Is it time for a Dublin lockdown?

tjhook

ChikiChiki wrote: »

People travel onto Dublin, the demographic living in those towns travel into Dublin in huge numbers to work and socialise.

But people rarely travel from Kildare into Dublin without returning. The travel is in both directions. There's not a lot of logic to say that Dublin is unaffected by an outbreak in Kildare, but Kildare is affected by an outbreak in Dublin.

MY BAD

Graham wrote: »

Gardai objected to the renewal of a license for a pub in Achill yesterday for ongoing breaches’ of Covid-19 legislation.

That said, a few high-profile cases to demonstrate enforcement in all areas wouldn't go amiss.

Do you what village the pub was in?

ChikiChiki

stephenjmcd wrote: »

ah go away with this will you. In that case then should Lucan have been locked down with Kildare a while ago ?

Bray and Greystones are Wicklow not Dublin.

Where commuter rail runs to ? So from Dublin then your looking at Wicklow, meath, louth, Kildare amongst others.

If you put restrictions in one area and want the next area where do you stop ? Until everywhere has restrictions.

They know where the areas of concern are, there's no political appetite for any lockdown so you won't see it or one extend into other counties. Its quite clear what the measures will be, a reduction in households mixing.

Nonsense

Relax there, you are viewing it in a very simplistic way.

We are all trying to find better solutions on how to live with this. It's not an easy thing for anyone and we are all trying to find the least disruptive path forward.

My suggestion is looking at recategorising the suburban towns within counties surrounding into the Dublin suburban area based of census data which should have all that info.

County boundaries As-Is unworkable.

And btw, even Dublin can be broke up into a few juristrictions.

ceadaoin.

The economy isn't "bull****" but pretty important for life and society and function.

ChikiChiki

tjhook wrote: »

But people rarely travel from Kildare into Dublin without returning. The travel is in both directions. There's not a lot of logic to say that Dublin is unaffected by an outbreak in Kildare, but Kildare is affected by an outbreak in Dublin.

Recategorise North East Kildare into Dublin for managing the spread of the virus, the same as North Wicklow, the same as South Meath.

It's a different demographic.

tjhook

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Recategorise North East Kildare into Dublin for managing the spread of the virus, the same as North Wicklow, the same as South Meath.

It's a different demographic.

Good luck finding support for that proposal.

ChikiChiki

tjhook wrote: »

Good luck finding support for that proposal.

Yeah I know! Trust me as a lily it sickens me to even have to suggest it :-)

odyssey06

MY BAD wrote: »

Do you what village the pub was in?

Ted Lavelle’s Public House in Cashel, Achill
https://www.mayonews.ie/news/35814-gardai-object-to-achill-pub-licence-for-alleged-covid-breaches

odyssey06

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Relax there, you are viewing it in a very simplistic way.
We are all trying to find better solutions on how to live with this. It's not an easy thing for anyone and we are all trying to find the least disruptive path forward.
My suggestion is looking at recategorising the suburban towns within counties surrounding into the Dublin suburban area based of census data which should have all that info.
County boundaries As-Is unworkable.
And btw, even Dublin can be broke up into a few juristrictions.

Just noting car insurance companies already do this... one rate for Kildare, Meath commuter belt for Dublin versus the rest.

stephenjmcd

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Relax there, you are viewing it in a very simplistic way.

We are all trying to find better solutions on how to live with this. It's not an easy thing for anyone and we are all trying to find the least disruptive path forward.

My suggestion is looking at recategorising the suburban towns within counties surrounding into the Dublin suburban area based of census data which should have all that info.

County boundaries As-Is unworkable.

And btw, even Dublin can be broke up into a few juristrictions.

No point in saying relax there, I'm perfectly relaxed.

Just calling out a nonsense suggestion that absolutely nobody would go with.

If a town is in another county it goes on that counties incidence rate simple as, you don't lump them all in together nor can you essentially move them into another suburban area. I'm sure Greystones and anywhere in Wicklow or any other county surrounding Dublin would share the same view.

circadian

Assetbacked wrote: »

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casesinireland/epidemiologyofcovid-19inireland/

Your friend was one of the 17 people between the ages of 25-34 who were admitted to ICU, out of 5283 reported positive for covid in that age group (0.3%). Of course, these are very conservative figures considering we have likely had far higher numbers infected than officially reported as positive.

6 people under the age of 34 in total have died and were recorded as positive or probably positive for covid when they died. 93% of all such deaths are over the age of 65. It's all there in the HPSC reports.

He's not under the care of the hse.

Regardless, there is still a huge risk to our healthcare system. If the virus was allowed free reign then there would be many more dead as a result of strained resources rather than the virus itself.

ChikiChiki

stephenjmcd wrote: »

No point in saying relax there, I'm perfectly relaxed.

Just calling out a nonsense suggestion that absolutely nobody would go with.

If a town is in another county it goes on that counties incidence rate simple as, you don't lump them all in together nor can you essentially move them into another suburban area. I'm sure Greystones and anywhere in Wicklow or any other county surrounding Dublin would share the same view.

There are smarter ways of doing it, one being the way I am suggesting.

Use the data that is available and drive decisions from that.

ACitizenErased

Direct message from the CMO to Dublin

https://twitter.com/roinnslainte/status/1304491647389126657?s=21

Speakerboxx

ceadaoin. wrote: »

The economy isn't "bull****" but pretty important for life and society and function.

Very important but not as important as life it seems.

MaccaTacca

stephenjmcd wrote: »

ah go away with this will you. In that case then should Lucan have been locked down with Kildare a while ago ?

Bray and Greystones are Wicklow not Dublin.

Where commuter rail runs to ? So from Dublin then your looking at Wicklow, meath, louth, Kildare amongst others.

If you put restrictions in one area and want the next area where do you stop ? Until everywhere has restrictions.

They know where the areas of concern are, there's no political appetite for any lockdown so you won't see it or one extend into other counties. Its quite clear what the measures will be, a reduction in households mixing.

Nonsense

Well actually in the case of Bray, around 5/6,000 of the towns population of 32,000 live in county Dublin.

What do you do with those people?

growleaves

Disagree strongly. We're already taking an ultra-cautious approach. "Cases" bundles together symptomatic illnesses and asymptomatic infections. Then there is a smaller number of hospitalisations and an even smaller number in ICU.

Denny61

Dublin needs to be in lock down now.and house holders need to restrict movements..plus people need to work from home and all non essential businesses need to be closed down .First people might say...no need for lock down as figures are low per population .but wrong..its cos of the densely population That thls virus will take off like wildfire..and secondly if we allow it to .then it's going to be spread rapidly in other bordering counties..
We have to nip this in the bud..or else its going to be a nightmare situation leading up to.christmas...

DangerScouse

Claw Hammer wrote: »

It is only in parts of Dublin. Those parts invariably have a Sinn Fein TD.

Poor effort. 3/10

Double O Seven

Where are the army trucks carrying dead bodies from hospital ? Back in march this is the picture that was painted by the media of the Covid world

Mantis Toboggan

As I said in the other thread if they don't take action in Dublin then lockdowns in other counties later on will be impossible.

Double O Seven

The hospitals in Dublin are right now a hell of a lot quieter than this time last year.

growleaves

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

As I said in the other thread if they don't take action in Dublin then lockdowns in other counties later on will be impossible.

Even more reason to decline to lock down Dublin.

s8n

s8n wrote: »

They really dont.

Bigger population, concentration of economic revenue etc...

Scandalous that this is the case in a country our size.

Spanish Eyes

Going to Aldi in the morning to get toilet rolls just in case, oh and pasta and sauce and other non perishables.

Before the rush lol..

Grog is delivered no problem from the local off licence. Happy Days, who cares?

SEPT 23 1989

All the carrot crunchers screaming for Dublin to be locked down need to understand this

For it to happen again

The hospital system is about to collapse

What's left of the economy will then collapse

The IMF arrive in again

Your 350 a week you had will seem like some sort of dream you had in another life

Tenzor07

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

All the carrot crunchers screaming for Dublin to be locked down need to understand this
For it to happen again
The hospital system is about to collapse
What's left of the economy will then collapse
The IMF arrive in again
Your 350 a week you had will seem like some sort of dream you had in another life

You forgot to mention that there's a high chance of a No-deal Brexit, already this Covid mess has sent the economy back to 2008 levels... If there's a hard Brexit then it will be back to 1988 levels...

How Soon Is Now

Did ya really need to make another thread about this?

SEPT 23 1989

Tenzor07 wrote: »

You forgot to mention that there's a high chance of a No-deal Brexit, already this Covid mess has sent the economy back to 2008 levels... If there's a hard Brexit then it will be back to 1988 levels...

Best not scare them completely

The PUP payment will no longer be available to people made redundant after mid September.

I think this explains why there is no more lockdown.

You can’t lockdown when your borrowed money is running out.

Time to face facts. Economy is now a far bigger priority.

Galwayguy35

Lockdowns are a disaster, they don't work.