Is it time for a Dublin lockdown?

IngazZagni

So Dublin locks down and cases go down. Great. Then they go back up again after. It's inevitable. What's the point? We will be going round in circles until a vaccine is available. Meanwhile the economy has collapsed, jobless rates will be at 2010 levels once supports end and we have the biggest mental health crisis we have ever seen. Other diseases rise rapidly due a lack of people getting checked etc.

_Kaiser_

IngazZagni wrote: »

So Dublin locks down and cases go down. Great. Then they go back up again after. It's inevitable. What's the point? We will be going round in circles until a vaccine is available. Meanwhile the economy has collapsed, jobless rates will be at 2010 levels once supports end and we have the biggest mental health crisis we have ever seen. Other diseases rise rapidly due a lack of people getting checked etc.

Spot on, but it's even more farcical than that. Airports/flights, bus and rail unaffected and travel for "reasons" (work, education, care - but really anything at all as it's all only advisory) similarly unaffected. Border travel unrestricted too of course.

But the bolded part is precisely why lockdown is a stupid answer and only does more damage after the initial dose of the "feels" for the fearful.

bazermc

Can I still go to the pub and have a bowl of chips and a pint under level 3?

Nollog

IngazZagni wrote: »

So Dublin locks down and cases go down. Great. Then they go back up again after. It's inevitable. What's the point? We will be going round in circles until a vaccine is available. Meanwhile the economy has collapsed, jobless rates will be at 2010 levels once supports end and we have the biggest mental health crisis we have ever seen. Other diseases rise rapidly due a lack of people getting checked etc.

I assume it gives hospitals time to clear out the people laying in bed sick with it before shipping in the new ones.

DangerScouse

Good news about Dublin going to level 3 tomorrow hopefully.

This is all about keeping our citizens safe.

Charles Babbage

IngazZagni wrote: »

So Dublin locks down and cases go down. Great. Then they go back up again after. It's inevitable. What's the point? We will be going round in circles until a vaccine is available. Meanwhile the economy has collapsed, jobless rates will be at 2010 levels once supports end and we have the biggest mental health crisis we have ever seen. Other diseases rise rapidly due a lack of people getting checked etc.

It is a easy to whine, but what do you propose? If this gets out of control the economy will collapse anyway and sick people of any sort won't be able to get into full hospitals where a big chunk of staff are isolating.

You do what you can.

Zebra3

Charles Babbage wrote: »

It is a easy to whine, but what do you propose? If this gets out of control the economy will collapse anyway and sick people of any sort won't be able to get into full hospitals where a big chunk of staff are isolating.

You do what you can.

The economy has collapsed.

hmmm

Zebra3 wrote: »

The economy has collapsed.

The economy is down 6%.

A collapse is what happens when people are afraid to leave their homes.

No-one likes the situation we are in. We need to push on and get through to a vaccine.

Zebra3

hmmm wrote: »

The economy is down 6%.

A collapse is what happens when people are afraid to leave their homes.

No-one likes the situation we are in. We need to push on and get through to a vaccine.

What vaccine is this?

Do you know something the rest of us don't?

odyssey06

Without any meaningful restrictions on foreign travel or self isolation Dublin will just be on a wheel of level up level down level up... I dont see what breaks the cycle.

Eod100

IngazZagni wrote: »

So Dublin locks down and cases go down. Great. Then they go back up again after. It's inevitable. What's the point? We will be going round in circles until a vaccine is available. Meanwhile the economy has collapsed, jobless rates will be at 2010 levels once supports end and we have the biggest mental health crisis we have ever seen. Other diseases rise rapidly due a lack of people getting checked etc.

You could use that logic to say it was pointless for NZ to try to achieve 0 covid. If more cases after restrictions concerns you why aren't you concerned with rising case numbers as it stands? Doesn't seem exactly consistent

Open the Pubs

RTE really ramping up the fear and terror on the news this evening. I imagine they are terrifying and depressing many people.

is_that_so

odyssey06 wrote: »

Without any meaningful restrictions on foreign travel or self isolation Dublin will just be on a wheel of level up level down level up... I dont see what breaks the cycle.

It's not the travel, it's the cluster nature of the disease that spreads it rapidly.

Charles Babbage

Zebra3 wrote: »

The economy has collapsed.

The economy has not collapsed, Ireland has one of the least declines in Europe. Most things are up and running. Some more economic activity could still be added if people acted responsibly, but some people seem determined not to.

odyssey06

is_that_so wrote: »

It's not the travel, it's the cluster nature of the disease that spreads it rapidly.

The travel reseeds it... the clusters have to have a source. I just see us in for rinse and repeat if either travel or household gatherings arent tackled. Level 3 or 4 doesnt connect with current clusters of concern.

is_that_so

odyssey06 wrote: »

The travel reseeds it... the clusters have to have a source. I just see us in for rinse and repeat if either travel or household gatherings arent tackled. Level 3 or 4 doesnt connect with current clusters of concern.

It's the socialising that reseeds it very fast and it has been our case for quite some weeks, meat plants aside. Many other countries are running into the same issue - too many people in locations and the lack of distancing.

IngazZagni

Eod100 wrote: »

You could use that logic to say it was pointless for NZ to try to achieve 0 covid. If more cases after restrictions concerns you why aren't you concerned with rising case numbers as it stands? Doesn't seem exactly consistent

New Zealand is an island with no land border and it's nearest neighbour being over 2,000 km away. Completely different place to Ireland in that sense.

I'm not saying more cases after lockdown concerns me. I'm saying it's inevitable. It will happen either way. We are just delaying it.

JimmyVik

IngazZagni wrote: »

New Zealand is an island with no land border and it's nearest neighbour being over 2,000 km away. Completely different place to Ireland in that sense.

I'm not saying more cases after lockdown concerns me. I'm saying it's inevitable. It will happen either way. We are just delaying it.

Coming up to summer in New Zealand. Id say they are twitching about tourist season there now. My bet is they'll open it up.

Pinoy adventure

Does anybody know what time the next meeting is too confirm the lockdown 2moro ?

Eod100

IngazZagni wrote: »

New Zealand is an island with no land border and it's nearest neighbour being over 2,000 km away. Completely different place to Ireland in that sense.

I'm not saying more cases after lockdown concerns me. I'm saying it's inevitable. It will happen either way. We are just delaying it.

Yes differences have been well discussed and I'm aware, my point was on the logic you're relying to make your argument. If you bring cases down to a sustainable level that healthcare system can cope with flu season approaching it buys time, protects vulnerable populations and hopefully means less time to a vaccine. What do you think cases will look like if no restrictions are implemented in Dublin? The public health experts have modeled it but maybe you have access to different data you could share?

Open the Pubs

Open the Pubs wrote: »

RTE really ramping up the fear and terror on the news this evening. I imagine they are terrifying and depressing many people.

George "everyone is doomed" Lee had to have been involved.

IngazZagni

Eod100 wrote: »

Yes differences have been well discussed and I'm aware, my point was on the logic you're relying to make your argument. If you bring cases down to a sustainable level that healthcare system can cope with flu season approaching it buys time, protects vulnerable populations and hopefully means less time to a vaccine. What do you think cases will look like if no restrictions are implemented in Dublin? The public health experts have modeled it but maybe you have access to different data you could share?

There is virtually no change in restrictions though. In Dublin you'll still need to order a €9 meal with a pint. It's all optics.

Open the Pubs

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

George "everyone is doomed" Lee had to have been involved.

George Lee is the king of fear. His daily doses of terror about climate change has turned into doom about Covid cases. Nothing is ever negative enough for George, he is the grim reaper of RTE.

Aren't we lucky he left the Dail because his wages as a politician weren't enough to match his RTE salary. Either way our money has been going in Georges pocket for many, many years.

Eod100

IngazZagni wrote: »

There is virtually no change in restrictions though. In Dublin you'll still need to order a €9 meal with a pint. It's all optics.

So your issue is the proposed measures aren't restrictive enough for Dublin? It's not clear yet what measures have been recommended and whether it will be level 3 with additional restrictions too

Open the Pubs

Open the Pubs wrote: »

George Lee is the king of fear. His daily doses of terror about climate change has turned into doom about Covid cases. Nothing is ever negative enough for George, he is the grim reaper of RTE.

Aren't we lucky he left the Dail because his wages as a politician weren't enough to match his RTE salary. Either way our money has been going in Georges pocket for many, many years.

RTÉ the venue giving him a job was a disgrace. He should never have been seen again.

Open the Pubs

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

RTÉ the venue giving him a job was a disgrace. He should never have been seen again.

Agreed once he went into the Dail he should have been done in RTE and any media outlet. It's not like he's short of money. Wouldn't happen in Britain or most other countries.

If a BBC reporter went into the House of Commons as MP, they wouldn't be handed their job back after when they got bored of it.

Tandey

Will all work be closed down as in factories and construction sites in level 3?

Tandey

Tandey wrote: »

Will all work be closed down as in factories and construction sites in level 3?

Not until 4 as far as I can see. 3 is work from home unless you can't, and 4 is essential only.

IngazZagni

Eod100 wrote: »

So your issue is the proposed measures aren't restrictive enough for Dublin? It's not clear yet what measures have been recommended and whether it will be level 3 with additional restrictions too

No I'm just stating what level 3 restrictions are. Wet pubs should actually be open but they are not because they'll just mish mash whatever flavour of the week together and come up with some random rules. The fact they can't even stick to their own levels 2 days after announcing them shows you what an utter farce this is. They haven't a clue.

Tandey

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Not until 4 as far as I can see. 3 is work from home unless you can't, and 4 is essential only.

That’s what I thought also but I read a recent piece in the journal that you are advised to only attend for essential on site meetings or training