All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

Tea drinker

NaFirinne wrote: »

Also a few people believe that we should not be concenting to give up our freedoms and allow some phone application to decide what you can or can't do.


Freedom was hard fought for.



Covid 19 is no where serious enough that it warrants giving these up.


Also when it comes to the vaccines...these are RNA vaccines which are indeed different for vaccines we have had in the past.



It's only right that we need to be weary of them and see that they prove that they won't cause more damage then good before taking them.


We have no way of telling what the long terms affects of these vaccines will be.

If you don't want to give up your freedoms for liberal fascists you are a racist.
Besides, there has never been any approved medicine that had awful side effects so I don't know why you are making conspiracy theory that it could happen now?

King Mob

NaFirinne wrote: »

We have no way of telling what the long terms affects of these vaccines will be.

Yet you guys have been declaring that the virus itself was pretty much harmless and had no long term effects.

Weird that.

The Raging Bile Duct

The Raging Bile Duct wrote: »

Your body, your choice. If you don't want to be vaccinated then you don't get to enjoy the benefits that others get from being vaccinated like going to crowded gigs or on a plane but like you say, that's your choice.

"Benefits"? You mean the freedoms we already had before? Hardly a "benefit" :rolleyes: You've fallen for the whole "we take away some of your freedoms then give it back to you in exchange for something" routine.
Besides, why worry about unvaccinated people if you've been vaccinated yourself?

It won't go through anyway. Half the country is already against it.

namloc1980

Deleted User wrote: »

"Benefits"? You mean the freedoms we already had before? Hardly a "benefit" :rolleyes: You've fallen for the whole "we take away some of your freedoms then give it back to you in exchange for something" routine.
Besides, why worry about unvaccinated people if you've been vaccinated yourself?

It won't go through anyway. Half the country is already against it.

Getting on a plane or going to a concert aren't "freedoms" - where do you get that idea from?? Those activities are subject to contractual terms and conditions like buying a ticket, agreeing to conditions etc.

NaFirinne

Tea drinker wrote: »

If you don't want to give up your freedoms for liberal fascists you are a racist.
Besides, there has never been any approved medicine that had awful side effects so I don't know why you are making conspiracy theory that it could happen now?

Because there is a huge difference between conventially approved medicine and an RNA Based Vaccine.

NaFirinne

namloc1980 wrote: »

Getting on a plane or going to a concert aren't "freedoms" - where do you get that idea from?? Those activities are subject to contractual terms and conditions like buying a ticket, agreeing to conditions etc.

You think it's going to stop with only limitations on going to concerts?


When if starts effecting peoples ability to go to work and carry out normal day to day activities it is effecting peoples freedoms.

namloc1980

NaFirinne wrote: »

You think it's going to stop with only limitations on going to concerts?


When if starts effecting peoples ability to go to work and carry out normal day to day activities it is effecting peoples freedoms.

I was specifically responding to a post claiming concerts and planes are freedoms. They aren't - the rest of your post is fear mongering.

The Raging Bile Duct

Tea drinker wrote: »

Similar argument to the defence of mass surveillence, sure if you have nothing to hide you won't mind unaccountable agencies accessing your emails, txts etc.
Just because someone is happy with the vaccine passport doesn't mean everyone else is or has to be.

I don't see how the situations are remotely similar.

Dohnjoe

Fodla wrote: »

1. They all say 'new normal' five minutes after a pandemic is declared.

2. They're all saying 'build back better'.

3. Schwab writes a book entitled 'The Great Reset' and, fortunately for him, gets his 'narrow window of opportunity' to implement it.

4. A virus happens to appear in election year, which helps get rid of Trump and install Biden, thereby getting rid of major opposition to the reset.

5. World leaders ignore there own rules and that is not suspicious?

I find it impossible to dismiss all of the above as 'conspiracy theories'.

Why all the vague allusions. What's the conspiracy theory? Explain and detail it.

King Mob

NaFirinne wrote: »

You think it's going to stop with only limitations on going to concerts?


When if starts effecting peoples ability to go to work and carry out normal day to day activities it is effecting peoples freedoms.

Yup. That was claimed during swine flu too...

Dohnjoe

NaFirinne wrote: »

Covid 19 is no where serious enough that it warrants giving these up.

Yes it is. These measures are required so that we don't overwhelm our health services.

Dohnjoe

Not one person in any of these threads has presented a single coherent conspiracy theory. It's a whole bunch of people who have a fantasy that this is something that it isn't.

Tea drinker

namloc1980 wrote: »

Getting on a plane or going to a concert aren't "freedoms" - where do you get that idea from?? Those activities are subject to contractual terms and conditions like buying a ticket, agreeing to conditions etc.

Freedom of movement is a right within EU. Making the taking of a vaccine would be an unheard of condition for going to a concert.
It's the type of condition that in years before might get brought up in the UN, e.g. in a third world/ soviet union state, "non person 1234 and other members of this tribe cannot move to enjoy freedoms of the West due to it's/their detention for violations of the health act". Non persons should not have an opinion to post on the internet as it can cause non patriotic thoughts.
Phoney sounding stuff.

Are you going to say that all females of breeding age have to take the vaccine in case they give Covid to their baby? That sounds really saucy, even though in all practicality your suggestion is effectually the same, they all have to take it to enjoy their freedoms. OMG they have crack uh I mean Covid babies in those flats :pac:

King Mob

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Not one person in any of these threads has presented a single coherent conspiracy theory. It's a whole bunch of people who have a fantasy that this is something that it isn't.

What's great is they also all have different incompatible conspiracy theories and several have called the other conspiracy theories things like "obviously ridiculous" and moan when it's suggested they believe them.

But none of them would dare call each other out on their false theories...

Dohnjoe

Tea drinker wrote: »

Freedom of movement is a right within EU. Making the taking of a vaccine would be an unheard of condition for going to a concert.

And everyone being on lockdown was an unheard of condition. It depends on the situation. The current situation is a pandemic, ergo we are taking measures to stop the spread

Yet people in this thread keep endlessly trying to conflate that with some imagined nefarious plan to strip our rights. A plan they can never detail or explain.

namloc1980

Tea drinker wrote: »

Are you going to say that all females of breeding age have to take the vaccine in case they give Covid to their baby? That sounds really saucy, even though in all practicality your suggestion is effectually the same, they all have to take it to enjoy their freedoms. OMG they have crack uh I mean Covid babies in those flats :pac:

Nobody but nobody mentioned that and I certainly didn't. You guys just make up outlandish fantastical strawman arguments in your heads and then just blurt them out at any given opportunity. Bizarre behaviour - I think you need to lay off listening to Alex Jones et al.

Fodla

Dohnjoe wrote: »

And everyone being on lockdown was an unheard of condition. It depends on the situation. The current situation is a pandemic, ergo we are taking measures to stop the spread

Yet people in this thread keep endlessly trying to conflate that with some imagined nefarious plan to strip our rights. A plan they can never detail or explain.

Are we expected to be able to detail and explain every thing that's going to happen as part of the Great Reset? How can we possibly know? It's hidden behind words such as 'sustainability' and 'resilience'. Are you suggesting the head of WEF writing a book about resetting the planet and saying the world will never be the same and that there will be monumental changes is nothing to worry about?

He has even said that the 4th Industrial Revolution will “lead to a fusion of our physical, digital and biological identity”. He clarifies in his book that he means "implantable microchips that can read your thoughts". Do you fancy that?

Tordelback

Still chuckling over "the hype about TB" from the OP, can't focus on the rest.

mikekerry

Fodla wrote: »

Are we expected to be able to detail and explain every thing that's going to happen as part of the Great Reset? How can we possibly know? It's hidden behind words such as 'sustainability' and 'resilience'. Are you suggesting the head of WEF writing a book about resetting the planet and saying the world will never be the same and that there will be monumental changes is nothing to worry about?

He has even said that the 4th Industrial Revolution will “lead to a fusion of our physical, digital and biological identity”. He clarifies in his book that he means "implantable microchips that can read your thoughts". Do you fancy that?

A couple of people on this forum wold love to be implanted with microchips!

Dohnjoe

Fodla wrote: »

Are we expected to be able to detail and explain every thing that's going to happen as part of the Great Reset? How can we possibly know? It's hidden behind words such as 'sustainability' and 'resilience'. Are you suggesting the head of WEF writing a book about resetting the planet and saying the world will never be the same and that there will be monumental changes is nothing to worry about?

He has even said that the 4th Industrial Revolution will “lead to a fusion of our physical, digital and biological identity”. He clarifies in his book that he means "implantable microchips that can read your thoughts". Do you fancy that?

Calm down. It's just a world discussion forum, anything put forward is a suggestion.

If paranoid people want to fantasize that it's something else, they will. We've seen all this alarmist fantasy stuff over Swine Flu, Ebola, the 2008 financial crisis, etc, etc.

The Raging Bile Duct

mikekerry wrote: »

A couple of people on this forum wold love to be implanted with microchips!

Like who?

Dohnjoe

mikekerry wrote: »

A couple of people on this forum wold love to be implanted with microchips!

People with notions that the communists are taking over are agreeing with people that believe that "devil" is behind all this, who are agreeing with those who think it's all a plan to implant us with microchips, who are in turn agreeing with all the doomsday merchants..

These are apparently adults.

What does that tell you about the level of logical debate and reason in this thread?

Fodla

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Calm down. It's just a world discussion forum, anything put forward is a suggestion.

If paranoid people want to fantasize that it's something else, they will. We've seen all this alarmist fantasy stuff over Swine Flu, Ebola, the 2008 financial crisis, etc, etc.

That he'd even suggest implanting microchips in people is horrifying.

And writing a book about resetting the planet and pumping propaganda out about it for the best part of a year doesn't seem to me to suggest that all he's doing is making a few gentle suggestions.

And the comparison with other Swine Flu, Ebola etc isn't a valid one because the advances in technology now means that Schwab's microchip fantasies can come be realised.

namloc1980

The "elites" implanting us all with microchips and devices has been a staple of whacky conspiracy theories for decades. It hasn't happened yet so either:

a) the elites are absolutely useless at implementing their plans so no need to worry, OR
b) there is actually no crazy nefarious plans to do this i.e. it's a conspiracy theory

I'll go with Answer B Bob!

Mister Vain

As long as I get a universal basic income and a sex robot I'll be happy enough.

Fodla

namloc1980 wrote: »

The "elites" implanting us all with microchips and devices has been a staple of whacky conspiracy theories for decades. It hasn't happened yet so either:

a) the elites are absolutely useless at implementing their plans so no need to worry, OR
b) there is actually no crazy nefarious plans to do this i.e. it's a conspiracy theory

I'll go with Answer B Bob!

But they have the technology now to do it. Hence Schwab's 4th Industrial Revolution idea that will 'lead to a fusion of our physical, digital and biological identity'.

mikekerry

Mister Vain wrote: »

As long as I get a universal basic income and a sex robot I'll be happy enough.

Actually that doesn't sound so bad at all!

The Raging Bile Duct

The Raging Bile Duct wrote: »

Like who?

You, even though you don't realize it yet. Cash will eventually be wiped out and digital currency all combined into digital ID and vax passport etc.
When they eventually say it'll need to be put into your hand (chipped) to prevent identification fraud, what will you say then?

Will you go along with that just like you are going along with the annual RNA vaccinations and digital vax ID? We need to be 'safe', right?

People are trying to explain to you that you're signing up for a slippery slope.

namloc1980

Fodla wrote: »

But they have the technology now to do it. Hence Schwab's 4th Industrial Revolution idea that will 'lead to a fusion of our physical, digital and biological identity'.

We've been told for years that "they have the tech now". Tell us another one bud.

namloc1980

Deleted User wrote: »

You, even though you don't realize it yet. Cash will eventually be wiped out and digital currency all combined into digital ID and vax passport etc.
When they eventually say it'll need to be put into your hand (chipped) to prevent identification fraud, what will you say then?

Will you go along with that just like you are going along with the annual RNA vaccinations and digital vax ID? We need to be 'safe', right?

People are trying to explain to you that you're signing up for a slippery slope.

I think you hit the conspiracy bingo there - anti-vax CHECK, microchipping CHECK, cashless society CHECK, slippery slope CHECK

You won conspiracy BINGO!!!