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Is it time for a Dublin lockdown?

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    #932
    average_runner
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    expectationlost wrote: »
    to prevent deaths yes

    But shutting it down is causing more deaths. Death numbers are low throughout Europe on the second wave


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    #933
    average_runner
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    ReginaldSmythV wrote: »
    On the roads in and out of Dublin? There probably will but nobody knows if they'll be enforceable or just advisement.

    Most house parties are local, so road checks no use


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    #934
    Tenzor07
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    average_runner wrote: »
    Not sure opening pubs will solve the problem, but wont make it worst

    Maybe Ireland's just a very unique special place?

    Maybe we're fed up with a bloated HSE with a budget in the 10's of €Billions a year that lock us down to keep ICU's empty when they told us that's why we went into lockdown back 6 months or so ago and now we're back at that place again.... Or fed up being led by a Government whose members go to a party attended by 81 people the day after some of them make up the restrictions... Our leaders who equate the coronavirus to jumping on a trampoline or who think Covid19 had 18 previous versions.... A deputy Taoiseach who makes comments in the media as if he's not in Government or had no part in the last 6 months of mis-management that has got us back to where we were previously despite the closing of pubs and schools and the Ban on travel that most other EU states lifted months ago...


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    #935
    stephenjmcd
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    ReginaldSmythV wrote: »
    On the roads in and out of Dublin? There probably will but nobody knows if they'll be enforceable or just advisement.

    Highly unlikely to have them on the main roads, too much traffic through Dublin.

    More likely to have local roads, city centre etc.


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    #936
    expectationlost
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    average_runner wrote: »
    But shutting it down is causing more deaths. Death numbers are low throughout Europe on the second wave
    wait for it


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    #937
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    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Highly unlikely to have them on the main roads, too much traffic through Dublin.

    More likely to have local roads, city centre etc.

    Not much point in them in the city centre if they're checking people entering and leaving the county. It's on the borders with Meath, Kildare, and Wicklow they'd need to check surely?


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    #938
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    average_runner wrote: »
    Most house parties are local, so road checks no use

    I'm not taking about parties. Checkpoints means on the roads for travel.

    They can't check houses for private parties at all.


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    #939
    Open the Pubs
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    I find it utterly incredible that they are even considering closing down the restaurants and food pubs in Dublin never mind actually doing it.

    It goes totally against there own guidelines they just released? So we have the situation were Dublin is now 2.5, they are taking about putting it to 3 but closing restaurants and food pubs is not on Level 3? How on earth could this be justified? They are basically ripping up and shredding their own guidelines they just released? So they aren't worth the paper they are written on.

    I really think they are underestimating the anger they are creating and suffering they are creating particularly to small business owners. NPHET has turned into an utter disgrace.


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    #940
    Hawthorn Tree
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    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Maybe Ireland's just a very unique special place?

    Maybe we're fed up with a bloated HSE with a budget in the 10's of €Billions a year that lock us down to keep ICU's empty when they told us that's why we went into lockdown back 6 months or so ago and now we're back at that place again.... Or fed up being led by a Government whose members go to a party attended by 81 people the day after some of them make up the restrictions... Our leaders who equate the coronavirus to jumping on a trampoline or who think Covid19 had 18 previous versions.... A deputy Taoiseach who makes comments in the media as if he's not in Government or had no part in the last 6 months of mis-management that has got us back to where we were previously despite the closing of pubs and schools and the Ban on travel that most other EU states lifted months ago...

    The HSE will be an even more dysfunctional organisation when this Covid pandemic is over. You wouldn't believe the waste and bureaucracy.


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    #941
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    Open the Pubs wrote: »
    I find it utterly incredible that they are even considering closing down the restaurants and food pubs in Dublin never mind actually doing it.

    It goes totally against there own guidelines they just released? So we have the situation were Dublin is now 2.5, they are taking about putting it to 3 but closing restaurants and food pubs is not on Level 3? How on earth could this be justified? They are basically ripping up and shredding their own guidelines they just released? So they aren't worth the paper they are written on.

    I really think they are underestimating the anger they are creating and suffering they are creating particularly to small business owners. NPHET has turned into an utter disgrace.

    It's going to 3 and a bit from 2 and a bit.


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    #942
    joebloggs32
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    average_runner wrote: »
    But shutting it down is causing more deaths. Death numbers are low throughout Europe on the second wave

    The first wave did not truly capture the number of positive cases due to testing limitations.
    Spains rates of reported infections topped out around 10k per day at the time, but in reality it was probably 4 to 5 times that.
    In this wave 10k is probably much closer yo the actual levels of infections as testing is now far more robust.
    We all know that the death rate lags some 4 to 6 weeks behind case numbers. Spain will in a months time most likely be reporting 100's of deaths per day based on its current rate of infection.


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    #943
    expectationlost
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    Open the Pubs wrote: »
    I find it utterly incredible that they are even considering closing down the restaurants and food pubs in Dublin never mind actually doing it.

    It goes totally against there own guidelines they just released? So we have the situation were Dublin is now 2.5, they are taking about putting it to 3 but closing restaurants and food pubs is not on Level 3? How on earth could this be justified? They are basically ripping up and shredding their own guidelines they just released? So they aren't worth the paper they are written on.
    the guidelines aren't theres they are the governments, what they suggested was here https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/ba4aa0-letters-from-the-cmo-to-the-minister-for-health/


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    #944
    HBC08
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    A full lockdown in the spring was the only course of action based on the info available then and i fully supported it.
    I kinda think the 5 level approach is a decent idea but theyre already making a mess out of it.
    I dont like the narrative that "house parties" are spreading it.The reality is its house parties,lads coming over to watch the match,games nights,neighbours popping in for a cup of tea etc,all socialising in whats being called an unsupervised environment......so the answer to this is to get rid of the supervised envoirnments where people can socialise safely? thats just mental.


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    #945
    expectationlost
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    Dr on news today said family visiting (even if its only a couple of people) should be wearing masks, everyone doing that :/


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    #946
    Open the Pubs
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    expectationlost wrote: »
    the guidelines aren't theres they are the governments, what they suggested was here https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/ba4aa0-letters-from-the-cmo-to-the-minister-for-health/

    If that is the case, then logically the Government should be rejecting the recommendation going by their own guidelines. I'm not even sure why there is a recommendation at all, it should be a straight choice of levels but we are seeing a pick n mix of what they want from different levels?

    Donnelly should resign, utterly incompetent. I don't care if he went to Harvard and was in McKinsey. A politician from a lesser background probably would have been ran out of town long ago. Every single day there is some other scandal or terrible decision.


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    #947
    expectationlost
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    Open the Pubs wrote: »
    If that is the case, then logically the Government should be rejecting the recommendation going by their own guidelines. I'm not even sure why there is a recommendation at all, it should be a straight choice of levels but we are seeing a pick n mix of what they want from different levels?

    Donnelly should resign, utterly incompetent. I don't care if he went to Harvard and was in McKinsey. A politician from a lesser background probably would have been ran out of town long ago. Every single day there is some other scandal or terrible decision.


    NPHET really want them to go to level 4 (i think).


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    #948
    imme
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    Open the Pubs wrote: »
    If that is the case, then logically the Government should be rejecting the recommendation going by their own guidelines. I'm not even sure why there is a recommendation at all, it should be a straight choice of levels but we are seeing a pick n mix of what they want from different levels?

    Donnelly should resign, utterly incompetent. I don't care if he went to Harvard and was in McKinsey. A politician from a lesser background probably would have been ran out of town long ago. Every single day there is some other scandal or terrible decision.

    Scandalous!

    A scandal a day you say.?

    Talk is cheap Open The Pubs.


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    #949
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    expectationlost wrote: »
    Dr on news today said family visiting (even if its only a couple of people) should be wearing masks, everyone doing that :/
    He can f#ck right off he thinks people are going to wear masks on family visits. Bad enough wearing them in shops and shopping centres


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    #950
    Mongfinder General
    Registered Users Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭Mongfinder General


    Open the Pubs wrote: »
    If that is the case, then logically the Government should be rejecting the recommendation going by their own guidelines. I'm not even sure why there is a recommendation at all, it should be a straight choice of levels but we are seeing a pick n mix of what they want from different levels?

    Donnelly should resign, utterly incompetent. I don't care if he went to Harvard and was in McKinsey. A politician from a lesser background probably would have been ran out of town long ago. Every single day there is some other scandal or terrible decision.

    Most worrying about Donnelly is that the shape of his head appears to have transmogrified since he left the social democrats. It's really bizarre. It has gone from a peanut shape to a rounder egg shaped head.


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    #951
    imme
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    Mongfinder General wrote: »
    Most worrying about Donnelly is that the shape of his head appears to have transmogrified since he left the social democrats. It's really bizarre. It has gone from a peanut shape to a rounder egg shaped head.

    He was always a bit egg headed.


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    #952
    KaneToad
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    Open the Pubs wrote: »
    I find it utterly incredible that they are even considering closing down the restaurants and food pubs in Dublin never mind actually doing it.

    It goes totally against there own guidelines they just released? So we have the situation were Dublin is now 2.5, they are taking about putting it to 3 but closing restaurants and food pubs is not on Level 3? How on earth could this be justified? They are basically ripping up and shredding their own guidelines they just released? So they aren't worth the paper they are written on.

    I really think they are underestimating the anger they are creating and suffering they are creating particularly to small business owners. NPHET has turned into an utter disgrace.

    NPHET advise on matters pertaining to public health. That is their area of expertise. The govt are making the decisions.


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    #953
    stephenjmcd
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    ReginaldSmythV wrote: »
    Not much point in them in the city centre if they're checking people entering and leaving the county. It's on the borders with Meath, Kildare, and Wicklow they'd need to check surely?

    As I said very difficult as you've traffic traveling through Dublin to elsewhere.

    Was easier when it was national restrictions. Even the Kildare checkpoints were off the motorways and even then it was hit and miss if you came across one


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    #954
    weldoninhio
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    expectationlost wrote: »
    to prevent deaths yes

    You can’t prevent death. It’s inevitable


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    #955
    expectationlost
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    You can’t prevent death. It’s inevitable
    your one of those the old and sick are going to die anyway types?


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    #956
    weldoninhio
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    expectationlost wrote: »
    your one of those the old and sick are going to die anyway types?

    Everyone’s gonna die buddy. Some young, some old. Some sick, some fit. Some preventable, some not.

    Stop worrying about dying and try to live.


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    #957
    quokula
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Everyone’s gonna die buddy. Some young, some old. Some sick, some fit. Some preventable, some not.

    Stop worrying about dying and try to live.

    Yeah and lets get rid of seat belts and speed limits so we can all enjoy ourselves a bit more on the roads too :rolleyes:


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    #958
    weldoninhio
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    quokula wrote: »
    Yeah and lets get rid of seat belts and speed limits so we can all enjoy ourselves a bit more on the roads too :rolleyes:

    Yeah, that’s exactly what I said. Bravo. Much room under your bed Chicken Little??


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    #959
    Chris_Heilong
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    Most people I see out and about don not seem to care about wearing masks unless they are going into shops, I am usually the only person around wearing a mask so it is no wonder we are doing so bad in regards infection numbers.


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    #960
    Restrooms
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    John_Rambo wrote: »
    I'm not sure. Assuming personal responsibility is historically difficult for some aspects of society in Ireland. Cross media hammering it home is going to have to be done for the people who genuinely don't know any better.

    A nationwide address from someone of note is going to have to take place. .

    Bono?


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    #961
    321123
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    Chris_Heilong wrote: »
    Most people I see out and about don not seem to care about wearing masks unless they are going into shops, I am usually the only person around wearing a mask so it is no wonder we are doing so bad in regards infection numbers.
    And in the Scandinavian countries they are not wearing masks anywhere (well on public transportation in Denmark) and besides Denmark the Scandinavian countries have among the lowest infection rates in Europe. Clearly it's not the lack of masks outdoors that are driving the spread.


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