To Mask or not to two - Mask Megathread cont.

Sconsey

weldoninhio wrote: »

If I get infected, and not know about it, and pass it onto someone else, they pass it onto someone else and so on... somebody will end up getting it bad.

I bolded the relevant bit in your quote. I didn't compare the pandemic to the flu. I stated a medical fact. From the HSE, "In Ireland, between 200 and 500 people, mainly older people, die from flu each winter."

I never mentioned "medical care being cancelled", or "doctors deciding who gets care", you've added those in yourself to add a level of hysteria to my post that isn't there.

I pointed out that hundreds of people die of the flu every year. The flu is passed from person to person, and if someone gets it bad they can/may die. This is a basic medical fact, and not a "conspiracy". How do you think these people get the flu?

If you are not comparing Covid to the flu then why are you blabbering on about the flu on a Covid forum? You are clearly trying to compare the flu to Covid which is beyond dumb.

Pitch n Putt

Seanergy wrote: »

Problem here is you, thinking, not the observations of Prof Lambert.


Lambert is referencing a particular point in time, you linking a seperate point in time to Lambert's point in time does not hold water.


Also harping on about community transmission is not relevant to Prof Lambert's observations.


Your compulsion to discredit and or repaint logic and fact with anti-mask sentiment is pathetic.


Article from Medical Independent goes on to say:


A number of doctors told the Medical Independent (MI) they believed the
guidance had a notable effect in reducing infections. According to a specialist in occupational medicine at a Dublin hospital:

“We can show that within five days in this hospital of insisting masks were worn, the numbers of staff coming down with Covid decreased significantly.”

No anti mask sentiment.

Thousands of health care workers have been infected with covid whilst wearing masks.
This much we know as fact.

Someone on this thread last week tried to say health care workers caught the virus in the community and not at work. :rolleyes:


Somebody saying numbers came down after 5 days of mask wearing in a hospital is debatable to say the least.

50000 people in this country got infected in the last week while wearing masks is mandatory and adhered to in most shops.

Again this is a fact.

But you keep believing that masks are doing a great job if you like along with all your buddies in here

Reality is plain to see masks are everywhere but so is the virus and cases.

Sconsey

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

No anti mask sentiment.

Thousands of health care workers have been infected with covid whilst wearing masks.
This much we know as fact.

Someone on this thread last week tried to say health care workers caught the virus in the community and not at work. :rolleyes:


Somebody saying numbers came down after 5 days of mask wearing in a hospital is debatable to say the least.

50000 people in this country got infected in the last week while wearing masks is mandatory and adhered to in most shops.

Again this is a fact.

But you keep believing that masks are doing a great job if you like along with all your buddies in here

Reality is plain to see masks are everywhere but so is the virus and cases.

You can certainly try to twist the facts and post sarcastic smilies but that does not change the fact that masks reduce the risk of transmission. Keep trying though.

funnydoggy

pgj2015 wrote: »

I just saw a bus driver driving a mini bus with the mask under his stupid chin, down syndrome kid on the bus. That kind of stupidity and selfishness disgusts me.

They're shocking for it. They often don't even have the window open.

CalamariFritti

Seanergy wrote: »

Problem here is you, thinking, not the observations of Prof Lambert.


Lambert is referencing a particular point in time, you linking a seperate point in time to Lambert's point in time does not hold water.


Also harping on about community transmission is not relevant to Prof Lambert's observations.


Your compulsion to discredit and or repaint logic and fact with anti-mask sentiment is pathetic.


Article from Medical Independent goes on to say:


A number of doctors told the Medical Independent (MI) they believed the
guidance had a notable effect in reducing infections. According to a specialist in occupational medicine at a Dublin hospital:

“We can show that within five days in this hospital of insisting masks were worn, the numbers of staff coming down with Covid decreased significantly.”

I wouldnt doubt it but a hospital is as we know the most hazardous environment for getting covid theses day. You can hardly compare that to a supermarket or (god help us) outside.

Diabhalta

Don't know why but a lot of people are wearing a mask while driving alone in the car, or walking on the footpath.. That's just ridiculous.. nothing screams more "I'm paranoid" than wearing a mask when there's no one around you.

Sconsey

Diabhalta wrote: »

Don't know why but a lot of people are wearing a mask while driving alone in the car, or walking on the footpath.. That's just ridiculous.. nothing screams more "I'm paranoid" than wearing a mask when there's no one around you.

You're going from 'I don't know why' to 'nothing screams more I'm paranoid'. Maybe you should have stuck to 'I don't know why', instead of making big leaps of the imagination.

Mrs OBumble

https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2021/0112/1189205-castlerea-prison/

Well done the Irish Prison service for enforcing the blatantly obvious: if we're hoping to have masks as part of the strategy, then facial hair is not compatible.

ShyMets

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2021/0112/1189205-castlerea-prison/

Well done the Irish Prison service for enforcing the blatantly obvious: if we're hoping to have masks as part of the strategy, then facial hair is not compatible.

Bee honest. You just don't like beards:)

Beasty

Threads merged

Diabhalta

Sconsey wrote: »

You're going from 'I don't know why' to 'nothing screams more I'm paranoid'. Maybe you should have stuck to 'I don't know why', instead of making big leaps of the imagination.

maybe I know, maybe I don't ... I don't know maybe.

Mrs OBumble

ShyMets wrote: »

Bee honest. You just don't like beards:)

Well yes.

But don't let the obscure the point ....

odyssey06

Diabhalta wrote: »

Don't know why but a lot of people are wearing a mask while driving alone in the car, or walking on the footpath.. That's just ridiculous.. nothing screams more "I'm paranoid" than wearing a mask when there's no one around you.

Or maybe it's more convenient to fit it once and then go between shops.

Or they'll be going along narrow busy stretches of footpath on the way to the shops.

Or it keeps their face warm.

Or they are hiding from their neighbours.

Who knows.

Diabhalta

odyssey06 wrote: »

Or maybe it's more convenient to fit it once and then go between shops.

Or they'll be going along narrow busy stretches of footpath on the way to the shops.

Or it keeps their face warm.

Or they are hiding from their neighbours.

Who knows.

Or it's just a stupid thing to do.

timeToLive

Does anyone have evidence that masks (surgical, not n95) work?

odyssey06

timeToLive wrote: »

Does anyone have evidence that masks (surgical, not n95) work?

Work as what? PPE to protect you? Or as barriers to protect others?

This CDC article summaries the information for both.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/masking-science-sars-cov2.html

There was a study in Denmark showing a small protective element for mask wearers versus non-mask wearers in terms of reduced infections, but it was not statistically significant.

Pitch n Putt

Sconsey wrote: »

You can certainly try to twist the facts and post sarcastic smilies but that does not change the fact that masks reduce the risk of transmission. Keep trying though.

No twisting facts.

It’s a fact that thousands of people contracted the virus whilst mask wearing has been mandatory.

The truth is we’ll never know what or if there is a reduction in transmission from mask wearing.

Masks are being used as a means only for people to go into shops.

They are pretty much a load of b****x they way there being used by the general population.

Stuffed in pockets hanging from car mirrors. Slap it on to go in the shops

We’d be far better served by distancing and hand sanitising.

Mask are dirty and lead to germ spreading by all the constant handling.

odyssey06

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

No twisting facts.
It’s a fact that thousands of people contracted the virus whilst mask wearing has been mandatory.
The truth is we’ll never know what or if there is a reduction in transmission from mask wearing.
Masks are being used as a means only for people to go into shops.
They are pretty much a load of b****x they way there being used by the general population.
Stuffed in pockets hanging from car mirrors. Slap it on to go in the shops
We’d be far better served by distancing and hand sanitising.
Mask are dirty and lead to germ spreading by all the constant handling.

Zero evidence for masks spreading germs, in fact contradicted by the study in Denmark showing less infections in those wearing masks.

Thousands of people have been infected while we were distancing and hand sanitising also..

Sconsey

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

No twisting facts.

It’s a fact that thousands of people contracted the virus whilst mask wearing has been mandatory. Twist: Millions of people wearing masks did not contract the virus. Fact. If I follow your line of thinking.... Anyone that did not get infected and wore a mask can thank the mask.....I would not make such a stupid claim.

The truth is we’ll never know what or if there is a reduction in transmission from mask wearing. Bull, the is a mountain of scientific evidence to show that mask do reduce the risk of transmission.

Masks are being used as a means only for people to go into shops. Nonsense

They are pretty much a load of b****x they way there being used by the general population. Where are your facts to back up this statement? Have you seen reports or have you surveyed the general population yourself?

Stuffed in pockets hanging from car mirrors. Slap it on to go in the shops Fact or just your observation?

We’d be far better served by distancing and hand sanitising. One does not preclude the other, masks reduce the risk of transmission along with distancing and hand hygeine.

Mask are dirty and lead to germ spreading by all the constant handling. Sure, let us know where the data around all these new infections is, or are you just making up facts?

Replies in bold above.

Pitch n Putt

odyssey06 wrote: »

Zero evidence for masks spreading germs, in fact contradicted by the study in Denmark showing less infections in those wearing masks.

Thousands of people have been infected while we were distancing and hand sanitising also..

Your correct.

So no matter what people are going to be infected.

Wearing a dirty damp mask and constant handling of said mask poses more risk than it eliminates.

Have a look around the next time you’re in a supermarket. All you’ll see is constant mask adjusting.

odyssey06

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Your correct.
So no matter what people are going to be infected.
Wearing a dirty damp mask and constant handling of said mask poses more risk than it eliminates.
Have a look around the next time you’re in a supermarket. All you’ll see is constant mask adjusting.

Claim contradicted by studies already done and zero evidence offered in support of claim.

If you are wearing a mask as a barrier, the most likely source of contamination on the mask is you... and you can sanitise your hands after touching your mask, or touching an item. You can't sanitise your lungs after inhaling an infected droplet. Wear a mask to contain your own dirty output, like an exhaust filter.

Pitch n Putt

Sconsey wrote: »

Replies in bold above.

Your a funny man.

If mask wearing wasn’t mandatory you’d see quick enough how many people would be using them.

There being used a means to go to a shop etc.

There not much scientific evidence in a real world environment on the effectiveness of masks.

The rest I see every single day. Masks stuffed in pockets hanging on car mirrors constant adjustments of masks.

These all happen out in the real world it’s easily observed.

Sconsey

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Your a funny man.

If mask wearing wasn’t mandatory you’d see quick enough how many people would be using them.

There being used a means to go to a shop etc.

There not much scientific evidence in a real world environment on the effectiveness of masks.

The rest I see every single day. Masks stuffed in pockets hanging on car mirrors constant adjustments of masks.

These all happen out in the real world it’s easily observed.

So what? are you saying masks are not effective at reducing risk or are you saying if they were not madatory we would not be wearing them? it is not an either or situation. They are being used nearly everywhere indoors by the way, not sure why you think they are only for shops.

I notice you have moved away from stating 'facts', and are now more focussed on what you are observing. Getting to the heart of the matter now, you lack facts but have strong opinions based on what you are observing.

Pitch n Putt

Sconsey wrote: »

So what? are you saying masks are not effective at reducing risk or are you saying if they were not madatory we would not be wearing them? it is not an either or situation. They are being used nearly everywhere indoors by the way, not sure why you think they are only for shops.

I notice you have moved away from stating 'facts', and are now more focussed on what you are observing. Getting to the heart of the matter now, you lack facts but have strong opinions based on what you are observing.

Their effectiveness cannot be proven in a real world environment. Too many variables. Fact

If not mandatory their use would be limited anywhere in society. Been used as a means only for most people.

It’s all clear to be seen if your out and about daily. Masks are a means for most people.

Not many are storing them in clear bags and sanitising hands before and after putting them on.

The masks are pulled out of pockets ,bags ,dashboards & car mirrors slapped on for the run into the shops etc.

If you deny that this is the reality of mask use then that’s your choice but it’s what’s happening in the real world.

robinph

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Their effectiveness cannot be proven in a real world environment. Too many variables. Fact

If not mandatory their use would be limited anywhere in society. Been used as a means only for most people.

It’s all clear to be seen if your out and about daily. Masks are a means for most people.

Not many are storing them in clear bags and sanitising hands before and after putting them on.

The masks are pulled out of pockets ,bags ,dashboards & car mirrors slapped on for the run into the shops etc.

If you deny that this is the reality of mask use then that’s your choice but it’s what’s happening in the real world.

Please show us the evidence of people getting "germs" from bad mask usage. If it is so prevalent as you claim there must be studies showing people being hospitalised from "manky-mask-itis".

Where are the wards full of manky-mask-itis patients? How come we are being told about hospitals full of covid patients instead?

Pitch n Putt

robinph wrote: »

Please show us the evidence of people getting "germs" from bad mask usage. If it is so prevalent as you claim there must be studies showing people being hospitalised from "manky-mask-itis".

Where are the wards full of manky-mask-itis patients? How come we are being told about hospitals full of covid patients instead?

Well if you can’t see the risk of spreading germs from the constant touching of a face mask then your lost anyways.

robinph

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Well if you can’t see the risk of spreading germs from the constant touching of a face mask then your lost anyways.

Spreading what? I thought this was germs that materialised magically in you pocket or from just below your rear view mirror and then the only way that we caught them was due to poor mask usage and that these manky-mask-itis germs were hospitalising more people than covid was?

Where are the cases of manky-mask-itis? We can show you plenty of information about covid19 cases if you'd like, but you are claiming that manky-mask-itis is the significantly bigger risk.

Prove it.

Pitch n Putt

robinph wrote: »

Spreading what? I thought this was germs that materialised magically in you pocket or from just below your rear view mirror and then the only way that we caught them was due to poor mask usage and that these manky-mask-itis germs were hospitalising more people than covid was?

Where are the cases of manky-mask-itis? We can show you plenty of information about covid19 cases if you'd like, but you are claiming that manky-mask-itis is the significantly bigger risk.

Prove it.

Your lost. Nobody ever mentioned anything about pocket germs for god sake.

I’ll dumb it down for you so you can understand maybe.

If your breathing out this magical named viral load and you keep touching your damp mask and handling things afterwards. Transmission can occur.

Hand to mask. Then hand to door handles and anything else you touch.

robinph

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Your lost. Nobody ever mentioned anything about pocket germs for god sake.

I’ll dumb it down for you so you can understand maybe.

If your breathing out this magical named viral load and you keep touching your damp mask and handling things afterwards. Transmission can occur.

Hand to mask. Then hand to door handles and anything else you touch.

Do you know how much of a pain in the hole it is to have to go back through your posts on the mobile site?

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Mask are dirty and lead to germ spreading by all the constant handling.

You are repeatedly mentioning the spreading of germs, I just dug out your most recent for you as you seem to have forgotten.

Covid is a virus that is mostly spread by people breathing on each other. It's not a germ.

The wearing of masks doesn't make people ill. It doesn't starve people of oxygen. It doesn't impact them going about their daily lives (save some unfortunate side effects for people who may need to lip read the for example). It doesn't mean that the government is controlling you. It doesn't mean Bill Gates is tracking your every movement.

They do work at reducing transmission.

Pitch n Putt

robinph wrote: »

Do you know how much of a pain in the hole it is to have to go back through your posts on the mobile site?



You are repeatedly mentioning the spreading of germs, I just dug out your most recent for you as you seem to have forgotten.

Covid is a virus that is mostly spread by people breathing on each other. It's not a germ.

The wearing of masks doesn't make people ill. It doesn't starve people of oxygen. It doesn't impact them going about their daily lives (save some unfortunate side effects for people who may need to lip read the for example). It doesn't mean that the government is controlling you. It doesn't mean Bill Gates is tracking your every movement.

They do work at reducing transmission.

No evidence of masks reducing transmission in a real world environment.


See below from the WHO

And jump down off your high horse.

I never mentioned anything about starving people of oxygen and all that rubbish you spouted in the last paragraph.



“The virus can also spread after infected people sneeze, cough on, or touch surfaces, or objects, such as tables, doorknobs and handrails. Other people may become infected by touching these contaminated surfaces, then touching their eyes, noses or mouths without having cleaned their hands first.”

You can say what you like but most people spend more time fiddling with their masks all you have to do is look around.