Is it time for a Dublin lockdown?

MarkY91

gmisk wrote: »

I was in city centre just now for first time in a few weeks.
So quiet and so many shops closed.
The only people wandering about were mostly lost looking tourists and a few alcoholics/junkies.
I popped into aldo on Henry Street. They are having a massive closing down sale sad to see.
There is going to be a massive amount of long established shops etc that are never going to reopen.

Town is jam packed 7 days a week. What the **** are you talking about?

Time for a nationwide lockdown again.

gmisk

MarkY91 wrote: »

Town is jam packed 7 days a week. What the **** are you talking about?

Don't be rude there is no need for it.
I was in town from 10-1115ish yesterday that was my experience.

Chivito550

gmisk wrote: »

I was in city centre just now for first time in a few weeks.
So quiet and so many shops closed.
The only people wandering about were mostly lost looking tourists and a few alcoholics/junkies.
I popped into aldo on Henry Street. They are having a massive closing down sale sad to see.
There is going to be a massive amount of long established shops etc that are never going to reopen.

Incredibly insensitive to be referring to people as junkies. You've no idea what people have gone through in their lives to get to a stage where they are homeless and in deep levels of addiction. They are also among the highest risk people during Covid-19.

Have a bit of compassion and be thankful that neither you or your loved ones are living such hell on a daily basis.

Chivito550

Chivito550 wrote: »

Incredibly insensitive to be referring to people as junkies. You've no idea what people have gone through in their lives to get to a stage where they are homeless and in deep levels of addiction. They are also among the highest risk people during Covid-19.

Have a bit of compassion and be thankful that neither you or your loved ones are living such hell on a daily basis.

No, junkies are junkies. There’s plenty of other threads on here to play woke, any amount of them.

gmisk

Chivito550 wrote: »

Incredibly insensitive to be referring to people as junkies. You've no idea what people have gone through in their lives to get to a stage where they are homeless and in deep levels of addiction. They are also among the highest risk people during Covid-19.

Have a bit of compassion and be thankful that neither you or your loved ones are living such hell on a daily basis.

When I passed a group of people literally shooting up heroin in a doorway...I am sorry but they are junkies.

Chivito550

gmisk wrote: »

When I passed a group of people literally shooting up heroin in a doorway...I am sorry but they are junkies.

Yep, that's generally what people who are addicted to drugs tend to do!

St.Spodo

At 613 cases, you'd have to think it's a long way back to double figures with schools staying open. I can't see a situation where schools, dine in restaurants and pubs are open at the same time in Dublin this side of the winter.

Mysteriouschic

Seems to have risen since the schools opened I don't want another lockdown but if they do they should stop flights as well from coming in otherwise it's stupid having flights in/out while the rest of the country is on lockdown. I really hope we don't cases are gonna always be rising we are going to end up in a spiral of lockdowns and reopens if thats the way they approach things not actually living with the virus but letting it control us.

JimmyVik

Its a political decision now.
If the government want to go against medical advice then they can indeed not go to level 5.
But then they have to answer for things if they go wrong. They would be responsible for any increased amounts of deaths.
No politician will put themselves in this situation, so they have to follow nphets advice.

This means that right now the government is putting pressure on nphet to change their advice.
So that the government can just say "we followed nphet advice" if things go wrong.

rubadub

Chivito550 wrote: »

Incredibly insensitive to be referring to people as junkies.

? why single out that word, have you no issue with the similar term "alcoholic" which they also used?

I would find it just as offensive (which is not at all, but some do). You realise junk is a term for heroin?

If it was shortened to alco would it suddenly be "incredibly insensitive"?

JP Liz V1

As numbers still high, level 4 or 5 for Dublin now?

JP Liz V1

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

As numbers still high, level 4 or 5 for Dublin now?

Sorry that ship has well sailed. It’ll be nationwide all the way now.

JP Liz V1

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Sorry that ship has well sailed. It’ll be nationwide all the way now.

Yes nationwide level 5 for Christmas

jams100

MarkY91 wrote: »

Town is jam packed 7 days a week. What the **** are you talking about?

Jam packed? Yea right, Town is and has been dead for weeks

jams100

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

As numbers still high, level 4 or 5 for Dublin now?

What if we don't get a vaccine by March? Just keep continuing locking down? Despite the amount of work being done on vaccines there's no guarantee they will be effective and even if they are we are realistically talking the middle of next year (which I think, would be best case scenario)

jams100

jams100 wrote: »

What if we don't get a vaccine by March? Just keep continuing locking down? Despite the amount of work being done on vaccines there's no guarantee they will be effective and even if they are we are realistically talking the middle of next year (which I think, would be best case scenario)

Then yes, we keep locking down.

odyssey06

Between Level 3 and Level 4, the main difference I see is that non essential retail is shut.
Can't see them putting Dublin on Level 4 in the run up to Christmas given the economic impact of that versus actual impact on virus spread...

I can see the country going to Level 5 around Halloween mid-term for 2-3 weeks as a 'circuit break'.

jams100

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Then yes, we keep locking down.

So when this comes to an end how are we supposed to upgrade our hospital system?
Out of interest does going to level 5 put you onto the pup?
Does the mental health impact have any effect on your thoughts of moving to level 5?

jams100

jams100 wrote: »

So when this comes to an end how are we supposed to upgrade our hospital system?
Out of interest does going to level 5 put you onto the pup?
Does the mental health impact have any effect on your thoughts of moving to level 5?

I’ll leave it there once mental health is mentioned. The catch-all excuse for all of the “I don’t want” brigade these days.

faceman

saabsaab wrote: »

Too much nonsense about mental health in relation to covid. No evidence to back it up either.

:rolleyes:

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyt.2020.00790/full?&utm_source=Email_to_authors_&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=T1_11.5e1_author&utm_campaign=Email_publication&field=&journalName=Frontiers_in_Psychiatry&id=550552

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1876201820301775

https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1379.short

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/article-abstract/2764404

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7305748/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7305748/

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanchi/article/PIIS2352-4642(20)30096-1/fulltext?luicode=10000011&lfid=1076036655475536&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thelancet.com%2Fjournals%2Flanchi%2Farticle%2FPIIS2352-4642%2820%2930096-1%2Ffulltext

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0020764020915212

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2008017

https://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=S1516-44462020000300232&script=sci_arttext

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0889159120305110

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2215036620301681

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0231924

https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/331490/WHO-2019-nCoV-MentalHealth-2020.1-eng.pdf

https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/tmj.2020.0068

https://europepmc.org/article/med/32131151

ReginaldSmythV

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

I’ll leave it there once mental health is mentioned. The catch-all excuse for all of the “I don’t want” brigade these days.

Incredibly narrowminded.

Here is an interesting thought; There can be those who use mental health related issues to avoid adhering to Covid restrictions, AND (hold on now because this is where it gets complicated) people who have their mental health negatively impacted by Covid.

saabsaab

Deleted User wrote: »

Incredibly narrowminded.

Here is an interesting thought; There can be those who use mental health related issues to avoid adhering to Covid restrictions, AND (hold on now because this is where it gets complicated) people who have their mental health negatively impacted by Covid.

There can be but it's the former we are complaining about. 'Narrow minded' is often used as a slur on those who don't have the same opinion as those accusing them of 'narrowmindedness'

saabsaab

saabsaab wrote: »

There can be but it's the former we are complaining about. 'Narrow minded' is often used as a slur on those who don't have the same opinion as those accusing them of 'narrowmindedness'

I use it to refer to people who think in black and white and can't see all the different possibilities.

ShineOn7

91 cases in Dublin today

The Restrictions are working or there's a big scary backlog to be dropped before the week is up?

faceman

ShineOn7 wrote: »

91 cases in Dublin today

The Restrictions are working or there's a big scary backlog to be dropped before the week is up?

In fairness Dublin has been trending downward, albeit slowly

faceman

I see the ‘WhatsApp’ messages have started now again with the “I heard from my Mam’s friend that teachers are told level 5 is happening [insert random date here]”

The government would deliberately tell teachers nothing.

sheepsh4gger

Halloween break = level 5

agoodpunt

keeping schools open is the no1 priority has shut down the hospitality industry increased unemployment