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All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!
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A quick read of the mask thread will confirm that they are popular.
You seem to have this bizarre notion that masks are "popular" to wear, like some sort of fashion. People are wearing them as a precaution against a threat, like seatbelts, or bicycle helmets.
Here's a photo from Wimbledon recently, note the lack of masks. They aren't "popular" in the way you think they are.
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You seem to have this bizarre notion that masks are "popular" to wear, like some sort of fashion. People are wearing them as a precaution against a threat, like seatbelts, or bicycle helmets.
Here's a photo from Wimbledon recently, note the lack of masks. They aren't "popular" in the way you think they are.
Just read through the mask thread. Ideas are exchanged on different types of mask, I read posts about DIY masks etc. Okay, it's not representative of the population at large, but they have become normalised. Nothing unusual about that. It's to be expected when they've been required almost everywhere for close to a year.
And Wimbledon is in the UK. People keep referring to the UK (really it's England as opposed to the UK) but brianhere is specifically referring to Ireland.0 -
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Ever heard of seasonality?
You conveniently ignore the spike in flu deaths in recent previous years
Where are the flu deaths now?
Explain that!
Remember this when the winter returns and 'vaccinated' people are still dying.
We'll know for sure how effective these biohemicals are
I asked you if we hadn't locked down do you think deaths would have come back
down to normal after April 2020. Your answer above doesn't address that?
April is normally the 4th highest month for deaths in Ireland (Jan, Mar, Feb, followed by April).
In 2020 April was the highest month for deaths. How does that fit into your theory on seasonality?
As regards spikes in flu deaths in prev years, that was one of the first things I looked at a year ago.
I suspect you may not have checked, so let's look at the US experience (from the CDC).
See below for the weekly deaths in the US for the past 4 years, from all causes.
We can clearly see the seasonal effects on deaths (ie. more deaths in winter).
The orange line is the threshold for excess deaths (more than expected).
In winter 2018 deaths briefly surpassed this threshold, in Dec/Jan
However, starting in April 2020 (not Dec), deaths went above this threshold for a whole year!
There was even a spike, on top of the spike, in mid summer!!
All those deaths above the orange line since April 2020 amount to 500,000 people.
I challenge you to explain that,
and I ask you again, do you think that the death rate in Ireland would have come
back to normal after April 2020 if we hadn't locked down?
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Just read through the mask thread. Ideas are exchanged on different types of mask, I read posts about DIY masks etc. Okay, it's not representative of the population at large, but they have become normalised. Nothing unusual about that. It's to be expected when they've been required almost everywhere for close to a year.
You have invented a narrative in this thread that the government will make us wear masks forever because they are "popular". Just to fit the title of the thread. Whereas the original poster is stating we will have these measures forever because Covid is really just a ruse to usher in global Communism. The Covid invent-your-own-adventure thread
When the vast majority of Irish people aren't wearing masks anymore, what will you do then, admit you were wrong or?0 -
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You have invented a narrative in this thread that the government will make us wear masks forever because they are "popular". Just to fit the title of the thread. Whereas the original poster is stating we will have these measures forever because Covid is really just a ruse to usher in global Communism. The Covid invent-your-own-adventure thread
When the vast majority of Irish people aren't wearing masks anymore, what will you do then, admit you were wrong or?
I haven't invented anything. I believe masks to be popular.
I think the problem is that this thread, or the argument being put forward, i.e. that certain (I wouldn't necessarily say all) measures will continue, could be discussed and debated in this forum and in the Covid forum. I see where brianhere is coming from, but I increasingly find myself moving towards the safety at all costs society I believe has emerged. I can't see the high level of caution ever subsiding. There's hardly anyone in hospital because of covid relative to the size of the population and still there are huge restrictions on practically every aspect of people's lives. Even if there were no people in hospital and no cases, there would still be the concern over variants. There will always be variants, so I just don't see that caution going away. I guess my fundamental argument is that I don't see an end point. And I think that could be discussed in the covid thread. The problem is that people instantly call 'conspiracy theory' and that's the end of the thread.0 -
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