All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

Mr. Karate

Dohnjoe wrote: »

We do know. They are to reduce the virus.

So why are Texas' numbers dropping after doing away with their lockdowns and masks a few weeks ago while States [and Countries like us] with heavy restrictions seeing increases?

King Mob

Mr. Karate wrote: »

So why are Texas' numbers dropping after doing away with their lockdowns and masks a few weeks ago while States [and Countries like us] with heavy restrictions seeing increases?

Ok. Let's pretend that this is true and indicates that the lockdowns don't work.

What's the real reason for them?
Which measures are going to be permanent and how will they benefit the people behind this global conspiracy? Please be specific.

Also do you believe that Texas alone is not part of this global conspiracy?

Dohnjoe

Mr. Karate wrote: »

So why are Texas' numbers dropping after doing away with their lockdowns and masks a few weeks ago while States [and Countries like us] with heavy restrictions seeing increases?

Masks and restrictions aren't sufficient if people don't adhere to them. We also have vaccines in the mix now, some areas are more vaccinated than others.

What is your explanation?

Mr. Karate

King Mob wrote: »

Ok. Let's pretend that this is true

It is true.

Dohnjoe

Mr. Karate wrote: »

It is true.

Why do you address that one part, and not answer any of the questions?

Perhaps it's a genuine question, but these threads are chock full of posters "not getting" straightforward stuff about the pandemic in order to hint there's "something going on" that they can't detail properly.

Why do you think some countries with similar mask rules have far higher incidents of the disease than others? what is your explanation for that..

robinph

Mr. Karate wrote: »

It is true.

What are your examples of countries with restrictions in place for the last few months and cases rising to compare with Texas?

You suggested Ireland in your comment, but don't see a rise in numbers of cases or deaths.

eddie73

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Why do you address that one part, and not answer any of the questions?

Perhaps it's a genuine question, but these threads are chock full of posters "not getting" straightforward stuff about the pandemic in order to hint there's "something going on" that they can't detail properly.

Why do you think some countries with similar mask rules have far higher incidents of the disease than others? what is your explanation for that..

Higher population densities?

Also, possibly more people were tested in country A as opposed to country B.

It would be more reflective to look at countries icu admissions to get an angle on the prevalence of the disease for the above reason.

Dohnjoe

eddie73 wrote: »

Higher population densities?

Also, possibly more people were tested in country A as opposed to country B.

It would be more reflective to look at countries icu admissions to get an angle on the prevalence of the disease for the above reason.

Indeed, different population densities, different vaccination levels, different adherence to the rules, difference between the rules themselves, different waves of infection, etc

There are a lot of factors, but overall it's quite straightforward

There are also the different waves, which countries are experiencing at different times. Some countries are at high points, others at low points in those waves. As more people are vaccinated, these waves will have lesser effects.

But this is the conspiracy forum, when posters come in here "not getting something", more often than not there's an ulterior motive for it.

King Mob

Mr. Karate wrote: »

It is true.

Ok. You believe that. That's fine.

So could you please address the rest of my post.

If what you say is true, why do you have to edit out and ignore the rest of my post?
If what you believe is true, why do you have to run away from points?

PintOfView

Mr. Karate wrote: »

So why are Texas' numbers dropping after doing away with their lockdowns and masks a few weeks ago while States [and Countries like us] with heavy restrictions seeing increases?

Respiratory viruses transmit much better indoors, and even better when there is little ventilation / fresh air in the room.

Texas - due to their weather, will have much more outdoor eating and drinking, for most of the year,
with windows & doors open more, better ventilation, etc., than Ireland (at least up to now)

Here are the temps in Houston Texas for week starting Fri 9 April (temperatures - 4am / 4pm each day)
Fri = 21c/ 28c (9th Apr)
Sat = 15c / 28c
Sun = 19c / 29c
Mon = 22c / 28c
Tue = 22c / 29c
Wed = 19c / 29c
Thu = 17c / 26c
Fri = 16c / 26c

Re "States [and Countries like us] with heavy restrictions seeing increases"

We have not seen increases with restrictions,
instead we saw dramatic decreases since Dec/Jan of this year, after locking down,
and last year we saw a fast decrease in April & May after we locked down.

silliussoddius

I did see an article recently about Texas not experiencing a spike after opening up. The way the virus spreads and how it affects people differently etc seems to be real
sh1tty lottery.

PintOfView

silliussoddius wrote: »

I did see an article recently about Texas not experiencing a spike after opening up. The way the virus spreads and how it affects people differently etc seems to be real
sh1tty lottery.

Down the road, when the dust settles a bit, we'll probably get better analysis
on the (apparently) different results in different places (California vs Texas, for eg).

It's hard to see how lock downs wouldn't reduce cases, and consequent deaths, and
it'll be interesting to see what explanations eventually appear (once politics is left out of it).

In the meantime, if things continue as they're looking,
the vaccines should completely change the game in our part of the world,
and hopefully they'll remain reasonably effective against new variants, etc.

NaFirinne

There are still unknown risks to messenger RNA vaccines on the medium to long term.

Who knows if they will really be effective in the long term or not.

EyesClosed

NaFirinne wrote: »

There are still unknown risks to messenger RNA vaccines on the medium to long term.

Who knows if they will really be effective in the long term or not.

What does this have to do with all covid measures being permanent?

NaFirinne

EyesClosed wrote: »

What does this have to do with all covid measures being permanent?

People are seeing these vaccines as a way of getting out of lockdowns and stopping the spread of covid.



This remains to be seen if it actually the case.


I don't see the Governement ever relenting on digital certifications for vaccines once it's been introduced

Fighting Tao

NaFirinne wrote: »

People are seeing these vaccines as a way of getting out of lockdowns and stopping the spread of covid.



This remains to be seen if it actually the case.


I don't see the Governement ever relenting on digital certifications for vaccines once it's been introduced

So restrictions aren’t permanent because they are being lifted due to people getting vaccinated. Glad we agree!

Dohnjoe

NaFirinne wrote: »

I don't see the Governement ever relenting on digital certifications for vaccines once it's been introduced

If I recall correctly, you believe Covid is being used to install a one world government, so I don't see you relenting on making endless paranoid claims about the pandemic

Timberrrrrrrr

NaFirinne wrote: »

People are seeing these vaccines as a way of getting out of lockdowns and stopping the spread of covid.



This remains to be seen if it actually the case.


I don't see the Governement ever relenting on digital certifications for vaccines once it's been introduced

What's to see? It's happening, do you not watch the news?

EyesClosed

NaFirinne wrote: »

People are seeing these vaccines as a way of getting out of lockdowns and stopping the spread of covid.



This remains to be seen if it actually the case.


I don't see the Governement ever relenting on digital certifications for vaccines once it's been introduced

But restrictions are lifting as the vaccine is proving to work?

How does that show all covid measures will be permanent forever?

runawaybishop

NaFirinne wrote: »

There are still unknown risks to messenger RNA vaccines on the medium to long term.

Who knows if they will really be effective in the long term or not.

You could say that about literally every new medicine.

You are just trying to cast doubt on these vaccines because you want to believe they are being brought in for nefarious purposes. Evidence and science is irrelevant to you apparantly.

PintOfView

NaFirinne wrote: »

There are still unknown risks to messenger RNA vaccines on the medium to long term.

You could say that, however so far no significant side effects have shown up,
and longer term side effects of medicines are usually associated with prolonged use
which doesn't really apply in this case

On the other hand, we do know there are very real risks from the actual virus itself.

See here for a comparison of risks between various diseases, and their vaccines
https://ww2.health.wa.gov.au/Articles/A_E/Comparisons-of-the-effects-of-diseases-and-the-side-effects-of-vaccines

NaFirinne wrote: »

Who knows if they will really be effective in the long term or not.

Yes, of course, we can't tell the future, however their clinical trials showed success,
and the evidence so far from Israel and the UK seem to indicate real effectiveness.
Would you suggest we not try at all?

NaFirinne wrote: »

People are seeing these vaccines as a way of getting out of lockdowns and stopping the spread of covid.
This remains to be seen if it actually the case.
I don't see the Governement ever relenting on digital certifications for vaccines once it's been introduced

Vaccine passports have a certain logic.
However they are not in existence yet, and there are many
challenges to implementing either a paper or digital scheme.

If such a scheme did materialise what use would it be to the government
(assuming they are malign!) that you carry something that verifies
you either had covid, or have been vaccinated?

King Mob

NaFirinne wrote: »

There are still unknown risks to messenger RNA vaccines on the medium to long term.

Who knows if they will really be effective in the long term or not.

What risks specifically are you concerned about?
Otherwise this claim is just vague scaremongering.

ShatterAlan

Fighting Tao wrote: »

So restrictions aren’t permanent because they are being lifted due to people getting vaccinated. Glad we agree!

Do you believe in bodily integrity?


How will you treat people who don't wish to be vaccinated?

ShatterAlan

Dohnjoe wrote: »

If I recall correctly, you believe Covid is being used to install a one world government, so I don't see you relenting on making endless paranoid claims about the pandemic

Let's just say that COVID is NOT to install a OWG.



Is it ok then to refuse a vaccine? Does one still have a choice? Or do you subscribe to the school of thought that people should not be allowed a choice?

ShatterAlan

runawaybishop wrote: »

You could say that about literally every new medicine.

You are just trying to cast doubt on these vaccines because you want to believe they are being brought in for nefarious purposes. Evidence and science is irrelevant to you apparantly.

Would you trust me if I had an injection of water into my arm and then had a little certificate saying I was vaccinated?

NaFirinne

Looks like even those not vaccinated will be getting some of it's side effects according to this report -

Pfizer admits in its own mRNA document that NON-vaccinated can be EXPOSED to the vaccine’s spike proteins by INHALATION or SKIN CONTACT

https://blazingpress.com/pfizer-admits-in-its-own-mrna-document-that-non-jabbed-can-be-exposed-to-the-jabs-spike-proteins-by-inhalation-or-skin-contact/

ShatterAlan

PintOfView wrote: »

You could say that, however so far no significant side effects have shown up,
and longer term side effects of medicines are usually associated with prolonged use
which doesn't really apply in this case

On the other hand, we do know there are very real risks from the actual virus itself.

See here for a comparison of risks between various diseases, and their vaccines
https://ww2.health.wa.gov.au/Articles/A_E/Comparisons-of-the-effects-of-diseases-and-the-side-effects-of-vaccines


Yes, of course, we can't tell the future, however their clinical trials showed success,
and the evidence so far from Israel and the UK seem to indicate real effectiveness.
Would you suggest we not try at all?


Vaccine passports have a certain logic.
However they are not in existence yet, and there are many
challenges to implementing either a paper or digital scheme.

If such a scheme did materialise what use would it be to the government
(assuming they are malign!) that you carry something that verifies
you either had covid, or have been vaccinated?

Why weren't there AIDS passports? TB passports? Flu passports? Common Cold passports?



On the news all you see is DEATH and people in India stealing oxygen tanks. Where the hell are these oxygen tanks coming from?


One simple question for YOU. Do you have any clue where to get an oxygen tank and if you do tell me how long its contents last. I understand that scuba diver tanks last about a half hour (open to correction) so how long do these torpedo-sized O2 tanks in India last?

Just asking.


Apparently the Venezuelans had to eat flamingoes to stay alive. How long does 50,000 flamingoes feed a country of millions? What are they eating now that all the flamingoes have been plucked and roasted? Moved on to parrots or birds of paradise maybe?

King Mob

NaFirinne wrote: »

Looks like even those not vaccinated will be getting some of it's side effects according to this report -

What side effects?

NaFirinne wrote: »

Pfizer admits in its own mRNA document that NON-vaccinated can be EXPOSED to the vaccine’s spike proteins by INHALATION or SKIN CONTACT

https://blazingpress.com/pfizer-admits-in-its-own-mrna-document-that-non-jabbed-can-be-exposed-to-the-jabs-spike-proteins-by-inhalation-or-skin-contact/

And another crack pot source that takes stuff out of context.

Can you please quote where the document says what you claim it does?
Can you point out where the document supports where it says what your source claims it does?

“It’s not a vaccine or anything even remotely related to vaccines. It’s a HUMANICIDE. And it sheds and is highly transmissible by Pfizer’s own gleeful admission.

And the self-extermination of mankind required absolutely nothing more than strangers on television re-naming common seasonal colds and flu, and thus starting a global religion.

The only thing left to see is how effective these HUMANICIDES are.

It seems to repeat the lie that covid isn't real.
Do you also believe this?

I assume you will completely ignore these points like you have with anything else that challenges or questions your beliefs.
As such, if you don't address these points, we can assume you concede them.

King Mob

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Why weren't there AIDS passports? TB passports? Flu passports? Common Cold passports?

Because these viruses aren't as infectious, transmittable or deadly as covid.

This has been explained to you before and it's very simple to figure out.

Can you provide an alternative explaination?

Also, are you claiming that there's nothing happening in India and all the reports of hospitals being overwhelmed are fake?
That's a very extreme and ridiculous thing to believe.

Fighting Tao

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Do you believe in bodily integrity?


How will you treat people who don't wish to be vaccinated?

What has that to do with the post that I quoted and responded to? If you read both posts you should get the context of my reply…but that is only if you want to understand.