
    Saw a Chinese family today out shopping dressed up in a thick mask, gloves and safety goggles yes safety goggles one of them was even wearing the goggles over their glasses. Utter madness.

    Think you saw fcuk all. You just felt like to post another bs.


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    #250
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    John O.Groats wrote: »
    No madness whatsoever about it. Quite sensible precautions.

    So do you support goggles or some sort of eye protection being made mandatory too if it is a sensible precaution?


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    #251
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    GT89 wrote: »
    So do you support goggles or some sort of eye protection being made mandatory too if it is a sensible precaution?

    I doubt anyone would object if you decided to wear goggles.

    Personally I'm happy enough with the mask/hand-washing/social distancing for now but to each their own.


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    #252
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    GT89 wrote: »
    So do you support goggles or some sort of eye protection being made mandatory too if it is a sensible precaution?

    The most important measure is the wearing of masks. The wearing of goggles in addition to masks is sensible but not to be used solely as a replacement for them.


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    #253
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users Posts: 3,033 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    GT89 wrote: »
    So do you support goggles or some sort of eye protection being made mandatory too if it is a sensible precaution?

    Can't wait to see what kind of game you playing there :D


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    #254
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    John O.Groats wrote: »
    The most important measure is the wearing of masks. The wearing of goggles in addition to masks is sensible but not to be used solely as a replacement for them.

    Thought social distancing was more effective?


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    #255
    bush
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭bush


    A big bubble like the film bubble boy is the way forward


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    #256
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    xhomelezz wrote: »
    Can't wait to see what kind of game you playing there :D

    I was only pointing out an observation. I think it's mad to be going around wearing goggles the height of paranoia.


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    #257
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    GT89 wrote: »
    Thought social distancing was more effective?

    Social distancing on its own without the wearing of masks is not sufficient to prevent spread of droplets potentially containing virus particles especially in indoor environments.


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    #258
    bush
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭bush


    The day we stop wearing masks will be a great day


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    #259
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    bush wrote: »
    A big bubble like the film bubble boy is the way forward

    Away you go so and try it out. Be sure to let us know how you get on.


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    #260
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    John O.Groats wrote: »
    Social distancing on its own without the wearing of masks is not sufficient to prevent spread of droplets potentially containing virus particles especially in indoor environments.

    If it was suffficent back in March and April why not now? Supermarkets were limiting numbers back then with a queing system but I don't know of any that still do this.


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    #261
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    bush wrote: »
    The day we stop wearing masks will be a great day

    A day which will not be happening in the forseeable future I believe.


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    #262
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users Posts: 3,033 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    bush wrote: »
    The day we stop wearing masks will be a great day

    Agree. It will be the day we will have effective treatment for covid or vaccine.


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    #263
    bush
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭bush


    John O.Groats wrote: »
    A day which will not be happening in the forseeable future I believe.

    You would love that


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    #264
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    GT89 wrote: »
    If it was suffficent back in March and April why not now? Supermarkets were limiting numbers back then with a queing system but I don't know of any that still do this.

    Shortage of availability of masks in Feb/March but then you already know all this.


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    #265
    bush
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭bush


    John O.Groats wrote: »
    Away you go so and try it out. Be sure to let us know how you get on.

    Join me and try it too. It would be great protection.


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    #266
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    GT89 wrote: »
    If it was suffficent back in March and April why not now? Supermarkets were limiting numbers back then with a queing system but I don't know of any that still do this.

    We know more now than we knew in March/April and we now have a better supply of masks but you already know this.

    Any supermarkets I've been into recently are still controlling numbers allowed in at any one time.


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    #267
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    bush wrote: »
    You would love that

    I`m just being realistic pal. Maybe you will eventually realise that too.


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    #268
    Polar101
    Registered Users Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »

    If masks are effective for Covid, they should be used for these diseases too.

    Just to save everyone's time, is the point you'll eventually make going to be: it's stupid to wear masks "for Covid" if we don't wear them for flu and other diseases too?


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    #269
    bush
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭bush


    xhomelezz wrote: »
    Agree. It will be the day we will have effective treatment for covid or vaccine.

    Or the day we realise the virus is killing very few eople or even putting them in hospital


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    #270
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    bush wrote: »
    Join me and try it too. It would be great protection.

    No thanks. I will allow you to enjoy that experience all by yourself.


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    #271
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    Few people were wearing masks back in June/early July cases were far lower back then than they are today now everyone is wearing them in shops. No can tell me why cases are through the roof despite the wearing of masks and it's not just Ireland masks are mandatory even outdoors in Spain and they havd the highest cases in Europe.

    Lower covid in maskless Sweden than Ireland.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-incidence-rate-in-ireland-higher-than-sweden-s-for-first-time-1.4342896


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