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Is it time for a Dublin lockdown?

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    #782
    positivenote
    Registered Users Posts: 2,334 ✭✭✭positivenote


    if remians were it is, is my family (2 adults 2 kids) permitted to travel to sligo and stay with my brother and his family on friday and saturday. We will not be leaving their household ?
    does this change if we go to level 3?
    Thanks


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    #783
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    positivenote wrote: »
    if remians were it is, is my family (2 adults 2 kids) permitted to travel to sligo and stay with my brother and his family on friday and saturday. We will not be leaving their household ?
    does this change if we go to level 3?
    Thanks

    There will only be guidelines given. You’ll be able to do what you want. You can travel the length and breadth of the country if you like.


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    #784
    RunnerDub
    Registered Users Posts: 90 ✭✭RunnerDub


    Cancelled 2 holidays so far this year due to covid, due to jump on a train tomorrow for a 2 day break. With the new restrictions possibly being introduced at 12 tomorrow nite, should I also cancel this trip????


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    #785
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    RunnerDub wrote: »
    Cancelled 2 holidays so far this year due to covid, due to jump on a train tomorrow for a 2 day break. With the new restrictions possibly being introduced at 12 tomorrow nite, should I also cancel this trip????

    Why would you?


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    #786
    tjhook
    Registered Users Posts: 738 ✭✭✭tjhook


    alentejo wrote: »
    If a level 4 lockdown happens in Dublin, i suspect a good number of cafes, restaurants & bars which are just about hanging on will close and never reopen. That is very sad and must be reflected in any decision being made by government.

    We are told that the primary source of infection is in the home!


    I think whatever rules apply to Dublin have to also apply to everywhere else. It's wrong to push cafes in Offaly out of business, while protecting those in Dublin by applying different standards. I *might* just barely accept a story that the officials have now realised that the approach to the midlands a month or so ago was mistaken and will now be altered for the whole country.

    At the end of the day, can the numbers be reduced in Dublin and surrounding counties be spared without travel restrictions? If so, somebody needs to make that decision and be held accountable for it. And it needs to be the same standard for other counties.

    If the numbers can't be lowered without travel restrictions and restrictions aren't going to be applied, then we need to be told what the plan is.


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    #787
    RunnerDub
    Registered Users Posts: 90 ✭✭RunnerDub


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Why would you?

    Why not?


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    #788
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    RunnerDub wrote: »
    Cancelled 2 holidays so far this year due to covid, due to jump on a train tomorrow for a 2 day break. With the new restrictions possibly being introduced at 12 tomorrow nite, should I also cancel this trip????

    You shouldn't have cancelled the first two.


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    #789
    RunnerDub
    Registered Users Posts: 90 ✭✭RunnerDub


    polesheep wrote: »
    You shouldn't have cancelled the first two.

    Beyond my control, hotels I booked closed.


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    #790
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    RunnerDub wrote: »
    Beyond my control, hotels I booked closed.

    Bummer.


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    #791
    Quackster
    Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 5,774 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quackster


    rovers_runner wrote: »
    If they move Dublin to level 3 then surely Donegal & Waterford have to follow too.
    I think the majority of cabinet will oppose this for Dublin for economic reasons but it will be passed for fear of Martin looking like he hasn't acted promptly enough.

    Still time for them to fudge it so I'm thinking it will come into effect on Sunday night at midnight giving the Dubs a weekend to tear the arse out of it.
    Expect 100+ cases in Wicklow by next weekend :)
    Going by current trends, I'd expect the whole country to move to level 3 over the coming weeks, with Dublin moving to level 4.


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    #792
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,523 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    People assume that those in authority are intelligent with a high IQ, however with college drop out and 18-Previous Versions Harris, and Stephen "Trampoline" Donnelly in charge then it's no wonder people are confused, divided, angry and fed-up with level 2, level 2.5, level 3.5 and the closure of Ireland's only real city again after being closed for 6 months of the year already.. and it's only September!

    This is the same Stephen Donnelly that went to Harvard and worked for McKinsey (almost by definition has a high IQ given their method of interviews/aptitude tests for hiring). What exactly have you done?


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    #793
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    RunnerDub wrote: »
    Why not?

    There’s no law saying you should.


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    #794
    Quackster
    Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 5,774 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quackster


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Yeap, close the places where people will socialise and watch it lead to more home gatherings.. People in Dublin then heading out to Wicklow parks and forestry areas at weekends in their droves...
    Push people out of one thing and watch the other things fill up...
    The first lockdown proved very effective in suppressing the virus, albeit at great economic and social cost, so I don't think this is a particularly valid argument.


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    #795
    Quackster
    Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 5,774 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quackster


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Why would you?
    Probably because they have a conscience..??


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    #796
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Quackster wrote: »
    The first lockdown proved very effective in suppressing the virus, albeit at great economic and social cost, so I don't think this is a particularly valid argument.

    But did it? It could have been that the virus took the weakest and then deaths slowed. We allowed it into the nursing/care homes but now they are protected. It could also have been suppressed due to the vulnerable taking particular care. We don't have good information on case numbers, only hospitalisation numbers, therefore we can never know if the lockdown was effective or coincidental.


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    #797
    Zebra3
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    Amirani wrote: »
    This is the same Stephen Donnelly that went to Harvard and worked for McKinsey (almost by definition has a high IQ given their method of interviews/aptitude tests for hiring). What exactly have you done?

    The same Stephen Donnelly who told us that FF were basically scum.


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    #798
    Madeoface
    Registered Users Posts: 419 ✭✭Madeoface


    'The figures cover cases recorded at the HSE's eight local health offices in the county with Dublin North West and Dublin North reporting over 500 cases between them.

    Dublin South West, which serves Crumlin, Walkinstown, Drimnagh and Tallaght recorded 175 cases while there were 163 in Dublin West.

    The Dublin North Central area reported 166 cases of the deadly bug.

    Dublin South City, which stretches from the inner city to Ballyfermot, recorded 137 cases.

    The Dublin South East office, which stretches from Sandymount to Sandyford, reported 151 cases.

    This compares to just 62 cases reported in the Dublin South area, which covers Dun Laoghaire, Blackrock, Stillorgan and Loughlinstown....'


    Gah! Thanks to all ye Northsiders drinking yer Dutch Gold and spray painting Luke Kelly statues us good burghers in Dun Laoghaire have to go into lockdown.....


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    #799
    Open the Pubs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 396 ✭✭Open the Pubs


    Where are these cases coming from in Dublin?


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    #800
    Antares35
    Registered Users Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    Cancelling a trip tomorrow to because I predict we will be at level 3 in Dublin in the next 36 hours.

    The response I was met with was, that I was unnecessarily worrying and that work colleagues of the person I'm going with are even heading away around the country this weekend. My response was, if that's the case they are doing the wrong thing and have a different moral compass to I. The data presented yesterday was stark AF.

    Also have you noticed that people who say "you watch to much of the media" tend to get a lot of their information from Facebook.

    I really hate that some people are not taking it seriously. I'm ****ing worried because I don't want to spread the virus to anyone and into areas where it is not as high. Each one of us has a massive role to play.

    Anyway that's probably the end of that relationship. Can't be dealing with people with such different value systems.

    I'm the same. I just don't feel right going out. To me it's just not worth it. All we've heard about the last few months is the pubs. Not a mention about the hospital's and whether resources are being increased to deal with a possible second surge in winter. It's as if people care more about being able to go out on the lash instead of having a healthcare system that can cope. There's also a lot of "I'm alright Jack" but do these people not have elderly relatives? I'm not too concerned about the potential impact of covid on me but I'd rather not give it to my 74 year old dad who's had a stroke and has diabetes and has undergone two surgeries in the last year.


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    #801
    Open the Pubs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 396 ✭✭Open the Pubs


    The_Brood wrote: »
    I've read it three times now and still don't understand what exactly the difference is between Level 2 and 3. I guess it will only affect people who have been having massive house parties?

    I'm not sure myself, especially as Dublin is 2.5 now anyway. Sure stage 3 isn't a lockdown, I thought it was 4/5 that was more lockdown?

    Don't understand the hysteria in this thread or in media. In saying that RTE are an embarrassment and get a thrill from terrorising people and endless doom. But I thought people would be used to that by now.


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    #802
    DangerScouse
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    Zebra3 wrote: »
    The same Stephen Donnelly who told us that FF were basically scum.

    At least he's got something right.


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    #803
    DangerScouse
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 466 ✭✭DangerScouse


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    Cancelling a trip tomorrow to because I predict we will be at level 3 in Dublin in the next 36 hours.

    The response I was met with was, that I was unnecessarily worrying and that work colleagues of the person I'm going with are even heading away around the country this weekend. My response was, if that's the case they are doing the wrong thing and have a different moral compass to I. The data presented yesterday was stark AF.

    Also have you noticed that people who say "you watch to much of the media" tend to get a lot of their information from Facebook.

    I really hate that some people are not taking it seriously. I'm ****ing worried because I don't want to spread the virus to anyone and into areas where it is not as high. Each one of us has a massive role to play.

    Anyway that's probably the end of that relationship. Can't be dealing with people with such different value systems.

    Unfortunately there are a lot of people with that train of thought. Incredibly selfish and lacking any community spirit or social responsibility. It's not confined to Ireland either btw.


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    #804
    rovers_runner
    Registered Users Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭rovers_runner


    Open the Pubs wrote: »
    Where are these cases coming from in Dublin?

    Cheap agency imported labour.
    IT/Construction/Cleaning/Healthcare/Deliveries.
    The airports are staying open for a reason, the rich aren't getting richer by sitting around and thinking about the health of the nation.....


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    #805
    Zebra3
    Registered Users Posts: 13,874 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Madeoface wrote: »
    'The figures cover cases recorded at the HSE's eight local health offices in the county with Dublin North West and Dublin North reporting over 500 cases between them.

    Dublin South West, which serves Crumlin, Walkinstown, Drimnagh and Tallaght recorded 175 cases while there were 163 in Dublin West.

    The Dublin North Central area reported 166 cases of the deadly bug.

    Dublin South City, which stretches from the inner city to Ballyfermot, recorded 137 cases.

    The Dublin South East office, which stretches from Sandymount to Sandyford, reported 151 cases.

    This compares to just 62 cases reported in the Dublin South area, which covers Dun Laoghaire, Blackrock, Stillorgan and Loughlinstown....'


    Gah! Thanks to all ye Northsiders drinking yer Dutch Gold and spray painting Luke Kelly statues us good burghers in Dun Laoghaire have to go into lockdown.....

    Not a geography teacher, I hope.


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    #806
    douglashyde
    Registered Users Posts: 694 ✭✭✭douglashyde


    Open the Pubs wrote: »
    I'm not sure myself, especially as Dublin is 2.5 now anyway. Sure stage 3 isn't a lockdown, I thought it was 4/5 that was more lockdown?

    Don't understand the hysteria in this thread or in media. In saying that RTE are an embarrassment and get a thrill from terrorising people and endless doom. But I thought people would be used to that by now.

    The media must be seeing significant increases in their traffic/purchases. Everyday they have their clickable headline 'xxx cases, xxx deaths, Dublin to be CUT OFF from the rest of the country'

    Despite more and more evidence showing lack of hospital loading & deaths - they are doom & gloom. Indo & the rag papers being the worst. The Irish Times has been the closest thing to sensible about this whole thing.

    They'll have a field day in the winter when we have yet another hospital problem in the country due to cold/flu.


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    #807
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,859 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    just heard on Today FM that a level 4 for Dublin is a possibility, we will find out for sure tomorrow.


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    #808
    is_that_so
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    DangerScouse wrote: »
    Unfortunately there are a lot of people with that train of thought. Incredibly selfish and lacking any community spirit or social responsibility. It's not confined to Ireland either btw.
    This reaction been coming and well-forecast as more and more people just get fed up. Most people doing most things right is what the aim is. BTW does labelling people older than 16 as selfish actually have any impact on them?


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    #809
    Eod100
    Registered Users Posts: 11,774 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    polesheep wrote: »
    But did it? It could have been that the virus took the weakest and then deaths slowed. We allowed it into the nursing/care homes but now they are protected. It could also have been suppressed due to the vulnerable taking particular care. We don't have good information on case numbers, only hospitalisation numbers, therefore we can never know if the lockdown was effective or coincidental.

    So you're saying because there's no control we can never know for definite? Even though restrictions meant healthcare system wasn't overran, lot of cases at start were brought into hospital so could learn anything new about treatment, how condition presents etc. Should have done more to protect vulnerable populations I agree but it allowed time go get PPE orders in to healthcare workers in those settings and hospitals.


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    #810
    tjhook
    Registered Users Posts: 738 ✭✭✭tjhook


    Open the Pubs wrote: »
    Where are these cases coming from in Dublin?


    I'd think largely person-to-person spread within Dublin. My guess is that a person in Dublin is more likely than a person in Donegal to be in a house share, more likely to be on public transport, more likely to be in crowds. And by definition, there will be a larger absolute number of people (not necessarily a larger proportion) with an "I don't care" attitude squashed into a smaller area.


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    #811
    Eod100
    Registered Users Posts: 11,774 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Antares35 wrote: »
    I'm the same. I just don't feel right going out. To me it's just not worth it. All we've heard about the last few months is the pubs. Not a mention about the hospital's and whether resources are being increased to deal with a possible second surge in winter. It's as if people care more about being able to go out on the lash instead of having a healthcare system that can cope. There's also a lot of "I'm alright Jack" but do these people not have elderly relatives? I'm not too concerned about the potential impact of covid on me but I'd rather not give it to my 74 year old dad who's had a stroke and has diabetes and has undergone two surgeries in the last year.

    Think we're really seeing a split in attitudes this time around. People thinking its milder because there's a lag in deaths and vulnerable groups being protected better. But that won't last forever with the rate of unknown community transmission in Dublin.


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