All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

King Mob

NaFirinne wrote: »

So if Europe is pushing a vaccine passport system which is to be administrated through the World health Organisation by China then yes in my view there all conspiring together for their benefit not the worlds or the rest of us.

You too have also ignored my questions. You have admitted you cannot explain what measures will be permanent or why.

So since now all the posting conspiracy theorists have admitted this, and seem completely unwilling to explain why they still hold to a conspiracy they can't explain, is there any point to this thread?

NaFirinne

King Mob wrote: »

But if this is the case, how come you guys haven't been able to answer the questions we keep asking?
Why have you had to keep running away from these questions and ignoring them?

Answer them now please:
What measures will be permanent.
Why?

If you ignore them again, you will be admitting you can't answer them..
There's no point giving you guys the benefit of the doubt anymore.

Please answer the questions directly clearly and concisely. A rambling rant like you previous post will not be needed.

And just look at the many many many predictions made on this forum about every other crisis and "secret plan" and "event". It's not any different.

Why do you believe those predictions were wrong?
Why should any one believe that this time you guys are going to be right? (Especially given the constant dishonesty and evasion you've been displaying.)

The vaccine passport will be pernament and transformed into a social credit score system that they have in China, under the guise of a different name.


It's very hard to quickly look over all the predictions that were made, can you list some?


From what I'm seeing conspiracy theorists have gotten more rigth then wrong, it's also apparent that there is no debate on any mainstream media platform over the directives initiated by the government. There is no hard questions been asked of the government. People looks at the actions organisations are taking and are made draw conclusions so they can prepare for the worst.


Edward Snowden proved to the world the governments lie and perform illegal activities. When there eventually found out they then try make there illegal activities lawfull by changing the laws. People don't seem to have the abiltity even in a democracy to stop these laws and prevent the governments carrying out secret and illegal activities even if the majority disagree.

NaFirinne

King Mob wrote: »

You too have also ignored my questions. You have admitted you cannot explain what measures will be permanent or why.

So since now all the posting conspiracy theorists have admitted this, and seem completely unwilling to explain why they still hold to a conspiracy they can't explain, is there any point to this thread?

What do you mean by why?


Why did China implement a social credit system?

King Mob

NaFirinne wrote: »

The vaccine passport will be pernament and transformed into a social credit score system that they have in China, under the guise of a different name.
.

Ok finally. You are the first conspiracy theorist to have successfully addressed the questions. Well done.

So your claim is that the vaccine passports will be permanent and will morph into a social credit system.
Ok. When will this happen? This year?


Other conspiracy theorists have claimed that masks and social distancing will be permanet. Do you agree with this claim?

NaFirinne wrote: »

It's very hard to quickly look over all the predictions that were made, can you list some?
.

No, let's focus on the claims made in this thread. You guys have had 270 pages of deflection. You aren't entitled for more.
If you want to see, just search for the term Pandemic in this forum.

King Mob

NaFirinne wrote: »

From what I'm seeing conspiracy theorists have gotten more rigth then wrong,

And just for reference, conspiracy theorists on this thread have claimed:
The covid virus doesn't exist.
The covid virus is the flu.
The covid virus is only as deadly as the flu.
The covid virus has killed less than has been claimed.

They have claimed the vaccines:
Are deadly.
Have serious side effects including blindness and paralysis.
Don't work.
Aren't as good "natural immunity"
will contain secret nanotechnology for the purposes of tracking people.
will alter our DNA
will alter our DNA to specifically allow us to interface with AI.
will cause infertility.
are just the goal of the entire fake pandemic.
Are the mark of the beast

They have also claimed:
That there would be martial law.
That people would be forced to get vaccines and punished for not getting vaccines.
That ownership will be abolished.
That satanists rule the world secretly.
That anyone who expresses doubt in the conspiracy theories are shills.

We've also been told that ALL of the covid measures would be permenant.

And probably a bunch of other stuff I'm missing.

So what exactly were conspiracy theorists right about?

Guy:Incognito

NaFirinne wrote: »

From what I'm seeing conspiracy theorists have gotten more rigth then wrong,.

Nonsense. Conspiracy theorists have flung muck at pretty much everything thats occurred in human history. Its impossible for more of it to have been right than wrong.

NaFirinne wrote: »

Edward Snowden proved to the world the governments lie and perform illegal activities. .

Bull****. People have known governments do that for as long as there have been governments. Dont try drop a pin and say "this is where people found out" as a way to legitamise conspiracies. People lie. Conspiracy theorists are right up there with the best of them.


The "Covid lockdowns are just a cover for the installations of 5g masts" stuff all went away. That was the start of it last year before moving on to another reason and we are supposed to pretend that stuff wasnt said.

QAnon is a constant stream of nonsense that doesnt come true before moving to the next thing. It's real easy to track it since they handily bundled it in to one group of crazy.

PintOfView

NaFirinne wrote: »

What I'm saying is the the vaccine cert system is being transformed into a type of social credit score system they have in China for the rest of the world.

I don't think it's stupid to run drills, it quite good the world does that.

There is a very interesting drill coming up in June/July about a world hack on our financial and energy industries. I guess we find of it this is made into a reality real world event soon after following that drill.

What I am saying is that in the drills that they have run, they present how they use the drills in order to change laws and to suppress freedoms and also detail how they use media propaganda to appease the majority of people. Thats why I think people should read through these drills such as the SPARS document to see the thinking behind the decisions they make during a world pandemic.


Also really what does it come down too is Follow the flow of wealth and money in all this.


Is there anyone or organisation in the world that is profitting hugely by the pandemic and do they have world wide influence over the strategies being taken to combat the pandemic? - The answer is yes there is and why would they want this to stop?

Is there any super power benefitting hugely from this Pandemic? - China appear to be benefitting hugely out of this pandemic. US and west are greatly weakend while there economy and wealth is growing.

So if Europe is pushing a vaccine passport system which is to be administrated through the World health Organisation by China then yes in my view there all conspiring together for their benefit not the worlds or the rest of us.

How does the vaccine cert in any way, in any way at all, mirror what the Chinese are doing on the social credit system?
If something makes sense to do, and it bears some resemblance to what China are doing, will you oppose it just for that reason?

Re drills on a world hack.
Do you know about the absolute gigantic hack that took place last winter, affecting both the US and the rest of the world
(look up "solarWinds hack", and that's not the only recent big one).
These are happening all the time, and it makes perfect sense to drill for them.
There will certainly be examples after the drill, which will fall nicely into a conspiracy scenario!!

I'm also not saying the world is perfect, and there are plenty of unsavoury things happening all the time.
The mistake is to extrapolate indiscriminately without evidence.

You seem to be saying that just because China dealt with the virus differently,
and seems to have successfully controlled it,
and the US made a dog's dinner of it,
it must be because of a Chinese plan?

Isn't one reason the US did so bad down to their previous President?
And also down to media like Fox News, and web sites, like ones you possibly read, promoting misinformation seemingly for political purposes?

Guy:Incognito

King Mob wrote: »

And just for reference, conspiracy theorists on this thread have claimed:
The covid virus doesn't exist.
The covid virus is the flu.
The covid virus is only as deadly as the flu.
The covid virus has killed less than has been claimed.

They have claimed the vaccines:
Are deadly.
Have serious side effects including blindness and paralysis.
Don't work.
Aren't as good "natural immunity"
will contain secret nanotechnology for the purposes of tracking people.
will alter our DNA
will alter our DNA to specifically allow us to interface with AI.
will cause infertility.
are just the goal of the entire fake pandemic.
Are the mark of the beast

They have also claimed:
That there would be martial law.
That people would be forced to get vaccines and punished for not getting vaccines.
That ownership will be abolished.
That satanists rule the world secretly.
That anyone who expresses doubt in the conspiracy theories are shills.

We've also been told that ALL of the covid measures would be permenant.

And probably a bunch of other stuff I'm missing.

So what exactly were conspiracy theorists right about?

"I've done all the stuff it says, even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff":pac::pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTU_qaK0NeU

PintOfView

NaFirinne wrote: »

Edward Snowden proved to the world the governments lie and perform illegal activities. When there eventually found out they then try make there illegal activities lawfull by changing the laws. People don't seem to have the abiltity even in a democracy to stop these laws and prevent the governments carrying out secret and illegal activities even if the majority disagree.

Yes, it's clear that the larger governments do lie about some things, and have various ways of getting away with what would be illegal activity (usually war or terrorism related)

But they are not all acting in concert.
In fact most of the time they are acting against each other.
The US has just imposed sanctions on Russia due to interference in their elections,
and also because they blame Russia for a huge cyber attack in the last few months.

How does all that fit into your picture?

NaFirinne

King Mob wrote: »

Ok finally. You are the first conspiracy theorist to have successfully addressed the questions. Well done.

So your claim is that the vaccine passports will be permanent and will morph into a social credit system.
Ok. When will this happen? This year?


Other conspiracy theorists have claimed that masks and social distancing will be permanet. Do you agree with this claim?

No, let's focus on the claims made in this thread. You guys have had 270 pages of deflection. You aren't entitled for more.
If you want to see, just search for the term Pandemic in this forum.

The vaccine passports will start being introduced this year - although the might take different names in various countries. People will be coerced into using this system and how long it will take to get everyone on board - probably another 1 - 2 years.


People using the vaccine passports and showing an all clear status on the app won't have to wear the Masks or confirm to social distancing. Those refusing the app or not showing clear will have to wear masks, and conform to whatever isolation or social distancing as required.


The pandemic will continue on with further more severe strains poping up which will require everyone to become re-vaccinated every year to six months. Either that or there will be another more severe pandemic arising, combined possibly on a hack on the Global financial systems and Energy industry.


The vaccine passport will be morphing into the social credit system towards the end of the pandemic around 2023.


on another note we will start seeing more of the medium term side effects of the vaccines around 2022 and this will continue into the years to come.

Thinkingaboutit

Honestly the pub and the church will be kept closed the longest. Even their case numbers seem low. Why? Because *u** you. Stand in the rain, eat the bugs, you'll own nothing and be happy. Irish people are largely passive, and won't do what's necessary, to pay them the wages of tyranny (in Minecraft).

NaFirinne

PintOfView wrote: »

Yes, it's clear that the larger governments do lie about some things, and have various ways of getting away with what would be illegal activity (usually war or terrorism related)

But they are not all acting in concert.
In fact most of the time they are acting against each other.
The US has just imposed sanctions on Russia due to interference in their elections,
and also because they blame Russia for a huge cyber attack in the last few months.

How does all that fit into your picture?

China are playing the US and Russia against each other in order to further weaken these super powers so it can more easily come out on top.


During the trump era we didn't hear much on the US vs Russia over the Ukraine, when it was almost coming to war near the end of the Obama administration.


Now that Obama's right hand Biden is president we see a return to this stand off.


The current US government seem to be playing right into China's hand by furthering weakening the US and strenghtening China.

King Mob

NaFirinne wrote: »

The vaccine passports will start being introduced this year - although the might take different names in various countries. People will be coerced into using this system and how long it will take to get everyone on board - probably another 1 - 2 years.

Ok. So in 1 or 2 years, we will be on a social credit system like in China.
Cool. This is of course nonsense, but at least you're being clear about your beliefs.

So since this is the case, what are you doing to prepare or fight against this?

NaFirinne wrote: »

The pandemic will continue on with further more severe strains poping up which will require everyone to become re-vaccinated every year to six months. Either that or there will be another more severe pandemic arising, combined possibly on a hack on the Global financial systems and Energy industry.

Ok. So inside of two years there will also be a (presumably fake) hack on something.

Is this based on some specific inside information you have, or is this just something you are speculating?

What happens when none of your claims pan out in 2 years time?
What will you think then?

NaFirinne wrote: »

People using the vaccine passports and showing an all clear status on the app won't have to wear the Masks or confirm to social distancing.

Ok. So the other conspiracy theorists on this thread were wrong.
Why do you think they were making these false claims?

we will start seeing more of the medium term side effects

Could you also explain what you mean by this and provide the evidence for this side effects?
Is it just something you're making up?

Kumejima

The conspiracy theory divide is populated on one side by deranged lunatics who believe that those in power conspire against the populace to force ever more authoritarian measures of control, surveillance and oppression, sometimes even deliberately poisoning or killing the population in order to maintain or increase their own hold on power.

On the other side are sane, rational, level headed people, who are smart and wise enough not to fall for such bunkum. They have also, apparently, never read a history book.

Timberrrrrrrr

Thinkingaboutit wrote: »

Honestly the pub and the church will be kept closed the longest. Even their case numbers seem low. Why? Because *u** you. Stand in the rain, eat the bugs, you'll own nothing and be happy. Irish people are largely passive, and won't do what's necessary, to pay them the wages of tyranny (in Minecraft).

I live in the UK, Pubs are open...that's your conspiracy blown out of the water I guess.

NaFirinne

King Mob wrote: »

Ok. So in 1 or 2 years, we will be on a social credit system like in China.
Cool. This is of course nonsense, but at least you're being clear about your beliefs.

So since this is the case, what are you doing to prepare or fight against this?

I'm preparing.

King Mob wrote: »

Ok. So inside of two years there will also be a (presumably fake) hack on something.

Is this based on some specific inside information you have, or is this just something you are speculating?

Did you know that there is a security system being used across both the energy sector and financial sector to control Admin level access to all these companies?


I suspect that this one security tool could become compromised and used to mount an attack on these industries at any stage.




What happens when none of your claims pan out in 2 years time?
What will you think then?


I think a lot of them will pan out, but plans can change and adapt to different situations as they arise.

King Mob wrote: »

Ok. So the other conspiracy theorists on this thread were wrong.
Why do you think they were making these false claims?

I don't know what false claims other people have made.

NaFirinne

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I live in the UK, Pubs are open...that's your conspiracy blown out of the water I guess.

Like a boa constrictor they let go a little and then squeeze tighter


So they open and then the close harder.


Although did you see in Texas they opened up everything and removed all Masks and the covid cases have dropped significantly. Not everyone is vaccinated there either.


Lets see if all this remains open without the requirement of a vaccine passport / certificate - I do hope it does.

I wonder will this more severe african strain find it's way to the UK and cause a new lockdown.

King Mob

NaFirinne wrote: »

I'm preparing.

By doing...?

I think that you aren't actually preparing ****. This is because you are aware that your beliefs are a bit silly and probably aren't true.
It's all fun to be a conspiracy theorist on line, but I doubt very much that you're actually altering your life around these silly beliefs.

If you are however, I suggest getting help.

NaFirinne wrote: »

Did you know that there is a security system being used across both the energy sector and financial sector to control Admin level access to all these companies?


I suspect that this one security tool could become compromised and used to mount an attack on these industries at any stage.

You were doing so well. Don't start ignoring questions now.
I asked if this was based on inside information or something you're just speculating.
Which is it?

NaFirinne wrote: »

I think a lot of them will pan out, but plans can change and adapt to different situations as they arise.

Ok. So even if all your predictions don't come true, you will believe that you are still right.

You understand why that's ridiculous, right?

How will you know that it was because they changed plans, and not that you were just wrong?

NaFirinne wrote: »

I don't know what false claims other people have made.

The claimed that masks and social distancing will be permanent.

Why do they claim that when it's wrong?

King Mob

NaFirinne wrote: »

Although did you see in Texas they opened up everything and removed all Masks and the covid cases have dropped significantly. Not everyone is vaccinated there either.


Lets see if all this remains open without the requirement of a vaccine passport / certificate - I do hope it does.

So you're saying that Texas is not part of the global conspiracy?

NaFirinne

King Mob wrote: »

By doing...?

You were doing so well. Don't start ignoring questions now.
I asked if this was based on inside information or something you're just speculating.
Which is it?

I'm not ignoring this question, I just don't want to reveal personal information online.


It's based on working in the IT sector and energy industry that I know this. Not on any online conspiracy theory.


One company controls privileged access management accross the majority of companies and organisations in the Energy and Financial Markets.

King Mob

NaFirinne wrote: »

I'm not ignoring this question, I just don't want to reveal personal information online.

You say this, yet you still ignore the question and other questions I asked.

Why?

What are you doing to prepare?
If you ignore the question again, it's an admission that I was right and you're not actually doing anything.

NaFirinne wrote: »

It's based on working in the IT sector and energy industry that I know this. Not on any online conspiracy theory.

One company controls privileged access management accross the majority of companies and organisations in the Energy and Financial Markets.

Yet, previously you said you didn't want to reveal personal information. You're contradicting yourself.

Also again, you have not answered the question.
Do you have specific inside information.
Are you just speculating?

Again, if you dodge the question, I will assume the answer is you are just speculating.


Also, could you go back and address the other questions in my post, or else explain why you are dodging them.

Ok. So even if all your predictions don't come true, you will believe that you are still right.

You understand why that's ridiculous, right?

How will you know that it was because they changed plans, and not that you were just wrong?


The claimed that masks and social distancing will be permanent.

Why do they claim that when it's wrong?

we will start seeing more of the medium term side effects

Could you also explain what you mean by this and provide the evidence for this side effects?
Is it just something you're making up?

You started off well, but now it seems that because the questions are trying to scratch past the shallow part of your conspiracy, you are reverting to the tactic of dodging and running away.
How disappointing.

Dohnjoe

99.992% of fully vaccinated people have dodged COVID, CDC data shows
https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/04/99-992-of-fully-vaccinated-people-have-dodged-covid-cdc-data-shows/

According to conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers (same thing really) we should be terrified of these vaccines (and obviously not the disease it tackles that has killed 3 million people)

Dohnjoe

NaFirinne wrote: »

The vaccine passports will start being introduced this year - although the might take different names in various countries. People will be coerced into using this system and how long it will take to get everyone on board - probably another 1 - 2 years.

This whole thing is your personal unique conspiracy theory.

There are multiple different personal unique conspiracies in this thread if you hadn't already noticed. They are all different from each other. Which one is correct?

Can I just invent my own in my head?

Is that how this works?

PintOfView

Kumejima wrote: »

The conspiracy theory divide is populated on one side by deranged lunatics who believe that those in power conspire against the populace to force ever more authoritarian measures of control, surveillance and oppression, sometimes even deliberately poisoning or killing the population in order to maintain or increase their own hold on power.

On the other side are sane, rational, level headed people, who are smart and wise enough not to fall for such bunkum. They have also, apparently, never read a history book.

What does history teach us about
a) the covid pandemic, and
b) the claimed global conspiracy that's going on?

Is there a precedent for a situation where global governments, and all their organs of state, conspire against all their respective populations?

PintOfView

NaFirinne wrote: »

I'm not ignoring this question, I just don't want to reveal personal information online.

It's based on working in the IT sector and energy industry that I know this. Not on any online conspiracy theory.

One company controls privileged access management accross the majority of companies and organisations in the Energy and Financial Markets.

And which company is that?

SlowBlowin

NaFirinne wrote: »

I'm not ignoring this question, I just don't want to reveal personal information online.


It's based on working in the IT sector and energy industry that I know this. Not on any online conspiracy theory.


One company controls privileged access management accross the majority of companies and organisations in the Energy and Financial Markets.

I dont understand this, are you saying that all the independent energy companies networks are controlled by a third party, or are you referring to internet based traffic going though a centralised controlled firewall, or just that they use the same security suite to manage privileged users ? Can you add more to your inside scoop as it really does not make sense to me (I spent over 30 years supplying our security software to government and defence, but maybe I am out of touch now)..

snowcat

Dohnjoe wrote: »

99.992% of fully vaccinated people have dodged COVID, CDC data shows
https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/04/99-992-of-fully-vaccinated-people-have-dodged-covid-cdc-data-shows/

According to conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers (same thing really) we should be terrified of these vaccines (and obviously not the disease it tackles that has killed 3 million people)

Im not an anti vaxxer or pro vaxxer. I certainly am a healthy eater who embraces organic produce and non gmo foods. I dont agree with gm foodstuffs even though the regulatory authorities have said they are 'safe'. I also dont agree with the use of weedkillers in food production even though they have been declared 'safe'. I dont agree with 'sunscreen' with toxic chemicals been declared as ''safe'. Why would i go against my ethos and embrace a gmo drug that has been declared as 'safe'.

NaFirinne

NaFirinne wrote: »

There are lots of information out there about a giant global conspiracy. I think actually he problem is calling it a conspiracy at this stage when its openly talked about it.



What I see is insanely wealthy Individuals, coporate giants and International Organisations conspiring to change the world to there vision of how they want the world to be and implementing systems so they can control everyone individually in order to get them to comply with there vision of how they want the world to be.



Look at vaccine passport for instance which is just a copy of the Chinese social credit system software. China even petitioned the WHO to be allow administer this system.



We have the weforum openly talking about the Great Reset. We have the Spars document which all you have to do is change the dates and the name and it's almost word for word what's going on with covid at the moment.


The whole covid thing was years in planning. The western world governments are obviously scripted.



They have being running drills for a world pandemic for years and how they can use that too revise laws.




Just look and operation Lockstep, event 201, crimson contagen and Spars 2025 - 2028.


I'm not the one writing these, there all out there for plain view. And the conclusion that I come from all these is that there was a lot of preparation being done around a world pandemic and using that to introduce new laws to further monitor and control people under the guise that it they will allow you to get some of your "freedoms back"

What the world is going through now is almost identical to the pandemic described in Event 201.

Do you think SPARS is the one "that will get people's attention this time"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJm5EN2lvqE

Or do you think it's a potential future cyber attack Schwab warned about last year and which will be simulated for in a couple of months time?

King Mob

King Mob wrote: »

You too have also ignored my questions. You have admitted you cannot explain what measures will be permanent or why.

So since now all the posting conspiracy theorists have admitted this, and seem completely unwilling to explain why they still hold to a conspiracy they can't explain, is there any point to this thread?

Why are you on it 24/7 if you're questioning whether there's a point to it?

NaFirinne

NaFirinne wrote: »

The vaccine passports will start being introduced this year - although the might take different names in various countries. People will be coerced into using this system and how long it will take to get everyone on board - probably another 1 - 2 years.


People using the vaccine passports and showing an all clear status on the app won't have to wear the Masks or confirm to social distancing. Those refusing the app or not showing clear will have to wear masks, and conform to whatever isolation or social distancing as required.


The pandemic will continue on with further more severe strains poping up which will require everyone to become re-vaccinated every year to six months. Either that or there will be another more severe pandemic arising, combined possibly on a hack on the Global financial systems and Energy industry.


The vaccine passport will be morphing into the social credit system towards the end of the pandemic around 2023.


on another note we will start seeing more of the medium term side effects of the vaccines around 2022 and this will continue into the years to come.

I'm not so sure about not having to wear the mask. I think it will be vaccine passport + mask.